PipeChat Digest #1955 - Monday, March 26, 2001
 
Re: the Surf City ???
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: ....to have great music
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: ....to have great music
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Stories in Glass Concert - March
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: organs in limbo
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it"
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Why little interest? I think I know first hand.
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
Fixing dented pipes
  by <Orgnplayer@aol.com>
Arnatt "Fanfare"
  by <Orgnplayer@aol.com>
Re: Fixing dented pipes
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Arnatt "Fanfare"
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: the Surf City ??? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:45:02 EST     --part1_4b.94e3ba7.27f0bdfe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/01 6:10:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = nstarfil@mediaone.net writes:     > BYW good luck at the Hammond Bar you're playing at in > Gainsville. I didn't get a chance to send you all of > that Ethel Smith stuff that I promised. > >   Don't worry. If anyone shows up they won't know that I'm playing a = Hammond. I've had the white keys covered with celery and the black with carrots, = so it looks like a salad bar! I'm covered!!! heeheehee   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_4b.94e3ba7.27f0bdfe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/01 6:10:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, nstarfil@mediaone.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">BYW good luck at = the Hammond Bar you're playing at in <BR>Gainsville. I didn't get a chance to send you all of <BR>that Ethel Smith stuff that I promised. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Don't worry. &nbsp;&nbsp;If anyone shows up they won't know that I'm = playing a Hammond. <BR>&nbsp;I've had the white keys covered with celery and the black with = carrots, so <BR>it looks like a salad bar! &nbsp;&nbsp;I'm covered!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4b.94e3ba7.27f0bdfe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ....to have great music From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:47:13 EST     --part1_35.129a0c5d.27f0be81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/01 7:17:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > So I'm not a purist anymore ... so shoot me! (grin) > >   BANG! (grin)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_35.129a0c5d.27f0be81_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/01 7:17:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So I'm not a = purist anymore ... so shoot me! (grin) <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>BANG! &nbsp;&nbsp;(grin) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_35.129a0c5d.27f0be81_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ....to have great music From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:49:49 -0500   Bud.........so what if you're not a purist anymore <G>. There are many organists here in Montreal who would never play anything that wasn't a = pipe organ, and they're really missing out. Digital organs are part of the = organ world, and we should give them their due respect. Raymond Daveluy wouldn't be caught dead playing anything that doesn't have pipes. His loss.......   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Stories in Glass Concert - March From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:56:27 EST     --part1_90.120ae817.27f0c0ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bob, The organ was built by Pieter Visser in 1994, and is 3 manuals and 51 = ranks (tracker with electric stop action, and two pedal stops on electric = action). The complete specification and some photos are on my webpage   http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/StoriesInGlass   You can skip over and visit the Beagles at Howling Acres while your there, =   too!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_90.120ae817.27f0c0ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bob, <BR>The organ was built by Pieter Visser in 1994, and is 3 manuals and 51 = ranks <BR>(tracker with electric stop action, and two pedal stops on electric = action). &nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;The complete specification and some photos are on my webpage <BR> <BR>http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/StoriesInGlass <BR> <BR>You can skip over and visit the Beagles at Howling Acres while your = there, <BR>too!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_90.120ae817.27f0c0ab_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organs in limbo From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:00:49 EST     --part1_62.d07c75f.27f0c1b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/01 2:48:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ALamirande@aol.com =   writes:     > In Quebec (for instance), the government would take an active interest = in > the > preservation and restoration of such instruments. But in the United > States, > governments are prevented from offering any assistance by the unduly = rigid > U.S. Supreme Court interpretations of the U.S. Constitution.   