PipeChat Digest #1956 - Monday, March 26, 2001
 
addendum to organs in limbo
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
IRC Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Fixing dented pipes
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Thanks All
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
loss
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: loss
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: loss
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Why little interest? I think I know first hand.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: pipe moving
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Toaster Companys
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Fritts in Princeton
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Fritts in Princeton
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1955 - 03/26/01
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
electronic organ salespeople
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Thanks All
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: IRC Reminder
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: addendum to organs in limbo From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:24:51 EST     --part1_73.c27df88.27f0e373_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Addendum to organs in limbo:   Back in the 1970s, when I was desperately trying to raise funds for the restoration of the great organ at Holy Name of Jesus, New York (while, incidentally, foregoing an salary raise of my own, over and above the pittance they were paying me), it was an interesting fact that the man who =   then occupied the position of PRESIDENT of the American Guild of Organists =   resided in an apartment diagonally across the street from this church!   In the nine years I was organist of that church: not once did this = individual ever come to visit Holy Name of Jesus, not once did he ever lift a finger = to help with our project, and in fact not once did he ever speak to me. His only contact with me throughout those years was one letter, informing me = that I was henceforth persona non grata at his magazine! (As far as I know, = that policy is still in effect, a quarter of a century later.)   I usually try to conceal that fact that I briefly (1962) actually studied with him, at his fashionable Upper Fifth Avenue church.   The priest who was pastor of Holy Name of Jesus during my years there was re-assigned in 1983 to another church: the French Gothic Blessed Sacrament =   Church on West 71st Street --- another church which had once, back in the days of the Latin Mass, had a celebrated choir of men and boys, under the leadership of the late Warren Foley. That church has a fine Casavant; but =   (surprise) word is that it has been allowed to deteriorate, under the = aegis of this pastor (who is still there, 18 years later).   His successor at Holy Name of Jesus took no interest in the restoration of =   the organ there. Although the salary of the organist had been nearly = TRIPLED from what they had paid me, said organist evidently did not push the = project either. His successors, in turn, were either indifferent or impotent in = the matter.   When the church was taken over by the Franciscon Order in the late 80s, = the diocesan pastor was re-assigned to an old church on West 14th Street, St. Bernard's --- right across the street from the famous Redden Funeral Home. = (At one time: the only mortuary in the city which would accept the bodies = of AIDS victims for embalming.) Now, St. Bernard's just happens to be one of =   those churches with a fine 19th-century organ (Jardine) that was allowed = to deteriorate until it was unplayable. I don't have any recent information, =   but I would be most surprised is anything has been done to restore it. = Much cheaper to get an electronic synthetic!   There are other instances where some attempt was made to restore the = historic pipe organ, only to have the job butchered by some charlatan, leaving the situation even worse than before!   But a few names where the organ is still extant --- just unused or = unplayable:   Most Holy Redeemer, West 3rd Street (once called the "German Cathedral" decades ago) Church of the Incarnation, West 175th St. and St. Nicholas Avenue St. Rose of Lima Church, West 165th St. (At one time, Christoph Tietze, = now at St. Mary's Cathedral, San Francisco, was organist here.) All Saints Church, East 127th St. Immaculate Conception Church, East 151st St., Bronx St. Monica's Church, East 79th St., Manhattan St. Theresa's Church, Chinatown (formerly: Lower East Side!) St. Mary's Church, Grand St.   and so on and so forth.   Arthur LaMirande   P.S. I should add: I, personally, have nothing to gain, financially or otherwise, by posting this information.       --part1_73.c27df88.27f0e373_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Addendum to organs in = limbo: <BR> <BR>Back in the 1970s, when I was desperately trying to raise funds for = the <BR>restoration of the great organ at Holy Name of Jesus, New York (while, =   <BR>incidentally, foregoing an salary raise of my own, over and above the <BR>pittance they were paying me), it was an interesting fact that the man = who <BR>then occupied the position of PRESIDENT of the American Guild of = Organists <BR>resided in an apartment diagonally across the street from this church! <BR> <BR>In the nine years I was organist of that church: not once did this = individual <BR>ever come to visit Holy Name of Jesus, not once did he ever lift a = finger to <BR>help with our project, and in fact not once did he ever speak to me. = &nbsp;His <BR>only contact with me throughout those years was one letter, informing = me that <BR>I was henceforth persona non grata at his magazine! &nbsp;(As far as I = know, that <BR>policy is still in effect, a quarter of a century later.) <BR> <BR>I usually try to conceal that fact that I briefly (1962) actually = studied <BR>with him, at his fashionable Upper Fifth Avenue church. <BR> <BR>The priest who was pastor of Holy Name of Jesus during my years there = was <BR>re-assigned in 1983 to another church: the French Gothic Blessed = Sacrament <BR>Church on West 71st Street --- another church which had once, back in = the <BR>days of the Latin Mass, had a celebrated choir of men and boys, under = the <BR>leadership of the late Warren Foley. &nbsp;That church has a fine = Casavant; but <BR>(surprise) word is that it has been allowed to deteriorate, under the = aegis <BR>of this pastor (who is still there, 18 years later). <BR> <BR>His successor at Holy Name of Jesus took no interest in the = restoration of <BR>the organ there. &nbsp;Although the salary of the organist had been = nearly TRIPLED <BR>from what they had paid me, said organist evidently did not push the = project <BR>either. &nbsp;His successors, in turn, were either indifferent or = impotent in the <BR>matter. <BR> <BR>When the church was taken over by the Franciscon Order in the late = 80s, the <BR>diocesan pastor was re-assigned to an old church on West 14th Street, = St. <BR>Bernard's --- right across the street from the famous Redden Funeral = Home. &nbsp; <BR>(At one time: the only mortuary in the city which would accept the = bodies of <BR>AIDS victims for embalming.) &nbsp;Now, St. Bernard's just happens to = be one of <BR>those churches with a fine 19th-century organ (Jardine) that was = allowed to <BR>deteriorate until it was unplayable. &nbsp;I don't have any recent = information, <BR>but I would be most surprised is anything has been done to restore it. = &nbsp;Much <BR>cheaper to get an electronic synthetic! <BR> <BR>There are other instances where some attempt was made to restore the = historic <BR>pipe organ, only to have the job butchered by some charlatan, leaving = the <BR>situation even worse than before! <BR> <BR>But a few names where the organ is still extant --- just unused or = unplayable: <BR> <BR>Most Holy Redeemer, West 3rd Street (once called the "German = Cathedral" <BR>decades ago) <BR>Church of the Incarnation, West 175th St. and St. Nicholas Avenue <BR>St. Rose of Lima Church, West 165th St. &nbsp;(At one time, Christoph = Tietze, now <BR>at St. Mary's Cathedral, San Francisco, was organist here.) <BR>All Saints Church, East 127th St. <BR>Immaculate Conception Church, East 151st St., Bronx <BR>St. Monica's Church, East 79th St., Manhattan <BR>St. Theresa's Church, Chinatown (formerly: Lower East Side!) <BR>St. Mary's Church, Grand St. <BR> <BR>and so on and so forth. <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande <BR> <BR>P.S. &nbsp;I should add: I, personally, have nothing to gain, = financially or <BR>otherwise, by posting this information. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_73.c27df88.27f0e373_boundary--  
(back) Subject: IRC Reminder From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:28:54 -0600   Just a reminder that the PipeChat IRC group will be meeting tonight beginning at 9 PM EASTERN time. If you haven't joined us before and would like to do so the instructions for connecting are on the PipeChat web site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Have a great day   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Fixing dented pipes From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:35:01 -0600   I have fixed dents in pipes with a wooden handle from a shovel or broom. Fasten the handle in a vise or something sturdy. It worked well. I haven't tried this on large pipes yet. I made sure I was at the dent with the end of the handle and rubbed it out by sliding the pipe pushing the dent out. I done this out in the sun so that the pipes were warm to the touch and then the metal would be a little softer. (don't let the pipes get to hot) If you are going to use them for a facade, if may be difficult to get them smooth enough, but I think they get very good. Be patient, work carefully. It worked for me. Luther From: Orgnplayer@aol.com <Orgnplayer@aol.com> Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:47 AM     Okay, we've been talking about cleaning and polishing spotted metal pipes...does anyone have any ideas about how to remove dents from = them? I have a used rank that I'm using for facade pipes but a couple of the larger pipes have small dents in them. The metal is quite soft and easily pushed out of shape at the top edge of the pipe, but I can't seem to rub out the dents from the inside.   Douglas    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks All From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:40:16 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3068458816_570629_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: Pologaptommy@aol.com Subject: Thanks All   Thanks again for all the support I have received from each of you, and for being gracious, admirable people.   Thank you for being such classy people.       