PipeChat Digest #1959 - Tuesday, March 27, 2001
 
Re: "Purists"
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Adding pipes to your Rogers
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Re: Fixing pipechat@pipechat.orgdented pipes
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Re: "Purists"
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Twisting "pure" facts
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Fw: Fixing dented pipes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Adding pipes to your Rogers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Acoustical Sealant
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: "Purists"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Fixing dented pipes
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: "Purists"
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
PVA as Acoustical Sealant
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Purists
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Purists
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: ..to have great music
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Purists, Pipes, PCM and Reality
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Twisting "pure" facts
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Harmonium (was Division of Labor)
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:24:26 EST   I have to agree with Mr. Panning, Carlo. You seem to resent those with standards. "Dropping it" isn't a defense of your position, it's a copout.   J. Nygaard  
(back) Subject: Adding pipes to your Rogers From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:26:12 EST   Unfortunately, adding pipes to a gadgetbox won't increase its value. = It'll just make it harder to sell the pipes when the rest of the junk fails...  
(back) Subject: Re: Fixing pipechat@pipechat.orgdented pipes From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:27:44 EST   Leave pipe making to the organ builders.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:28:38 -0500   are digital organs artificially reproducing the stops, or are they = replaying samples from pipe organs? I ask this because I thought that the newer = Allens and Rodgers used samples from pipe organs. When I'm asked to play, I check the organ, if it sounds good, then great. I would never think that an = organ wasn't good enough for me to play.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Twisting "pure" facts From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:29:54 EST   Listen, Carlissimo:   Don't twist peoples' words around. Nobody said that settling for junk diminished your talents-- Just your standards. And because of people JUST LIKE YOU, the standards have been lowered to the point where you find it OKAY to = settle.   J. Nygaard  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:29:18 -0500   Re: Steam Engines.   Yes, they were coal-guzzlers and air polluters, but they had such wonderful deep-throated whistles! (organ-related stuff here). I get teary when I see a steam engine, AND a flight formation of = airforce planes at parades: My dad flew B-17s over Germany.   Todays kids don't know what they missed. And yes, a trip for the kids thru a tracker would open their eyes to mechanics and physics. Naw.......I want my GAMEBOY!   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:33:47 EST   I am a member of a church in New York City where the organist and = choirmaster are the same man. Great choir, all paid. Forty people. Great orchestra, all paid, all union. Nice organ, made REALLY nice a couple years ago. More donations coming = in. And by the way, the organist/choirmaster also conducts the orchestra. Why does it work? He stands up for his rights and his standards, picks the right people, and =   we, as members, are willing to fill up the collection plate on concert = days.   J. Nygaard  
(back) Subject: Fw: Fixing dented pipes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:31:42 -0500   Carlo-   If ya can't fix the dented pipe, just bang on the rest to make them all look the same. Easy 'nuff.   (just kidding)   Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Fixing dented pipes     > boy oh boy...........am I a dope or what?!? You all see what I wrote = about > this subject earlier today? I learned something today: how to fix dented > pipes. Neato!!! I guess this is why I play them, and not fix them. I > wouldn't be very good at the latter. > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Adding pipes to your Rogers From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:36:38 -0500   well, I said this to him privately, and I'll say it publicly......I never said anything about adding pipes to make our gadgetbox more valuable. = Also, calling the Rodgers Instrument Corporation 'junk' is something I'd never = do. Name calling is not my game.............   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustical Sealant From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:35:02 -0500   Re; Elmers Glue paint.   I imagine that would make a somewhat hard reflective surface, but what = about the effects of heat and humidity? Would you have 'melting, dripping = walls'?   Rick        
