PipeChat Digest #1960 - Tuesday, March 27, 2001
 
Re: Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it"
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Unidentified/open mind
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Playing electronic vs. Pipes
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Harmonium
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Fw: Fixing dented pipes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
On sampling (was Re: Purists, PCM etc)
  by "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au>
Assistants- full time and otherwise
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Unidentified church/open mind
  by <ResearchIV@aol.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Mozart609@aol.com>
Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes
  by <Mozart609@aol.com>
Re: Purists, Pipes, PCM and Reality
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: Harmonium (was Division of Labor)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it" From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:24:22 -0800 (PST)   If you are an AGO member, you can file a complaint.   --- Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > Hi. > I am just writing to tell of my personal experiences > with playing the piano > in church...As a church pianist, I have endured much > more abuse, and hurt > than I have ever on the organ. > My first full-time church piano position was in > 1995. We had a beautiful > little chapel that I just loved. The church I > loved. In fact I loved the > church so much, that I volunteered my services to > cleaning the church just so > I could be there all the time. I made sure that my > church was beautifully > clean all the time...I would clean every crystal in > every chandelier every > Saturday. I would make sure that I vacuumed late > Saturday night, so that the > elegant gold carpet was untouched when the pastor > came in the next morning. > I made sure that the cherrywood grand piano, and > lovely organ gleamed in the > reflection of my sparkling crystals that I worked so > hard at and making sure > not one speck of dust was on the bulbs. The rows > and rows of pews, and the > tearstained alters were ever so lustrous, glistening > in the sunlight that > came in through the deep blue, and burgundy stained > glass windows. I simple > adored the people, and the church more than > anything. And I adored the > presence of God that was abundant, and felt at all > times. > Then the pastor left, along with all dignity and > nobility that the church had > once retained, and my church was shattered. When > our dear, caring pastor > left, so did all of the gracefulness of the church, > and its members. It > turned into a mad fight for power, and all the > people that I once adored had > become greedy, and mean. > Finally I was asked to take over the pastors wife's > position on the piano. I > reluctantly agreed to this as I wasn't to happy to > replace someone who I had > loved so much. > That is when the abuse started. > The new song leader, who was the head deacon, would > present me with a song > list about 5 minutes before each service. On this > list he had written > tempos, keys, and which stanzas to play. So > naturally I ran to the choir > room and ran through the songs by myself, so I would > know them well enough > for service. > Well, when service came I would play the > introduction, and we would start > singing. The whole time he would be dragging me > along, and giving me dirty > looks through the first verse. Then he stops me, > accuses me of playing in > the wrong key, and orderers me to transpose the song > into a higher key. I > only did what he told me. But he proceeded to > continue in this manner > throughout the whole service, stopping me in the > middle of 2 more songs. I > went ahead and play for three more Sundays, and then > we decided to meet > before one service. > Well, I was there alone, and he and his hateful wife > walk in to practice. We > start out, and he just cant get it right, blaming > the whole thing on me. I > was just doing exactly as he had commanded. Finally > his wife gets up and > says "honey, give me the keys, I am going to sit in > the car, I am not going > to sit in here and put up with this crap any longer > (looking in my > direction)." > I just couldn't take it anymore. His wife was > always mean to me after the > pastor left. She would come and monitor me on > Saturdays to make sure I did > not steal anything. > So my parents (who then loved me) decided to switch > churches, and find me a > better position. > I will always have a special place in my heart for > what that church used to > be, and for what I wish it could still be. I missed > it dearly for a long > time, but finally I have gotten over it, but still > fail to find that kind of > happiness in any other church. > Thanks for reading my rather windy post. But I want > you to know it comes > from my heart. This is an experience which pierced > me deep within, and > something I will never, ever forget. > Thanks again, > Josh >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Unidentified/open mind From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:48:14 EST     --part1_ee.13113aa2.27f1d7fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Our voluble friend Carlo, who says he lives in Montreal, won't identify = for us the church in which he so enthusiastically plays on a digital = electronic instrument. So I guess none of us will get the opportunity to hear any of his performances, when we're in town. (Which, in my case, is frequently. I'll = be there again at Easter.)   