PipeChat Digest #1952 - Sunday, March 25, 2001
 
Stories in Glass Concert - March
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Wesley A. Day, R.I.P.
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
RE: To those "that have had it"
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
larry
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: To those "that have had it"
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Stories in Glass Concert - March From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:37:30 EST     --part1_49.9424468.27f0056a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH STORIES IN GLASS   25 March 2001 ~~ Four o=3DE2=3D80=3D99clock pm   The Tower Narthex Windows ~~ The Four Evangelists   Bruce Cornely, organist     ~ The Program ~   Each section includes a reading from the first chapter of the Gospel, = an=3D20 explanation of the construction of the pipes in the stop family, and = an=3D20 improvisation.   S a i n t M a t t h e w   Matthew emphasizes the humanity of Christ. On his shield is a Gold Angel on a red field. (the red field indicates a martyr=3DE2=3D80=3D99s death)   The flutes of the organ are used to symbolize the gentle human nature = of=3D20 Christ. Flutes are generally imitative stops, which can represent = Jesus=3DE2=3D =3D80=3D99=3D20 example of gentleness which we endeavor to imitate.     S a i n t M a r k=3D20   Mark emphasizes the royal nature of Christ On his shield is a Gold Winged Lion and Nimbus on a red field.   The Principal stops of the organ are used to symbolize the royal nature = of=3D20 Christ. Principals are non-imitative stops which give the organ its = unique=3D ,=3D20 majestic sound. =3D20 It is likely that this is the sound to which Mozart was responding when = he=3D20 dubbed the pipe organ the King of Instruments. Some of the Principal = pipes=3D =3D20 can be seen in=3D20 the facade groupings, presenting a regal appearance.=3D20     S a i n t L u k e   Luke emphasizes the sacrificial nature of Christ. On his shield is a Gold Winged Ox and Nimbus on a red field.     The string stops of the organ are used to symbolize the sacrificial nature = o=3D f=3D20 Christ. Strings are imitative stops that give the organ a pungent = and=3D20 poignant sound. They can be used to represent the sharpness of the pain of sacrifice, and = th=3D e=3D20 sadness felt at sacrificial loss.       S a i n t J o h n=3D20   John emphasizes the divinity of Christ. On his shield is a Gold Eagle and Nimbus on a blue* field.=3D20 (*the manner of his death is not known)   The reed stops of the organ with their fiery tone are used to symbolize = the=3D20 divine nature of Christ. They are at once imitative and unique to = organ=3D20 colour, and their brilliance and variety can be used to represent the fire = o=3D f=3D20 the Holy Spirit and the=3D20 many unique ways in which God speaks to us.   ~~~     Specifications of the Organ Grouped by =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cfamilies of = tone=3DE2=3D80=3D9D   FLUTE Hoofdwerk: =3D20 Bourdon 16, Roerfluit 8, Nachthorn 4, Kwint 2-2/3, Woudfluit 2, = Sesquialter=3D20=3D II : Rugwerk: Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 : Zwelwerk: Holpijp 8, Koppelfluit 4 : Pedaalwerk: Subbas 32, Gedektbas 16, Gedekt 8 : PRINCIPAL : Hoofdwerk: Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, Mixtuur V : Rugwerk: =3D20 Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, Nasat 2-2/3, Superoctaaf 2, Terz 1-3/5, = Kleinmixtuur=3D20 III=3D20 : Zwelwerk: Gemshorn 8, Praestant 4, Octaaf 2, Scherp V : Pedaalwerk: Praestant 16, Octaafbas 8, Koralbas 4, Mixtuur IV : STRING : Zwelwerk: Salicional 8, Celeste 8 tc : REED Hoofdwerk: Trompet 8 : Rugwerk: Krummhoorn 8 : Zwelwerk: Fagot 16, Trompete 8, Klaroen 4 : Pedaalwerk: Bazuin 16, Trompet 8, Schalmei 4     Bruce ~ Brucon502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ "Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_49.9424468.27f0056a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH <BR>STORIES IN GLASS <BR> <BR>25 March 2001 &nbsp;&nbsp;~~ &nbsp;Four o=3DE2=3D80=3D99clock pm <BR> <BR>The Tower Narthex Windows &nbsp;~~ &nbsp;The Four Evangelists <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely, organist <BR> <BR> <BR>~ The Program ~ <BR> <BR>Each section includes a reading from the first chapter of the Gospel, = an=3D =3D20 <BR>explanation of the construction of the pipes in the stop family, and = an=3D20 <BR>improvisation. <BR> <BR>S a i n t &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;M a t t h e w <BR> <BR>Matthew emphasizes the humanity of Christ. <BR>On his shield is a Gold Angel on a red field. <BR>(the red field indicates a