PipeChat Digest #1953 - Monday, March 26, 2001
 
the Surf City ???
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: plain
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: the Surf City ???
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Lutheran Tenebrae (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: the Surf City ???
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: the Surf City ???
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: the Surf City ???
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: ....to have great music
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: ....to have great music
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: ....to have great music
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: the Surf City ??? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:09:08 -0800     --------------72B342D0863C14A22B734F9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I don't know yet (grin) ... it's prolly gonna be an A***n with a pipe interface to drive the Moller too eventually, as things are playing out .... couldn't very well go from 50 "ranks" of A***n to 11 ranks of Moller .... the old ladies would miss the Vox Humana and all the celestes (grin), and I'D miss the 32's.   But WHATEVER it is, we gotta buy it THIS week and get it installed by NEXT SUNDAY (grin), or at least order whatever it is from the factory so we can get a loaner in here.   I KNEW things were gonna go down this way ... thank GOD they have the MONEY to do whatever they (I) want.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/25/01 2:47:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > quilisma@socal.rr.com > writes: > > > >> new organ comes NEXT week >> > > Hey! Don't stop there.... what are you getting? > > Enquiring minds wanna know!!! > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------72B342D0863C14A22B734F9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> I don't know yet (grin) ... it's prolly gonna be an A***n with a pipe = interface to drive the Moller too eventually, as things are playing out ... couldn't very well go from 50 "ranks" of A***n to 11 ranks of Moller ... the old ladies would miss the Vox Humana and all the celestes (grin), and I'D miss the 32's. <p>But WHATEVER it is, we gotta buy it THIS week and get it installed by NEXT SUNDAY (grin), or at least order whatever it is from the factory so we can get a loaner in here. <p>I KNEW things were gonna go down this way ... thank GOD they have the MONEY to do whatever they (I) want. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 3/25/01 2:47:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>new organ comes NEXT week</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Hey!&nbsp; = Don't stop there.... what are you getting?</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Enquiring = minds wanna know!!!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------72B342D0863C14A22B734F9E--    
(back) Subject: Re: plain From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:07:22 EST     --part1_b6.13163eb3.27f0288a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/01 7:01:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes:     > Try plain joghurt with cottage cheese mixed in. It > makes a meal that is high in protein, amino acids and > very low in fat! > > It's also easy to make and can be eaten on the go. >   And probably comes up very easily, so as not to be hard on your throat!! = ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_b6.13163eb3.27f0288a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/01 7:01:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Try plain joghurt = with cottage cheese mixed in. &nbsp;It <BR>makes a meal that is high in protein, amino acids and <BR>very low in fat! <BR> <BR>It's also easy to make and can be eaten on the go. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>And probably comes up very easily, so as not to be hard on your = throat!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b6.13163eb3.27f0288a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the Surf City ??? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:16:41 -0500   Ah Bud..........don't you love working for a church that has money? As you know, our church is adding 7 ranks of pipes to our Rodgers 945. Price is = no object at our parish. They're even going to let me add a real horizontal trumpet......   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:37:38 EST     --part1_14.118e722f.27f02fa2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Just wondering....   Has any consideration been given to purchasing larger pipes to use as a facade. If the upper part of the opening was left unobstructed, perhaps = more sound would get out into the room while the choir would have a bit more "protection. New dummy pipes are going to be expensive, but perhaps you =   might find some old basses from 16 Dulciana or Violone type ranks. The tall, thin pipes are quite graceful in appearance, and could be spaced so that they leave a generous opening. They could be either cleaned and = left "natural," or painted silver or gold, or even stencilled.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_14.118e722f.27f02fa2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just wondering.... <BR> <BR>Has any consideration been given to purchasing larger pipes to use as = a <BR>facade. &nbsp;If the upper part of the opening was left unobstructed, = perhaps more <BR>sound would get out into the room while the choir would have a bit = more <BR>"protection. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;New dummy pipes are going to be = expensive, but perhaps you <BR>might find some old basses from 16 Dulciana or Violone type ranks. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The <BR>tall, thin pipes are quite graceful in appearance, and could be spaced = so <BR>that they leave a generous opening. &nbsp;&nbsp;They could be either = cleaned and left <BR>"natural," or painted silver or gold, or even stencilled. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_14.118e722f.27f02fa2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fabric to cover chamber openings From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:43:56 EST     --part1_e.ab7a532.27f0311c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/01 4:15:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gedeckt@usit.net writes:     > There is a company in the Northwest (Washington, as I recall) that makes > chained metal mesh that is very attractive, can be produced in any color > and can be hung very attractively. It is an architect's delight. > >   GLENDA!!!! Matching grille covering and recital dress!!!!! You'd = better get there fast before Diane hears about this!!!! ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_e.ab7a532.27f0311c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/01 4:15:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gedeckt@usit.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is a company = in the Northwest (Washington, as I recall) that makes <BR>chained metal mesh that is very attractive, can be produced in any = color <BR>and can be hung very attractively. &nbsp;It is an architect's delight. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>GLENDA!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Matching grille covering and recital dress!!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You'd better <BR>get there fast before Diane hears about this!!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.ab7a532.27f0311c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Lutheran Tenebrae (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:56:47 -0800   SOMEBODY on ONE of these lists wanted my Lutheran Tenebrae ... with all the upheaval about the organ, I've forgotten who. Please contact me ... I can either fax it or e-mail it ... I've got it scanned.