Another member, who says he lives in New York City, "belongs" to a church purportedly rolling in dough. Forty-member paid choir, paid orchestra (unionized!), generous contributors. Obviously one of those fashionable churches! Even = in New York City, I can't think of more than two or three churches with that kind of money to throw around!   I wonder what that church does for the poor?   Well, this evening (March 27th) the Cardinal-Archbishop of New York is = coming in person to visit an ordinary humble parish church in my neighborhood. (It's actually the church where I do the bulk of my practicing. The fashionable church organists won't let me near their organs!) I won't identify it by name! But I'll be going.   This church does not have a paid unionized orchestra. But, for their Spanish-language Mass on Sundays, they do have a mariachi band! Complete with drums, tambourines, and castenets! It makes quite a sound! (The acoustics are excellent!)   Incidentally, while I prefer pipe organs --- and tracker organs at that, I =   have often played on electronics. If I am asked to play in a church and = that is what they have on the premises, then I'll play it. I even gave some concerts on a large Allen in an East Side New York church (where I was serving as interim organist) a few years ago.   But I would never say that a digital electronic instrument is the sonic equivalent of a bona fide pipe organ.   My advice to a church which can't afford a large concert pipe organ: Get = a SMALL pipe organ. In most cases, this will be adequate to serve the needs = of that church. Or: buy a USED pipe organ from an outfit like the Organ Clearing House.   Arthur LaMirande   P.S. Note to Carlo: I did not "ask" Mr. Daveluy where he was born. He volunteered the information. The subject came up when talking about my surname --- which, even in Quebec, is not a common name. (Eveyone in = North America with this name is, in fact, descended from a single common 17th-century ancestor in Louisville, Quebec, and the family is having a = grand reunion there in 2003.) M. Daveluy said that in the town of his birth, = there were a number of families with that surname.   --part1_ee.13113aa2.27f1d7fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Our voluble friend = Carlo, who says he lives in Montreal, won't identify for <BR>us the church in which he so enthusiastically plays on a digital = electronic <BR>instrument. <BR>So I guess none of us will get the opportunity to hear any of his <BR>performances, when we're in town. (Which, in my case, is frequently. = &nbsp;I'll be <BR>there again at Easter.) <BR> <BR>Another member, who says he lives in New York City, "belongs" to a = church <BR>purportedly rolling in dough. &nbsp;Forty-member paid choir, paid = orchestra <BR>(unionized!), <BR>generous contributors. &nbsp;Obviously one of those fashionable = churches! &nbsp;Even in <BR>New York City, I can't think of more than two or three churches with = that <BR>kind of money to throw around! <BR> <BR>I wonder what that church does for the poor? <BR> <BR>Well, this evening (March 27th) the Cardinal-Archbishop of New York is = coming <BR>in person to visit an ordinary humble parish church in my = neighborhood. &nbsp; <BR>(It's actually the church where I do the bulk of my practicing. = &nbsp;The <BR>fashionable church organists won't let me near their organs!) &nbsp;I = won't <BR>identify it by name! &nbsp;But I'll be going. <BR> <BR>This church does not have a paid unionized orchestra. &nbsp;But, for their <BR>Spanish-language Mass on Sundays, they do have a mariachi band! = &nbsp;Complete <BR>with drums, tambourines, and castenets! &nbsp;It makes quite a sound! = &nbsp;(The <BR>acoustics are excellent!) <BR> <BR>Incidentally, while I prefer pipe organs --- and tracker organs at = that, I <BR>have often played on electronics. &nbsp;If I am asked to play in a = church and that <BR>is what they have on the premises, then I'll play it. &nbsp;I even = gave some <BR>concerts on a large Allen in an East Side New York church (where I was =   <BR>serving as interim organist) a few years ago. <BR> <BR>But I would never say that a digital electronic instrument is the = sonic <BR>equivalent of a bona fide pipe organ. <BR> <BR>My