martyr=3DE2=3D80=3D99s death) <BR> <BR>The flutes of the organ are used to symbolize the gentle human nature = of=3D =3D20 <BR>Christ. &nbsp;Flutes are generally imitative stops, which can = represent=3D20=3D Jesus=3DE2=3D80=3D99=3D20 <BR>example of gentleness which we endeavor to imitate. <BR> <BR> <BR>S a i n t &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;M a r k=3D20 <BR> <BR>Mark emphasizes the royal nature of Christ <BR>On his shield is a Gold Winged Lion <BR> and Nimbus on a red field. <BR> <BR>The Principal stops of the organ are used to symbolize the royal = nature=3D20=3D of=3D20 <BR>Christ. &nbsp;&nbsp;Principals are non-imitative stops which give the = or=3D gan its unique,=3D20 <BR>majestic sound. &nbsp; <BR>It is likely that this is the sound to which Mozart was responding = when=3D20=3D he=3D20 <BR>dubbed the pipe organ the King of Instruments. &nbsp;Some of the = Princip=3D al &nbsp;pipes=3D20 <BR>can be seen in=3D20 <BR>the facade groupings, presenting a regal appearance.=3D20 <BR> <BR> <BR>S a i n t &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;L u k e <BR> <BR>Luke emphasizes the sacrificial nature of Christ. <BR>On his shield is a Gold Winged Ox <BR>and Nimbus on a red field. <BR> <BR> <BR>The string stops of the organ are used to symbolize the sacrificial = natu=3D re of=3D20 <BR>Christ. &nbsp;&nbsp;Strings are imitative stops that give the organ a = pu=3D ngent and=3D20 <BR>poignant sound. <BR>They can be used to represent the sharpness of the pain of sacrifice, = an=3D d the=3D20 <BR>sadness felt at sacrificial loss. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>S a i n t &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;J o h n=3D20 <BR> <BR>John emphasizes the divinity of Christ. <BR>On his shield is a Gold Eagle <BR> and Nimbus on a blue* field.=3D20 <BR>(*the manner of his death is not known) <BR> <BR>The reed stops of the organ with their fiery tone are used to = symbolize=3D20=3D the=3D20 <BR>divine nature of Christ. &nbsp;&nbsp;They are at once imitative and = uniq=3D ue to organ=3D20 <BR>colour, and their brilliance and variety can be used to represent the = fi=3D re of=3D20 <BR>the Holy Spirit and the=3D20 <BR>many unique &nbsp;ways in which God speaks to us. <BR> <BR>~~~ <BR> <BR> <BR>Specifications of the Organ Grouped by =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cfamilies of = tone=3DE2=3D80=3D =3D9D <BR> <BR>FLUTE <BR>Hoofdwerk: &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>Bourdon 16, Roerfluit 8, Nachthorn 4, Kwint 2-2/3, Woudfluit 2, = Sesquial=3D ter II <BR>: <BR>Rugwerk: &nbsp;Gedekt 8, Spitsfluit 4 <BR>: <BR>Zwelwerk: &nbsp;Holpijp 8, Koppelfluit 4 <BR>: <BR>Pedaalwerk: &nbsp;Subbas 32, Gedektbas 16, Gedekt 8 <BR>: <BR>PRINCIPAL <BR>: <BR>Hoofdwerk: &nbsp;Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, &nbsp;Mixtuur V <BR>: <BR>Rugwerk: &nbsp; <BR>Praestant 8, Octaaf 4, Nasat 2-2/3, Superoctaaf 2, Terz 1-3/5, = Kleinmixt=3D uur=3D20 <BR>III=3D20 <BR>: <BR>Zwelwerk: <BR>Gemshorn 8, Praestant 4, Octaaf 2, Scherp V <BR>: <BR>Pedaalwerk: &nbsp;Praestant 16, Octaafbas 8, Koralbas 4, Mixtuur IV <BR>: <BR>STRING <BR>: <BR>Zwelwerk: &nbsp;Salicional 8, Celeste 8 &nbsp;&nbsp;tc <BR>: <BR>REED <BR>Hoofdwerk: &nbsp;Trompet 8 <BR>: <BR>Rugwerk: &nbsp;Krummhoorn 8 <BR>: <BR>Zwelwerk: &nbsp;Fagot 16, Trompete 8, Klaroen 4 <BR>: <BR>Pedaalwerk: &nbsp;Bazuin 16, Trompet 8, Schalmei 4 <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D5 FAMILY=3D3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D3D"T=3D empus Sans ITC" LANG=3D3D"0"><I>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ = &nbsp;</=3D FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Calisto MT"=3D20=3D LANG=3D3D"0">Brucon502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D5 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Calist=3D o MT" LANG=3D3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ "Haruffaroo,=3D20=3D Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502</=3D FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" L=3D ANG=3D3D"0"></I> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/<=3D /FONT></HTML>   --part1_49.9424468.27f0056a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Wesley A. Day, R.I.P. From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:41:10 EST     --part1_40.94ca2e3.27f00646_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Colleagues: Wesley A. Day, former national treasurer of the AGO and Organist / Choirmaster of St. Mark's Church Philadelphia, PA past away last Thursday = or Friday. The funeral is at St. Mark's 1625 Locust Street Philadelphia, PA = on Tuesday, March 28 at 3:00pm, Low Mass. Doug Tester is