Well, Josh, you're a pretty classy act yourself. You can't imagine the pleasure that we ALL derived from being able to offer you a bit of encouragement. Stick with this gang. I know you'll be well treated.   Alan (who's curious about your screen name)       --MS_Mac_OE_3068458816_570629_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Thanks All</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>Pologaptommy@aol.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Thanks All<BR> <BR> Thanks again for all the support I have received from each of you, and for = =3D <BR> being gracious, admirable people. <BR> <BR> Thank you for being such classy people. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Well, Josh, you're a pretty classy act yourself. &nbsp;You can't imagine = th=3D e pleasure that we ALL derived from being able to offer you a bit of = encoura=3D gement. &nbsp;Stick with this gang. &nbsp;I know you'll be well = treated.<BR> <BR> Alan (who's curious about your screen name)<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"> <BR> <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3068458816_570629_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: loss From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:45:00 EST     --part1_e0.1246082d.27f0e82c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Note to Carlo: Monsieur Daveluy hasn't had any "loss" at all. (In declining to play upon electronic instruments, that is.)   Now: there's a man who was in the right place at the right time. 1960 was =   the year; the great Basilica of the Oratory of St. Joseph had just been opened, after many years of construction, and the great Beckerath was to = be installed. Then a relatively young man of 34, he was appointed to be titulaire of the Oratory. Today, 45 years later, he is still there; and = who would believe, upon hearing his robust peformances, that he is now in his mid-70s?   Daveluy made an excellent choice in appointing Mme Rachel Laurin --- that = is pronounced Rah-shell Loh-raaa --- as his associate organist. What a virtuoso! Always gets a rave review from the music critic of La Presse = (who usually pans everyone else!).   Of course, in that church (and in most churches in Quebec), they use the French system: the organist is responsible for playing the organ. = Someone else is given the responsibility of conducting the choir. In the case of = the Oratory, this is a physical necessity --- inasmuch as the organ is = situated high above the nave floor in an organ loft, while the choir is seated at a =   vast distance away, behind the great High Altar. But even when (in other churches) the choir is seated in the organ loft, it is usually conducted = by a choir director, while the organist confines him/herself to playing the = organ.   I'm all for that system, myself. It's called "division of labour". Or "specialization", if you prefer. Rare, indeed, is the person who is both = a first-rate organist and a first-rate choral conductor. Why should anyone = be expected to be both? (As most U.S. churches do seem to expect. Although, =   these days, not at either of the two major cathedrals here in New York = City.)   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_e0.1246082d.27f0e82c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note to Carlo: <BR>Monsieur Daveluy hasn't had any "loss" at all. (In declining to play = upon <BR>electronic instruments, that is.) <BR> <BR>Now: there's a man who was in the right place at the right time. = &nbsp;1960 was <BR>the year; the great Basilica of the Oratory of St. Joseph had just = been <BR>opened, after many years of construction, and the great Beckerath was = to be <BR>installed. &nbsp;Then a relatively young man of 34, he was appointed = to be <BR>titulaire of the Oratory. &nbsp;Today, 45 years later, he is still = there; and who <BR>would believe, upon hearing his robust peformances, that he is now in = his <BR>mid-70s? <BR> <BR>Daveluy made an excellent choice in appointing Mme Rachel Laurin --- = that is <BR>pronounced Rah-shell Loh-raaa --- as his associate organist. = &nbsp;What a <BR>virtuoso! &nbsp;Always gets a rave review from the music critic of La = Presse (who <BR>usually pans everyone else!). <BR> <BR>Of course, in that church (and in most churches in Quebec), they use = the <BR>French system: &nbsp;the organist is responsible for playing the = organ. &nbsp;Someone <BR>else is given the responsibility of conducting the choir. &nbsp;In the = case of the <BR>Oratory, this is a physical necessity --- inasmuch as the organ is = situated <BR>high above the nave floor in an organ loft, while the choir is seated = at a <BR>vast distance away, behind the great High Altar. &nbsp;But even when = (in other <BR>churches) the choir is seated in the organ loft, it is usually = conducted by a <BR>choir director, while the organist confines him/herself to playing the = organ. <BR> <BR>I'm all for that system, myself. &nbsp;It's called "division of = labour". &nbsp;Or <BR>"specialization", if you prefer. &nbsp;Rare, indeed, is the person who = is both a <BR>first-rate organist and a first-rate choral conductor. &nbsp;Why = should anyone be <BR>expected to be both? &nbsp;(As most U.S. churches do seem to expect. &nbsp;Although, <BR>these days, not at either of the two major cathedrals here in New York = City.) <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e0.1246082d.27f0e82c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: loss From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:57:24 -0500   as a former student of both Raymond and Rachel (as well as Diane Bish), I can honestly say that Raymond is closing himself off to a lot by not = wanting to play such organs as Rodgers, Allen, and the various other brands. = Rachel loves coming to my home to play my Rodgers 960, as well as the Rodgers at the church where I work. Raymond may be a great organist, but he's no different from anyone else. he's human, like everyone else.   