advice to a church which can't afford a large concert pipe organ: = &nbsp;Get a <BR>SMALL pipe organ. &nbsp;In most cases, this will be adequate to serve = the needs of <BR>that church. <BR>Or: buy a USED pipe organ from an outfit like the Organ Clearing = House. <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande <BR> <BR>P.S. Note to Carlo: &nbsp;I did not "ask" Mr. Daveluy where he was = born. &nbsp;He <BR>volunteered the information. &nbsp;The subject came up when talking = about my <BR>surname --- which, even in Quebec, is not a common name. = &nbsp;(Eveyone in North <BR>America with this name is, in fact, descended from a single common <BR>17th-century ancestor in Louisville, Quebec, and the family is having = a grand <BR>reunion there in 2003.) &nbsp;M. Daveluy said that in the town of his = birth, there <BR>were a number of families with that surname. &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ee.13113aa2.27f1d7fe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Playing electronic vs. Pipes From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:49:59 -0800 (PST)   May I remind you all, particularly the ones with their noses up in the air, that Virgil Fox, in the last 15 years or so of his life, toured with an electronic organ and brought the instrument and its repertoire to places where people would not normally care about either. Secondly, for all you snobs, Maestro Fox was paid a MINIMUM fee of $5000 per concert. If the light show was included, the fee jumped up a couple of thousand. Think about how $5000 would be today, adjusted to the new ecomomy.   When any of you who think you are "above it all" earn that much for an organ recital and bring organ music to hundreds of thousands of people per year, then maybe you can talk from your ivory towers. Until then, ZIP IT!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonium From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:16:30 -0600   At 3:14 AM -0500 3/27/01, AMADPoet@aol.com wrote: >Consternation! Answer me a stupid question: what exactly IS a harmonium?? = Is >it just a pumped reed organ? I keep reading about certain composers >"Compositions for Harmonium" as opposed to "Compositions for Organ." = Should >one take this difference into consideration when playing the pieces, and = if >so, how should music written for harmonium be treated when played on a = plain >old walking around organ?   A Harmonium is a PRESSURE reed organ vs what is many times referred to as an American reed organ which operates on SUCTION. The stops on Harmonium, especially French ones, are very standardized so the registrations can be noted in a kind of shorthand by the composer.   Many of the famous French organist/composers have written smaller works for the Harmonium. Some that come to mind at this early hour are Franck, Vierne and Langlais although I know there are many others. Actually many of the collections are marked as being for "Harmonium or Grand Organ". You do have to make some adjustments such as moving the bass down into the pedals they are very playable on the organ. However, you should understand the registration system of the harmonium. There is a very good section on the Harmonium and how to register on the organ in the book "Organ Registration in Theory and Practice" by E. Harold Geer. I have a feeling however that the book is out of print - my copy has a copyright date of 1957. But you may be able to find it in some libraries.   David  
(back) Subject: Fw: Fixing dented pipes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:53:00 -0500   Yer welcome, Carlo.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Fixing dented pipes     > *LOL* > Thanks Rick..........I needed that. > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:24:03 EST     --part1_9b.12c874a6.27f1ee73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 12:43:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, organist@total.net writes:     > there are hundreds and hundreds of people all over North America who = play > the organ and direct choirs, at the same time. This person in New York = city > is not unique........... >   BUT- how many actually KNOW what they are doing and, for that matter, do music WORTH hearing? Especially in the Roman Catholic Church in recent years....   Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI   --part1_9b.12c874a6.27f1ee73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 12:43:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">there are hundreds = and hundreds of people all over North America who play <BR>the organ and direct choirs, at the same time. This person in New York = city <BR>is not unique........... <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>BUT- how many actually KNOW what they are doing and, for that matter, = do <BR>music WORTH hearing? &nbsp;Especially in the Roman Catholic Church in = recent <BR>years.... <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, = MI</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9b.12c874a6.27f1ee73_boundary--  