playing the service. = Wesley's ashes will be interred at St. Mark's. John Gamel   --part1_40.94ca2e3.27f00646_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear Colleagues: <BR>Wesley A. Day, former national treasurer of the AGO and Organist / <BR>Choirmaster of St. Mark's Church Philadelphia, PA &nbsp;past away last = Thursday or <BR>Friday. &nbsp;The funeral is at St. Mark's 1625 Locust Street = Philadelphia, PA on <BR>Tuesday, March 28 at 3:00pm, Low Mass. Doug Tester is playing the = service. &nbsp; <BR>Wesley's ashes will be interred at St. Mark's. <BR>John Gamel <BR> </FONT></HTML>   --part1_40.94ca2e3.27f00646_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:53:14 -0500   Hi folks -   A church I'm marginally affiliated with is still trying to replace the = ugly old and dingy drapes that hang in front of the chamber openings.   This is a 1960's-era Moller, split chancel. The organ doesn't get out = well into the nave, but anybody in the chancel gets an earful. Given the mixtures on this instrument, it's fine that some of the sound gets lost in =   the fabric.   Anyway, they're ditching MY suggestion - to make the pipework and the shades cosmetically appealing and leave it open - and they want to put something ELSE up there.   I had given them some samples of stereo-speaker material from a company in =   Brooklyn when this went 'round in their committee the *last* time.   Are there other suggestions? Other ideas I can put before them?   My thanks. If this is considered off-topic for this list, please reply privately.   --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:34:54 -0500   Dear Shirley & Friends,   First of all, stereo speaker cloth can leave a subliminal suggestion to that group deciding the future of that organ, that speaker 'stuff' solves a lot of problems! (Some pipe organs look like bad plumbing)   ...And if those mixtures pierce.. the DRAPES may have saved that organ. BYW Radio City had drapes on the chambers until the 60s, when the painters removed them.   That organ sounded much better afterward, and I heard both 'before and after', however let us bring this back on topic to the REAL organ which as I hope you all know by now resides in that holy of holies in Montreal..   say three times and repeat...   Schmidt Oratory   Schmidt Oratory   Schmidt Oratory       You may sleep now...                           Shirley wrote: > > Hi folks - > > A church I'm marginally affiliated with is still trying to replace the = ugly > old and dingy drapes that hang in front of the chamber openings. > > This is a 1960's-era Moller, split chancel. The organ doesn't get out = well > into the nave, but anybody in the chancel gets an earful. Given the > mixtures on this instrument, it's fine that some of the sound gets lost = in > the fabric. > > Anyway, they're ditching MY suggestion - to make the pipework and the > shades cosmetically appealing and leave it open - and they want to put > something ELSE up there. > > I had given them some samples of stereo-speaker material from a company = in > Brooklyn when this went 'round in their committee the *last* time. > > Are there other suggestions? Other ideas I can put before them? > > My thanks. If this is considered off-topic for this list, please reply > privately. > > --Shirley > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:42:33 EST   In a message dated 3/25/01 9:53:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, pnst@earthlink.net writes:   << I had given them some samples of stereo-speaker material from a company = in Brooklyn when this went 'round in their committee the *last* time. Are there other suggestions? Other ideas I can put before them? >> The Mellotone company makes a wide variety of 'Acoustical Fabrics'. http://www.wendellfabrics.com/mellotone   Good luck:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: RE: To those "that have had it" From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:18:58 -0500     Wayne,   Yes, I've worked for churches where this happened too. My last church was particularly frustrating. The Pastor was obsessed with things being fast. The hymns were never fast enough. One day as I was there practicing, he came in to take up the issue again. I p[layed a little 3/4 time hymntune = in a nice snappy 1, making it sound more like a merry-go-round piece than a hymn. Guess what, it STILL wasn't fast enough. To make things worse, he wore a mic. on Sunday mornings, so he felt it was his duty to "push" = things along. Some people followed him, some followed me. We were seldom together. Eventually, I had enough, and applied for, and got, a choir directing job much closer to my hoime, and with my own denomination (Moravian).   