It's really a shame, because many of these old organs are in wonderful and =   historic buildings that should be preserved as architectural history. = Such a pity.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_62.d07c75f.27f0c1b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/01 2:48:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ALamirande@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In Quebec (for = instance), the government would take an active interest in <BR>the <BR>preservation and restoration of such instruments. &nbsp;But in the = United <BR>States, <BR>governments are prevented from offering any assistance by the unduly = rigid <BR>U.S. Supreme Court interpretations of the U.S. Constitution. = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It's really a shame, because many of these old organs are in wonderful = and <BR>historic buildings that should be preserved as architectural history. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Such <BR>a pity. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_62.d07c75f.27f0c1b1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it" From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:20:27 EST     --part1_da.3cecf1a.27f0c64b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi. I am just writing to tell of my personal experiences with playing the = piano in church...As a church pianist, I have endured much more abuse, and hurt than I have ever on the organ. My first full-time church piano position was in 1995. We had a beautiful little chapel that I just loved. The church I loved. In fact I loved the =   church so much, that I volunteered my services to cleaning the church just = so I could be there all the time. I made sure that my church was beautifully =   clean all the time...I would clean every crystal in every chandelier every =   Saturday. I would make sure that I vacuumed late Saturday night, so that = the elegant gold carpet was untouched when the pastor came in the next = morning. I made sure that the cherrywood grand piano, and lovely organ gleamed in = the reflection of my sparkling crystals that I worked so hard at and making = sure not one speck of dust was on the bulbs. The rows and rows of pews, and = the tearstained alters were ever so lustrous, glistening in the sunlight that came in through the deep blue, and burgundy stained glass windows. I = simple adored the people, and the church more than anything. And I adored the presence of God that was abundant, and felt at all times. Then the pastor left, along with all dignity and nobility that the church = had once retained, and my church was shattered. When our dear, caring pastor left, so did all of the gracefulness of the church, and its members. It turned into a mad fight for power, and all the people that I once adored = had become greedy, and mean. Finally I was asked to take over the pastors wife's position on the piano. = I reluctantly agreed to this as I wasn't to happy to replace someone who I = had loved so much. That is when the abuse started. The new song leader, who was the head deacon, would present me with a song =   list about 5 minutes before each service. On this list he had written tempos, keys, and which stanzas to play. So naturally I ran to the choir room and ran through the songs by myself, so I would know them well enough =   for service. Well, when service came I would play the introduction, and we would start singing. The whole time he would be dragging me along, and giving me = dirty looks through the first verse. Then he stops me, accuses me of playing in =   the wrong key, and orderers me to transpose the song into a higher key. I =   only did what he told me. But he proceeded to continue in this manner throughout the whole service, stopping me in the middle of 2 more songs. = I went ahead and play for three more Sundays, and then we decided to meet before one service. Well, I was there alone, and he and his hateful wife walk in to practice. = We start out, and he just cant get it right, blaming the whole thing on me. = I was just doing exactly as he had commanded. Finally his wife gets up and says "honey, give me the keys, I am going to sit in the car, I am not = going to sit in here and put up with this crap any longer (looking in my direction)." I just couldn't take it anymore. His wife was always mean to me after the =   pastor left. She would come and monitor me on Saturdays to make sure I = did not steal anything. So my parents (who then loved me) decided to switch churches, and find me = a better position. I will always have a special place in my heart for what that church used = to be, and for what I wish it could still be. I missed it dearly for a long time, but finally I have gotten over it, but still