(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:41:13 EST     --part1_cf.432ec3e.27f165d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 3:39:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, organist@total.net =   writes:     > I would never think that an organ > wasn't good enough for me to play. > >   Your loss!! heeheehee   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_cf.432ec3e.27f165d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 3:39:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, organist@total.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I would never = think that an organ <BR>wasn't good enough for me to play. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Your loss!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cf.432ec3e.27f165d9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:44:36 -0500   well "J" (whatever your first name is), I guess I'm a pretty rotten = person. I have such low standards, I'm not worthy to be here with all you fine people. Yep, it's because of people JUST LIKE ME, that standards have been lowered.   *LOL*   Carlo (note the spelling)    
(back) Subject: Re: Fixing dented pipes From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:53:14 -0500   *LOL* Thanks Rick..........I needed that.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:04:22 -0500   oh Bruce..............you....you......you......!!!! *LOL*   Carlo      
(back) Subject: PVA as Acoustical Sealant From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:26:38 EST   I've never heard of Elmer's glue (PolyVinyl Acetate) being used as an acoustical sealant. Technically it is only partially removable, and far more effective than shellac, due to its viscosity. Filling Guastavino = tiling with sealants can take many, many coats, between eight and fifteen, and = can be very costly because of it. Because they are so readily and deeply soaked into the AcoustoLith, sealants remains uncured, or "green," deep in the material, for long = periods of time, requiring excessive rental fees when scaffolding large buildings. Usually congregations want some kind of guarantee of the results, which =   cannot be given. One cannot guarantee that after six coats, you'll get reverberation and ring, but after eight, you won't get a nasty echo and change in vowel tone upon reflection off of the hardened surfaces. When dealing with an important or historically esteemed organ in a room =   which is being changed, the changing of the acoustic is tantamount IN = RESULT to an alteration in the voicing and tonal finishing, and the perceived = curves in the scaling graphs will change drastically. Even a coat of primer and paint in a large plaster room can make upperwork which originally cohered with the ensemble disintegrate and sound brash. I have had to voice, scale, and revoice and refinish in acoustically altered rooms, and one must be careful what one does. Sometimes a = hardened surface is so reflective that it must have an angled baffle placed upon it = to redirect waves. On occasion, standing waves that would normally have lost =   energy are fully energized, causing hotspots and boom areas. That's when = the voicer and finisher must do his best to use every trick he knows.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck Tonal Director Gluck New York Pipe Organ Conservators, Architects, and Builders (also AB Architecture and MS Architectural Conservation) New York Landmarks Conservancy Sacred Sites Program  
(back) Subject: Re: Purists From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:55:11 EST   Greetings from the Salt Water Pond,   Brought my laptop to the Gulf on a fishing trip. Guess that makes me a genuine nerd. Aesthetics are severely lacking here. Five paunchy old = farts wandering around in a fishing camp hostel in their skivvies. Never has = such a mass collection of ugly been assembled in one spot. One of us bought a fishing magazine today which gives details on how to improve our catch of speckled trout and redfish. Now, if we can only get the fish to read the book........ :)   Checked my mail and found a never-before discussed thread about pipes and digitals. Gee, wonder why we never took up this topic previously? What = are the odds on a winner? Yawn.....zzzzzzzzzz!   G'day, mates.   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Purists From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:03:50 -0500   Jim et al,   I'm to blame for bringing up the pipe versus digital debate, and I appologize. I fully accept everyone's opinion, as everyone is entitled to their opinion, and rightly so. You are all very intelligent people, and = I'm very lucky to be here, among such talented, level-headed, open-minded, mature people who would never condemn someone for their own beliefs, opinions and voices.   Thanks to Pipe Chat for being so educational...........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:23:27 EST   Hi Carlo - I will join the ranks with you, but I'm tempted to drop = pipe-chat. Too many narrow-minded people here.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:38:58 EST     --part1_5b.13cb8b47.27f18172_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/2001 10:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, ResearchIV@aol.com writes:     > I am a member of a church in New York City where the organist and > choirmaster > are the same man. >   Why keep secret the identity of this person, who deserves to be publically =   recognized?   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   --part1_5b.13cb8b47.27f18172_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 3/26/2001 10:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>ResearchIV@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am a member of a = church in New York City where the organist and <BR>choirmaster <BR>are the same man. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Why keep secret the identity of this person, who deserves to be = publically <BR>recognized? <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler <BR>www.mander-organs.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5b.13cb8b47.27f18172_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:41:59 -0500   there are hundreds and hundreds of people all over North America who play the organ and direct choirs, at the same time. This person in New York = city is not unique...........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:47:22 EST     --part1_ce.1290b954.27f1836a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I are both. I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no = avail.   Instead, they gave me a 10 percent raise this year. So, there ya go.   Neil B   --part1_ce.1290b954.27f1836a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I are both. &nbsp;I've = asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no avail. <BR> <BR>Instead, they gave me a 10 percent raise this year. &nbsp;So, there ya = go. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ce.1290b954.27f1836a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ..to have great music From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:49:00 -0800 (PST)     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > So I decided to ADD the Moller to the Allen when the time comes. Also, = we > don't > have to buy any more ranks, because everything I was going to add (and = more) > is > already on the Allen. > > So I'm not a purist anymore ... so shoot me! (grin)   I've got a recording of a Casavant rebuild of a Phelpsavant in Augusta = with a Walker digital solo organ (A Celeste pair, French, English Horn and = something else - the big reed is real pipes - Oh an elect. 32's) Robbie Delcamp = playing Dupre - it is a wonderful organ and the color reeds are WONDERFUL! Digital = is here folks. Wake up and smell the coffee! IT doesn't mean the end of the = all pipe organ, IMO, but why can't we simply begin to look at each instrument = - pipe, digital, or combo, on their individual success rather than = immediately trashing something as a "Toaster."   If you must - at least use something that matches the product - "Sandbox!" = <g> and *I* didn't invent the term, but it is in some ways definitive!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:51:20 -0500   Neil et al,   I do both, and have done for years. It works out very well too.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:58:14 EST   Hi Neil --- I just unsubscribed. It didn't work - they sent a reply = saying I did something wrong, so I've written again. This is too much for me - = guess my philosophy is different. I shouldn't let it bother me. Have had a wonderful career and continue to enjoy making music, but will miss some of =   the stuff that passes through this monitor. Hope you land a good one one of these days. I'll be 65 in December and thinking of retiring, but may stay on at church if they'll have me - and I =   suspect they will. Senior minister loves the music and probably would = want me to stay. I'll just work on a "per service" basis, or something like = that - and not have to get up to go to work - but go there when I feel like it, =   and I will definitely NOT do another wedding rehearsal -- EVER!!!!!! All best regards. Bob MacDonald  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:58:43 EST   Sorry - didn't mean for that to go out to everyone.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:05:02 -0800 (PST)     --- Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> wrote: > Neil et al, > > I do both, and have done for years. It works out very well too. >   My Lord! Nothing new about doing BOTH. Heck, it did not take me long to = realize that it was much easier that way!   However, the question is does it really matter? At the risk of getting = struck by lightening, I remember several *directors* who would be frantically searching for something to sing 15 minutes before rehearsal, and getting = paid twice as much as me, and if I only spent at the most 2 hours doing my job = I would not last long!   There are absolutely FABULOUS directors who do not play keyboard and I am = not talking about them, I am talking about the people who get away with no = musical or liturgical knowledge week to week! We all know them!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:19:06 -0500       Bobmac36@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Carlo - I will join the ranks with you, but I'm tempted to drop = pipe-chat. > Too many narrow-minded people here.   Hi Bob!   Try PIPORG-L It's the original - and presently LaMirande free!   BTW the organ in Sacred Heart in Ipswich was relocated to Our Lady of Hope where it was 'dumped' near the communion rail. It was there for just a few weeks, Christmas, a couple of years ago. Barbara Owen and Richard Hill had arranged for the relocation. (And remembered those hamburgers at the Choate Bridge Pub!)   The organ is believed to be sitting somewhere in the cold closed Sacred Heart church building. A lot of the parishioners (my neighbors) don't go to church anymore. "We know when we're not wanted."   Stan Lowkis Ipswich, MA  