(back) Subject: On sampling (was Re: Purists, PCM etc) From: "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:24:48 +1000 (EST)       On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 10:26 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: <SNIP> > > The sampling and modeling wizzes are attacking organ tone first, as it's =   > the simplest of all musical instruments to replicate. > I have seen many digital organs whose stops have been sampled from various organs. So I think that complete sound fabrication is not here yet = - you still need a reasonable source.   If the "real" pipe organ dies prematurely, there won't be anything for the =   samplers to sample. Also, commercialism combined with any decline in pipe organ popularity will reduce the options for digital organs. Would you want every digital organ to be a faithful reproduction of the organ at <insert your favourite great organs here>?   > making incredible strides in modeling and reproducting other "less > interactive" instruments, such as percussions, with amazing > details. Schulmerich carillons are digital now, and have spelled the = doom > of Maas-Rowe's 1930s "chime bars". Digital piano simulation has = improved > greatly, as well. In the future, look for engineers to tackle the = modeling > of highly interactive instruments, such as strings and woodwinds, as > processing power increases exponentially.   There is a further wrinkle - how much detail do you expect organists/sound engineers to include? Do you merely include the dimensions of the room, or do you enter in the materials covering the ceiling?   I also think that the goal should be more than just mere reproduction.   Finally, most digital technology (Babbage was the last, I think) requires electricity. (More of a social point here, rather than technological.)   In the end digital organs are a bit double edged - some definite benefit but also some possible dangers.   Mark.    
(back) Subject: Assistants- full time and otherwise From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:25:15 EST     --part1_83.8bf6d7c.27f1eebb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 12:48:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I are both. I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no > avail. > > Instead, they gave me a 10 percent raise this year. So, there ya go. >   Believe me, there is MUCH to be said for full time assistants! The = program here could not happen without one. And the clergy and finance people are keenly aware of that.   Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI     --part1_83.8bf6d7c.27f1eebb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 12:48:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I are both. = &nbsp;I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no <BR>avail. <BR> <BR>Instead, they gave me a 10 percent raise this year. &nbsp;So, there ya = go. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Believe me, there is MUCH to be said for full time assistants! = &nbsp;The program <BR>here could not happen without one. &nbsp;And the clergy and finance = people are <BR>keenly aware of that. <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_83.8bf6d7c.27f1eebb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Unidentified church/open mind From: <ResearchIV@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:47:34 EST   My "unidentified" church, Mr. LaMirande, is First Presbyterian. And yeah, members are made to feel that we DO "belong." Fashionable? No. Rolling in dough? No. Those are your bitter reactions. We're like a big family and believe in fellowship. We struggle financially like all churches, except Saint Thomas, of course, =   but have a great history of music making. All members get the annual report, and get to look at how much we spend on =   electricity. We just lost our greatest asset, our former Pastor, to retirement. We miss him greatly, only time will tell. You know what gets me angry? When somebody like you is yapping about great music and then insults MY church by saying that we "throw around" our money when it comes to the = music program. Yes, we're fortunate enough to have some big music donors, some identified, some anonymous. What do we do for the poor? Well, we'd have you come by and do counseling with us, or work for our homeless shelter in cooperation with other area churches, but heck, I don't want to subject innocent human beings to your = personality. And heaven forbid you should work in our nursery school!   J. Nygaard  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Mozart609@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:38:22 EST     --part1_aa.1312a751.27f1ffde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sounds like the job that I am in now. I am the Principal organist and have = a NON musician for the director of music.   