fail to find that kind = of happiness in any other church. Thanks for reading my rather windy post. But I want you to know it comes from my heart. This is an experience which pierced me deep within, and something I will never, ever forget. Thanks again, Josh   --part1_da.3cecf1a.27f0c64b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi. &nbsp; <BR>I am just writing to tell of my personal experiences with playing the = piano <BR>in church...As a church pianist, I have endured much more abuse, and = hurt <BR>than I have ever on the organ. <BR>My first full-time church piano position was in 1995. &nbsp;We had a = beautiful <BR>little chapel that I just loved. &nbsp;The church I loved. &nbsp;In = fact I loved the <BR>church so much, that I volunteered my services to cleaning the church = just so <BR>I could be there all the time. &nbsp;I made sure that my church was = beautifully <BR>clean all the time...I would clean every crystal in every chandelier = every <BR>Saturday. &nbsp;I would make sure that I vacuumed late Saturday night, = so that the <BR>elegant gold carpet was untouched when the pastor came in the next = morning. &nbsp; <BR>I made sure that the cherrywood grand piano, and lovely organ gleamed = in the <BR>reflection of my sparkling crystals that I worked so hard at and = making sure <BR>not one speck of dust was on the bulbs. &nbsp;The rows and rows of = pews, and the <BR>tearstained alters were ever so lustrous, glistening in the sunlight = that <BR>came in through the deep blue, and burgundy stained glass windows. = &nbsp;I simple <BR>adored the people, and the church more than anything. &nbsp;And I = adored the <BR>presence of God that was abundant, and felt at all times. <BR>Then the pastor left, along with all dignity and nobility that the = church had <BR>once retained, and my church was shattered. &nbsp;When our dear, = caring pastor <BR>left, so did all of the gracefulness of the church, and its members. = &nbsp;It <BR>turned into a mad fight for power, and all the people that I once = adored had <BR>become greedy, and mean. <BR>Finally I was asked to take over the pastors wife's position on the = piano. &nbsp;I <BR>reluctantly agreed to this as I wasn't to happy to replace someone who = I had <BR>loved so much. <BR>That is when the abuse started. <BR>The new song leader, who was the head deacon, would present me with a = song <BR>list about 5 minutes before each service. &nbsp;On this list he had = written <BR>tempos, keys, and which stanzas to play. &nbsp;So naturally I ran to = the choir <BR>room and ran through the songs by myself, so I would know them well = enough <BR>for service. &nbsp; <BR>Well, when service came I would play the introduction, and we would = start <BR>singing. &nbsp;The whole time he would be dragging me along, and = giving me dirty <BR>looks through the first verse. &nbsp;Then he stops me, accuses me of = playing in <BR>the wrong key, and orderers me to transpose the song into a higher = key. &nbsp;I <BR>only did what he told me. &nbsp;But he proceeded to continue in this = manner <BR>throughout the whole service, stopping me in the middle of 2 more = songs. &nbsp;I <BR>went ahead and play for three more Sundays, and then we decided to = meet <BR>before one service. &nbsp; <BR>Well, I was there alone, and he and his hateful wife walk in to = practice. &nbsp;We <BR>start out, and he just cant get it right, blaming the whole thing on = me. &nbsp;I <BR>was just doing exactly as he had commanded. &nbsp;Finally his wife = gets up and <BR>says "honey, give me the keys, I am going to sit in the car, I am not = going <BR>to sit in here and put up with this crap any longer (looking in my <BR>direction)." <BR>I just couldn't take it anymore. &nbsp;His wife was always mean to me = after the <BR>pastor left. &nbsp;She would come and monitor me on Saturdays to make = sure I did <BR>not steal anything. <BR>So my parents (who then loved me) decided to switch churches, and find = me a <BR>better position. <BR>I will always have a special place in my heart for what that church = used to <BR>be, and for what I wish it could still be. &nbsp;I missed it dearly = for a long <BR>time, but finally I have gotten over it, but still fail to find that = kind of <BR>happiness in any other church. <BR>Thanks for reading my rather windy post. &nbsp;But I want you to know = it comes <BR>from my heart. &nbsp;This is an experience which pierced me deep within, and <BR>something I will never, ever forget. <BR>Thanks again, <BR>Josh</FONT></HTML>   --part1_da.3cecf1a.27f0c64b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why little interest? I think I know first hand. From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:27:54 -0600   When I was a boy chorister at our Cathedral, I got interested in the organ because of the fascinating complexity of the instrument. But first I got = to observe that complexity because I was there.   And... I had a choirmaster who was willing to indulge that interest. He = took me through the pipe chambers and showed me how everything worked, he let = me (age 9) try out all the stops to see how they sounded, then took me back = up into the chambers to show me where those pipes were. Spent hours and hours with me, in fact.   