I was sad to leave, though. I was right out of college, and the church = was a nice little place, with nice people in the choir and cong. They had a nice little 7-rank pipe organ which was very flexible. This job was = really good for me, and hadf i been able to stay, i would have grown a lot.   About 5 years after leaving, I went to church with my grandma. They were between pastors. Guess who was the fill-in on this particular day? Him! Pastor Faster himself. when we went through the greeting line after, we chatted a bit, but he did not remember me. I had to remind him that I was his organiost for a while.   Best Wishes,   Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:15:58 -0500     Shirley:   There is a company in the Northwest (Washington, as I recall) that makes chained metal mesh that is very attractive, can be produced in any color and can be hung very attractively. It is an architect's delight.   I found them in the Thomas Registry the last time I needed the info. As I recall, I first became aware of them when I worked with Moller.   I am sure this will jog someone's memory. -- noel jones, aago ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ moderator, rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com/rodgers.html  
(back) Subject: larry From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:37:48 EST     --part1_c9.e5c420c.27f0219c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   to: Tuba Magna:   Give my regards to Larry Trupiano.   Haven't seen or heard from him since 1978.   He was reported to have expressed the opinion, then, that I "had not = changed".   Presumably meaning that I had not changed for the better.   He was one of those who was considered for the organ restoration job at = Holy Name of Jesus Church on the Upper West Side. But, as far as I can recall after a quarter of a century, he decided that it wasn't profitable enough = for him to pursue the project. So, ultimately, the job went to Bayonne --- with the clear understanding = that there would be no tonal alterations whatsoever: only re-leathering and = other mechanical work.   When I left that church in 1982, the organ was about 80% operational = (albeit without a working combination action). Word was that, under my ineffable successor, the combination action was restored, but that work thereafter = came to a standstill --- when Bayonne was not paid for work completed.   Doesn't surprise me. While I was organist there, I once hired the person = who would eventually succeed me in that post to play for a funeral. He = played for the funeral (poorly, I was told), then absconded with the singer's = fee!!!   Arthur LaMirande   P.S. Sorry if I get some of the details of old New York organs wrong: = it's been a long time, you know. Can you remember all those details from 30 = and 40 years ago?   --part1_c9.e5c420c.27f0219c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>to: Tuba Magna: <BR> <BR>Give my regards to Larry Trupiano. <BR> <BR>Haven't seen or heard from him since 1978. <BR> <BR>He was reported to have expressed the opinion, then, that I "had not = changed". <BR> <BR>Presumably meaning that I had not changed for the better. <BR> <BR>He was one of those who was considered for the organ restoration job = at Holy <BR>Name of Jesus Church on the Upper West Side. &nbsp;But, as far as I = can recall <BR>after a quarter of a century, he decided that it wasn't profitable = enough for <BR>him to pursue the project. <BR>So, ultimately, the job went to Bayonne --- with the clear = understanding that <BR>there would be no tonal alterations whatsoever: only re-leathering and = other <BR>mechanical work. <BR> <BR>When I left that church in 1982, the organ was about 80% operational = (albeit <BR>without a working combination action). &nbsp;Word was that, under my = ineffable <BR>successor, the combination action was restored, but that work = thereafter came <BR>to a standstill --- when Bayonne was not paid for work completed. <BR> <BR>Doesn't surprise me. &nbsp;While I was organist there, I once hired = the person who <BR>would eventually succeed me in that post to play for a funeral. = &nbsp;&nbsp;He played <BR>for the funeral (poorly, I was told), then absconded with the singer's = fee!!! <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande <BR> <BR>P.S. &nbsp;Sorry if I get some of the details of old New York organs = wrong: it's <BR>been a long time, you know. &nbsp;Can you remember all those details = from 30 and <BR>40 years ago?