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: the Surf City ??? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:54:37 EST     --part1_dd.12190837.27f0339d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/01 5:17:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, organist@total.net =   writes:     > Price is no > object at our parish. They're even going to let me add a real horizontal > trumpet...... > >   Price is no object and you STILL have a 'lectrical key machine??? Something is out of kilter, methinks!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_dd.12190837.27f0339d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/01 5:17:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, organist@total.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Price is no <BR>object at our parish. They're even going to let me add a real = horizontal <BR>trumpet...... <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Price is no object and you STILL have a 'lectrical key machine??? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>Something is out of kilter, methinks!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dd.12190837.27f0339d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the Surf City ??? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:57:30 -0500   yes Bruce......our parish has money, but we don't need a real pipe organ = to have great music. Our Rodgers is just fine, and once the pipes are added, it'll be even better. So, you thinks something is out of kilter? Nope.......everything's just fine <G>   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: the Surf City ??? From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:10:57 -0500   Hey, Brucie some of those 'lectricals sound pretty good!   BYW good luck at the Hammond Bar you're playing at in Gainsville. I didn't get a chance to send you all of that Ethel Smith stuff that I promised.   The list headers are most confusing, I hope that this remains private and that your favorite organ not be known to this list.   http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/BU/   Regards, Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: ....to have great music From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:46:17 EST   Someone (Carlo) has finally said it " We don't need a real pipe organ to = have great music." 'Tis true. I despair at electronics being called toasters. = They don't make toast - they make music - often very beautiful music. It = is always a joy to play the Rodgers in our chapel. It is always in tune - no =   matter what the temperature inside or out. The celestes are delicious - = the harp and chimes couldn't be better - the reeds, flutes, principals - everything works perfectly every time. Since replacing our 11 rank pipe instrument (which was principals and flutes and a Fagott unit, no celeste, = no trem, no expression) with the Rodgers, the singing has improved greatly - = no one has mourned the loss of the pipes (many of which were revoiced and = placed in the sanctuary's gallery organ). The Rodgers is a great improvement = over the previous instrument. Our huge pipe organ is a joy - a thrill - but I don't find it exciting = when the temperature isn't right and the reeds are out, or a critter has caused = a pipe to go bad, or the tremelos need adjusting, or any number of things = that could go wrong. For me, at least, I would prefer to play an Hautbois or Cromorne that is perfectly in tune than have to look around on the pipe = spec to find something in good regulation and tune. Except for those of us who =   are organists, how many are going to know the difference between a well voiced electronic and a good pipe organ? Give me the one that works best = and I'll be happiest with it. We organists need to keep in mind that we are performing a service for = those who pay our salaries. Do the best you can with what you have ------- and =   enjoy.  
(back) Subject: Re: ....to have great music From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:20:35 -0800   Faced with our VERY peculiar set of circumstances, I came to the same = conclusion.   I had said over and over "NO DIGITAL VOICES", and designed a very chaste = little 20-rank organ that was going to cost us $200K, recycling 11 ranks of the = Moller and the Moller console, and adding 9 ranks.   BUT, the Hammond died, and we need an organ NOW. It will be three years = before the new church and the pipe organ could be finished. It made no sense to = buy an Allen NOW, and then discard it or move it home for me to practice on, and = go from 40-50 ranks of Allen Renaissance to 20 ranks of Moller/whoever ... I think = the congregation would probably KILL me at that point ... 20 ranks of = Moller/whoever is NOT going to sound as good as 40-50 ranks of Allen Renaissance, no = matter WHO does it. And I'M not gonna want to give up the color reeds and the = celestes and the 32's (grin). Had we been going from the HAMMOND to the pipe organ, = THAT would have been a different story (grin)!   So I decided to ADD the Moller to the Allen when the time comes. Also, we = don't have to buy any more ranks, because everything I was going to add (and = more) is already on the Allen.   So I'm not a purist anymore ... so shoot me! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud   Bobmac36@aol.com wrote:   > Someone (Carlo) has finally said it " We don't need a real pipe organ to = have > great music." 'Tis true. I despair at electronics being called = toasters. > They don't make toast - they make music - often very beautiful music. = It is > always a joy to play the Rodgers in our chapel. It is always in tune - = no > matter what the temperature inside or out. The celestes are delicious - = the > harp and chimes couldn't be better - the reeds, flutes, principals - > everything works perfectly every time. Since replacing our 11 rank pipe > instrument (which was principals and flutes and a Fagott unit, no = celeste, no > trem, no expression) with the Rodgers, the singing has improved greatly = - no > one has mourned the loss of the pipes (many of which were revoiced and = placed > in the sanctuary's gallery organ). The Rodgers is a great improvement = over > the previous instrument. > Our huge pipe organ is a joy - a thrill - but I don't find it exciting = when > the temperature isn't right and the reeds are out, or a critter has = caused a > pipe to go bad, or the tremelos need adjusting, or any number of things = that > could go wrong. For me, at least, I would prefer to play an Hautbois or > Cromorne that is perfectly in tune than have to look around on the pipe = spec > to find something in good regulation and tune. Except for those of us = who > are organists, how many are going to know the difference between a well > voiced electronic and a good pipe organ? Give me the one that works = best and > I'll be happiest with it. > We organists need to keep in mind that we are performing a service for = those > who pay our salaries. Do the best you can with what you have ------- = and > enjoy. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: ....to have great music From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:46:57 -0800   At 01:46 AM 3/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: >For me, at least, I would prefer to play an Hautbois or >Cromorne that is perfectly in tune than have to look around on the pipe = spec >to find something in good regulation and tune.<snip>   ....as Ron Popeil sez, "Just set it.....and forget it!" LOL   An interesting thread about synthesizers (samplers, more precisely) are going to be replacing acoustic instruments more and more as time goes on and technology improves. Not for orchestral performance, of course, but for "non-critical" uses. It's already been happening for years. Those = big "string orchestras" you hear in movie soundtracks are all electronic, for the most part.   dB