And... I had a choirmaster who was willing to initiate the idea of lessons with my parents and willing to teach me. Not even organ until I had spent three years on the piano first. We were poor. He taught me for next to nothing. We had no piano. He spent days with my father searching out a competent used piano which my parents could afford.   And.. I had two churches with substantial pipe organs willing to let a 12 year old boy have a key to the building so that he could practice.   ------   Today, in my city of Winnipeg at least, boys' choirs are virtually gone. Only one remains and it is not the one I would have been able to join. = Fewer kids are in church, in choir or not, and those few are seldom in services but are bundled off to Sunday School. Their exposure to the organ is = limited or non-existent.   Today, in the one remaining boys' choir, the choirmaster is not allowed to be alone with a boy (or even the boys as a group), ever, but must be accompanied by a parent at all times because of the possibility of... = Well, we all know the fears and concerns. Point is, I would never have had those wonderful sessions that fine-tuned my interest in the organ.   Today, the likelihood of having a choirmaster know a boy well enough to cajole his parents into buying a piano and giving the child lessons so = that he ultimately can play the organ is remote at best.   Today, the churches where I practised so routinely are locked up tighter than a drum, with security systems and alarms. The idea of a twelve year = old having his own key and unsupervised access simply would not fly.   So, as far as I can see, if I was a boy today, it is unlikely that I would become an organist. More likely, I would not attend church at all and perhaps I would play clarinet in the school band or sing in the Divisional School Chorus. What a pity that times have changed so much in such a short time.   Best regards, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Fixing dented pipes From: <Orgnplayer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:46:05 EST     --part1_7d.12d1d1c3.27f0da5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Okay, we've been talking about cleaning and polishing spotted metal pipes...does anyone have any ideas about how to remove dents from them? I =   have a used rank that I'm using for facade pipes but a couple of the = larger pipes have small dents in them. The metal is quite soft and easily pushed =   out of shape at the top edge of the pipe, but I can't seem to rub out the dents from the inside.   Douglas   --part1_7d.12d1d1c3.27f0da5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Okay, we've been = talking about cleaning and polishing spotted metal <BR>pipes...does anyone have any ideas about how to remove dents from = them? &nbsp;I <BR>have a used rank that I'm using for facade pipes but a couple of the = larger <BR>pipes have small dents in them. &nbsp;The metal is quite soft and = easily pushed <BR>out of shape at the top edge of the pipe, but I can't seem to rub out = the <BR>dents from the inside. <BR> <BR>Douglas</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7d.12d1d1c3.27f0da5d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Arnatt "Fanfare" From: <Orgnplayer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:47:50 EST     --part1_cf.4289443.27f0dac6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I'm looking for a copy of the organ solo piece "Fanfare" by Ronald Arnatt, =   but I'm told it's permanantly out of print and unavailable. Does anyone = own this piece of music?   Douglas   --part1_cf.4289443.27f0dac6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm looking for a copy = of the organ solo piece "Fanfare" by Ronald Arnatt, <BR>but I'm told it's permanantly out of print and unavailable. &nbsp;Does = anyone own <BR>this piece of music? <BR> <BR>Douglas</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cf.4289443.27f0dac6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fixing dented pipes From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:51:49 -0500   Douglas,   I would think that dents would have to be banged out from the inside, much like you'd do to a dent in your car. If the dent is too far in, then you'd have to get the organ maintenance people to do it, or replace the pipe completely.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Arnatt "Fanfare" From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:54:52 -0500   The Fanfare from Ronald Arnatt is out of print.....already? Sheesh, it hasn't even been IN print for that long. Intrada Music Group (Anderson, Indiana) were selling it. It's part of a suite, containing 4 movements (I think), and was published in manuscript. Just because something is out of print, doesn't mean there aren't still copies left all over the place, in various music stores. being out of print simply means they're not printing up any new copies.   Carlo