(back) Subject: Purists, Pipes, PCM and Reality From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:22:41 -0800   At 10:26 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Unfortunately, adding pipes to a gadgetbox won't increase its value. = It'll >just make it harder to sell the pipes when the rest of the junk = fails...<snip>   I get the biggest kick out of the "pipes only" crowd that seems to think that "all electronic organs fail very quickly". Such is not the case. Many analog Allens built in the late '40s have outlasted their contemporary piped counterparts. Good digital organs are showing similar reliability. This isn't to say that they sound AS good as the prototype, but they're growing ever closer. Failure to recognize this is simply "ostrich games" for the "purists", who are hiding from reality.   The sampling and modeling wizzes are attacking organ tone first, as it's the simplest of all musical instruments to replicate. They are, however, making incredible strides in modeling and reproducting other "less interactive" instruments, such as percussions, with amazing details. Schulmerich carillons are digital now, and have spelled the doom =   of Maas-Rowe's 1930s "chime bars". Digital piano simulation has improved greatly, as well. In the future, look for engineers to tackle the = modeling of highly interactive instruments, such as strings and woodwinds, as processing power increases exponentially.   I note, almost without fail, that those most vocal against digital organs (and anything else) are always technically lacking in knowledge of the sciences, and have usually note even a clue as to how an organ pipe works, =   let alone the synthesis of PCM sound. Thus, I ascribe much of the "anti electronic" sentiment to fear, misrepresentation of fact, rumor, and unwillingness to try new things, usually a mark of knee-jerk conservatism. This has changed considerably from 1935, when the AGO first =   came out publicly against the Hammond organ.   Certainly, the Hammond was a crude, harsh sounding device for a variety of =   reasons, all of which have been researched and documented. However, now that the differences are becoming ever smaller, such "knee-jerking" is no longer warranted, making such comments as "junk" and "toasters" seem childish and uninformed. As our own BuuD-by-the-BeacH has found out, building even a smallish pipe organ these days is an expensive proposition. When even a cursory cost versus benefit analysis is done, as =   he has found out, digital WITH pipes becomes very attractive indeed, and the sound of such a combination is hardly what came out of the first Hammond of 1935.   The facts are there for all to see. Allen is the world's largest builder of "church" organs of ANY type. All the big builders are gone, save = Austin and Casavant in North America. Pipe organs cost too much for what they = do, and get ever worse cost-wise when "retro-fad" silliness of tracker action is added. Firms like Allen are run like businesses, whereas pipe shops = are run by craftsmen, many times with not enough business savvy to last very long at all. Thus, the digital instrument is here to stay, like it or not. Those that learn about them will survive. Those that don't will be sitting at home, entertaining themselves with some foot-pumped harmonium.   It's worthwhile to note that the US' foremost organ personality, Diane Bish, plays digital organs on her recital trail all the time without complaint, as do others. You also may remember the 1962 incident where E. =   Power Biggs, playing a customized Allen TC-4, fooled most of the = attendees, including the press, at the Lincoln Center dedicatory gala. Ears have become more sophisticated since then, but so have the Allens and others.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:24:20 -0800   At 10:29 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Just your standards. >And because of people JUST LIKE YOU, >the standards have been lowered to the point where you find it OKAY to >settle.<snip>   This borders on a flame. I'd be really careful, "standards boy". Also, your ignorance of current technology is showing.....   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:43:14 -0500   I may settle for many things, and that's MY choice. One thing however, I won't settle for, is verbal abuse from anyone, especially from someone who is nothing more to me than a name that appears in my 'inbox'. Bob, I agree with what you posted, about someone's ignorance showing.......   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Twisting "pure" facts From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:51:33 -0500       Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > Bobmac36@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi Carlo - I will join the ranks with you, but I'm tempted to drop = pipe-chat. > > Too many narrow-minded people here. >   DAMN! That was supposed to be private! I screwed up by not inserting the name in place of "PipeChat" before sending. I did not intend to publicly criticize Arthur, tonight.   Stan Lowkis  
(back) Subject: Harmonium (was Division of Labor) From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:14:19 EST   In a message dated 3/26/01 6:22:19 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << the front organ was often a harmonium. >>   Consternation! Answer me a stupid question: what exactly IS a harmonium?? = Is it just a pumped reed organ? I keep reading about certain composers "Compositions for Harmonium" as opposed to "Compositions for Organ." = Should one take this difference into consideration when playing the pieces, and = if so, how should music written for harmonium be treated when played on a = plain old walking around organ?   Mandy