Mitch   --part1_aa.1312a751.27f1ffde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><B>Sounds like the = job that I am in now. I am the Principal organist and have a <BR>NON musician for the director of music. <BR> <BR>Mitch</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.1312a751.27f1ffde_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes From: <Mozart609@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:43:29 EST     --part1_db.122eafcf.27f20111_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Jack Williams wrote: "When any of you who think you are "above it all" earn that much for an organ recital and bring organ music to hundreds of thousands of people per year, then maybe you can talk from your ivory towers.=3DA0 Until then, ZIP IT!"     I agree with you Jack, tell it like it is!!   Mitch Weisiger Lawrenceville, New Jersey         --part1_db.122eafcf.27f20111_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#800040" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Jack Williams = wrote: <BR>"When any of you who think you are "above it all" earn <BR>that much for an organ recital and bring organ music <BR>to hundreds of thousands of people per year, then <BR>maybe you can talk from your ivory towers.=3DA0 Until <BR>then, <BR>ZIP IT!" <BR> <BR> <BR>I agree with you Jack, tell it like it is!! <BR> <BR>Mitch Weisiger <BR>Lawrenceville, New Jersey <BR> <BR> <BR></B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_db.122eafcf.27f20111_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Purists, Pipes, PCM and Reality From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:54:49 -0800   In the room at the university where I teach class piano for music majors, = we have 20 high-tech electrics. I still only demonstrate on the acoustic and consider the electrics toys. But they are handy for Monster recitals. Patty B-bach   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>   > of Maas-Rowe's 1930s "chime bars". Digital piano simulation has = improved > greatly, as well.    
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonium (was Division of Labor) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:25:53 -0800   French reed organs (or "harmoniums") are quite sophisticated, and can = sound like a small Cavaille-Coll pipe organ in those great, echoing churches.   There are two kinds of reed organs: pressure and suction. Most American = reed organs are suction, that is, the feeders pumped the air OUT of the = reservoir, creating a vacuum ... when a key is pressed, air is SUCKED through the = reed tongue, rather than blown ... a curious way of doing things, since that = means at least some of the sound is sucked into the reservoir.   Vocalions (an American brand name) were pressure reed organs, and their = tone is much superior. French harmoniums are also pressure reed organs. Mustel was = the premiere builder. They were VERY expensive, even in their day.   In his "Reminiscences", Dupre notes that no less a personage than Guilmant himself played the harmonium for his (Dupre's) First Communion Mass. The harmonium was regarded as a serious musical instrument in Europe, and just = about everybody who was anybody in the 19th century composed for it.   Yes, the registration is TOTALLY different, and it DOES make a difference. = The easiest place to find an explanation in English is the preface to the = Kalmus edition of Franck's L'Organiste. If you don't have access to that, I'll = look it up and reprint the basics. It's at the church, or I'd include it now.   French reed organs had foundation tone and reed tone at 16-8-4, with stops divided at middle c, and sometimes a Vox Celeste. Registrations are = indicated by numbers (1-2-3-4-5-6, NOT the pitch numbers) in circles. Because the = keyboard divides at middle c, it was possible (for instance) to pull the 4' = foundation stop in the bass and the 16' reed stop in the treble and imitate the = effect of playing on two manuals, and Franck OFTEN calls for that. If you simply = play the music as written on all 8' stops, things are in the wrong octave.   It's hard to make that effect on American reed organs because most divide = the stops at the f BELOW middle c, rather than middle c.   Cheers,   Bud   AMADPoet@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/26/01 6:22:19 PM Central Standard Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << the front organ was often a harmonium. >> > > Consternation! Answer me a stupid question: what exactly IS a = harmonium?? Is > it just a pumped reed organ? I keep reading about certain composers > "Compositions for Harmonium" as opposed to "Compositions for Organ." = Should > one take this difference into consideration when playing the pieces, and = if > so, how should music written for harmonium be treated when played on a = plain > old walking around organ? > > Mandy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org