I met Rachel back in 1983, when she was organist at a church right next = door to my own parish. She was 22 at the time, and such a sweet person...and still is. She turns 40 on August 11th of this year, and we're all planning = a big birthday bash for her, here in my home.   Also, here in Montreal, there are many organists who are also the choir directors......myself included.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: loss From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:09:19 -0500   if we're going to rave about Raymond, we must mention where he played = BEFORE going to the oratory.   he was born in 1926 (where, no one knows)   1946-1951.......Saint Jean Baptiste Church 1951-1954.......L'Immacul=E9e Conception Church 1954-1959.......Saint Sixte Church 1960-present......St. Joseph's Oratory   Here's something I find odd. I've heard him play thousands of times. He = was my organ teacher for 3 years, so I know/knew him pretty well. Whenever someone plays a concert at the oratory, they always put something about = the organist in the programme notes, such as where they studied. Howcome when = HE plays, there's NEVER anything about where HE studied? There's always stuff about where he's played, his compositions, his recordings, where he taught.....but never anything about where he studied organ, or for that matter, where he was born. Believe me, I'm not the only one in Montreal = who finds this weird.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Why little interest? I think I know first hand. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:14:29 -0500   Re: Kids, keys to the church and exposure to the organ.   In my hometown of Evergreen Park, Illinois -all the churches knew me when = I was a kid. All I had to do was knock on the rectors house-door for the key or just walk in the church. I went back home a few years ago only to find some organs replaced with old Hammonds or the churches locked up tight.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: pipe moving From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:18:35 -0500   Re: Long-distance organ-moving.   Bekins did a wonderful job moving my WurliTzer.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Toaster Companys From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:24:41 EST   Hey All, I had a chance to meet with the Bishop of the Trenton Diocese of = NJ yesterday. The new Bishop is a large man who is very friendly and very = interested in youth and movement. He does not seem to have the greatest = interest in music, but started to gain some as our conversation went on. = He was an associate at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Newark at one time, 154 = rank Schantz. He told me stories of how Fox used to come and give recitals = and how wild Fox was and how they shared a bathroom in the rectory. The = Bishop never knew the amount of Toasters in the world or how many RC = joints have them. In fact, the Catholic Cathedral in Trenton, St. Mary's = has a top of the line, anniversary addition toaster, and a two manual = toaster in the front. The funny part of all of this is that the Bishop = addmitted that a true pipe organ would be so much nicer, visualy and to = the ear. He asked me if it was true that a new pipe organ might cost as = much as 100K, and I enlightened him. That was when h! is jaw dropped. The Bishop also enlightened me as to how many churches he knows of = that have pipe organs, but use electronics. OR Churches that have trashed = pipe organs for electronics. This brings me to my biggest question... WHY are toaster dealers like used car salesmen!? Why do they trash = perfectly good instruments, when they themselves are organists? Is the = money worth more than the art and the morality? I know of a 4 manual = toaster in a church in Bayonne NJ, where a large 40 rank Kimball sits = dormant in the upper gallery. Well...   -Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Fritts in Princeton From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:27:36 EST   Hey All, For those of you who have not looked into, or heard about the new = Paul Fritts organ at the Princeton Seminary, look for it! The organ is = incredible! Joan Lippincott gave the dedicatory three times with choirs of = the Seminary, guests, and a large week of organ study to follow with major = organists and builders from around the world. The organ is two manuals and = roughly 50 ranks. Check out the Seminary web page to get details!   -Pete  
(back) Subject: Fritts in Princeton From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:27:39 EST   Hey All, For those of you who have not looked into, or heard about the new = Paul Fritts organ at the Princeton Seminary, look for it! The organ is = incredible! Joan Lippincott gave the dedicatory three times with choirs of = the Seminary, guests, and a large week of organ study to follow with major = organists and builders from around the world. The organ is two manuals and = roughly 50 ranks. Check out the Seminary web page to get details!   -Pete  