</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c9.e5c420c.27f0219c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:52:18 EST     --part1_d6.426163d.27f02502_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/01 2:47:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > new organ comes NEXT week > >   Hey! Don't stop there.... what are you getting?   Enquiring minds wanna know!!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d6.426163d.27f02502_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/01 2:47:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">new organ comes = NEXT week <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Hey! &nbsp;Don't stop there.... what are you getting? <BR> <BR>Enquiring minds wanna know!!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d6.426163d.27f02502_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:00:40 -0800   Yep. We had to pull down some gold barbeque grill off the front of the chamber to remove the Surf City Moller ... ugliest stuff I ever did see (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   noel jones wrote:   > Shirley: > > There is a company in the Northwest (Washington, as I recall) that makes > chained metal mesh that is very attractive, can be produced in any color > and can be hung very attractively. It is an architect's delight. > > I found them in the Thomas Registry the last time I needed the info. As > I recall, I first became aware of them when I worked with Moller. > > I am sure this will jog someone's memory. > > -- > noel jones, aago > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > moderator, rodgers organ users group > www.frogmusic.com/rodgers.html > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: To those "that have had it" From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:58:38 -0500   Thanks for your feelings on how one should conduct themselves but you obviously weren't there.   "One should NEVER have a screaming match in front of members of the congregation."   To clarify: I never said we yelled and screamed, I said "I told", in a normal conversational tone of voice. I guess it would sound like we were standing before the congregation, but I in reality I only know of one person that actually did hear what transpired!   "Clip" It is amazing how quickly that will work completely against you. Be professional at ALL times. In a polite civil tone, perhaps it would be better to have a discussion of how one feels lack of respect for the gifts (and EDUCATION!!) that one brings to the job as a musician. If it is obvious that you can't work with the pastor, then say that you wish to resign; make up a gracious reason for your resignation (i.e.. fib) rather than say, "I can't work with you, you horse's ass!" In the end, the congregation will give you a nice sendoff, throw a party for you, will probably miss you and perhaps keep in contact".   Yes! that's the answer, we should never stand up for what is right. We should never display personal character in the face of what we know is inappropriate, or even wrong! And for goodness sake, never ever quit your job, especially if you thing you may never find another one. I'm sure the same attitude will work well with salary negotiations.   It is amazing... the amount of abuse that professional organists and choir directors have (and will) put up with. I know a lot of organists that have put up with a lot of abuse not only from Pastors as was my case and that of the gentlemen from before, but there are also plenty who put up with abuse from congregations in the from of pitifully low salaries, no benefits, and a general lack of understanding and respect.   I guess this is why there are so many churches "that will only pay" X amount of dollars for 2 or three choirs and 2 or three services. Oh yes... that's only 10 or 15 hours a week... I forgot!   But the truly sad thing is... they really have no problem finding someone to take those jobs!   I guess it boils down to this: we all have different personalities. We all choose to handle situations differently, we all play with our own style. We can all choose to be blunt or use diplomacy as the situation warrants. So having said that, I'm going to be polite and simply say ...... if the shoe fits!   So please don't make me out to be some childish or even hot-headed idiot by your interpretation my experience and that of the gentleman before me and the subsequent lecture. I knew exactly what I was doing in resigning and my not cowering down to the Board of Elders' ultimatum. And I had the respect of quite a number of people for doing it including two past chairpersons of the Music and Worship committee.. and myself.   Too bad you can't ask the person who foolishly stepped in and took my place about her experience there.   In fact, the job is open right now... if you want the number!   Respectfully! Wayne