(back) Subject: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:31:25 EST     --part1_64.c5dc75c.27f0f30d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I would sit for ages, mesmerized by the "clothesline" system installed in = the North London Drapery Store in Muswell Hill, London. The canisters were catapulted along the lines at what seemed breakneck speed, hurtling round corners and crashing to a stop at the cashier's booth.   The kids of today, who have never seen anything like this, or a steam locomotive at full blast, have really missed out, I think, by not seeing = this kind of mechanical technology that can be readily understood. They can = keep their Gameboys, Playstations, etc., as far as I'm concerned!   A look inside a tracker organ wouldn't be a bad thing!   Mick Berg.   --part1_64.c5dc75c.27f0f30d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I would sit for ages, mesmerized by the "clothesline" system = installed in the <BR>North London Drapery Store in Muswell Hill, London. The canisters were =   <BR>catapulted along the lines at what seemed breakneck speed, hurtling = round <BR>corners and crashing to a stop at the cashier's booth. <BR> <BR>The kids of today, who have never seen anything like this, or a steam <BR>locomotive at full blast, have really missed out, I think, by not = seeing this <BR>kind of mechanical technology that can be readily understood. They can = keep <BR>their Gameboys, Playstations, etc., as far as I'm concerned! <BR> <BR>A look inside a tracker organ wouldn't be a bad thing! <BR> <BR>Mick Berg. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_64.c5dc75c.27f0f30d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1955 - 03/26/01 From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:47:13 EST     --part1_50.134a5bcb.27f0f6c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   For Russ Greene: Oh yeah, I know exactly what you are saying!!! Could = you imagine a boy choir now in these politically correct times? I remember = being 11 and if I went near our (old then) Wurlitzer electronic, our = organist/choir director would throw all kinds of hissys until the sun came up. I somehow =   managed to sneak in to church at off times including leaving certain = windows cracked so I could get in in the middle of the night to practice. But I = swear that adults back then were convinced that something bad would happen (like =   taking away the organist's job or getting to play one mass by oneself) = that it's no wonder that very few under the age of 50 will get on an organ = bench of any sort any more, and even then with trepidation!!! Also, we just = had a pipechat without desertbob!! Where are you desertbob???   Dennis R.   --part1_50.134a5bcb.27f0f6c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>For Russ Greene: = &nbsp;Oh yeah, I know exactly what you are saying!!! &nbsp;Could you <BR>imagine a boy choir now in these politically correct times? &nbsp;I = remember being <BR>11 and if I went near our (old then) Wurlitzer electronic, our = organist/choir <BR>director would throw all kinds of hissys until the sun came up. = &nbsp;I somehow <BR>managed to sneak in to church at off times including leaving certain = windows <BR>cracked so I could get in in the middle of the night to practice. But = I swear <BR>that adults back then were convinced that something bad would happen = (like <BR>taking away the organist's job or getting to play one mass by oneself) = that <BR>it's no wonder that very few under the age of 50 will get on an organ = bench <BR>of any sort any more, and even then with trepidation!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, we just had a <BR>pipechat without desertbob!! &nbsp;Where are you desertbob??? &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Dennis R. &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_50.134a5bcb.27f0f6c1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: electronic organ salespeople From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:15:03 -0800   I'm not sure all THAT many ARE working organists ... it happens that the owners and the general manager of Organ Stop, Inc. in San Diego (the Allen dealership) all have church jobs ... but I have dealt with MANY electronic organ salespeople who couldn't tell a mixture composition from a dry martini, or recognize a cornet's components if it bit them in a tender spot.   I often wonder who comes up with the STOPLISTS of electronic organs ... the better ones can be made to sound pretty good, but most of the stoplists defy logic (AND language) ... when it wouldn't cost anything to speak of, why leave the 8' Diapason off the Swell and Choir, for instance? Or the sub and super couplers? It's not necessary to mimic the space and cost limitations of a pipe organ ... isn't that the POINT of digital organs?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks All From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:46:25 -0800   At 10:20 AM 3/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Thank you for being such classy people. <snip>   Certainly, he CAN'T be talking about ME!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Reminder From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:29:13 -0800   At 12:28 PM 3/26/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Just a reminder that the PipeChat IRC group will be meeting tonight >beginning at 9 PM EASTERN time.<snip>   Gee...I wonder if we could somehow drag Arthur into the IRC channel? It would be the organ version of a paintball war, with him as the target! What fun!   dB