PipeChat Digest #1961 - Tuesday, March 27, 2001
 
Re: Assistants- full time and otherwise
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
The Sixteen in concert at Fourth Presbyterian Church in Chicago o	n 3 Apr
  by "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Dignify/announcements
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Food Fights
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: On sampling (was Re: Purists, PCM etc)
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Fwd:  Re: mc~ organs in limbo
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
On the electronics issue
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: "Purists"
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
Re: "Purists"
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com>
the decline and fall of the pipe organ is greatly exaggerated
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Harmonium (was Division of Labor)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Assistants- full time and otherwise From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:41:14 -0800     --------------340AC3D06858CA7A92BAD2BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I'll probably get one when the seminary opens ... I don't think I could manage Mattins and Evensong six days a week AND run the PARISH music program, and the Rector KNOWS it. It may come sooner if we have to go to three Sunday Masses ... someone else will have to play the middle Mass so I can warm up the choir.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/27/01 12:48:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: > > > >> I are both. I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to >> no >> avail. >> >> Instead, they gave me a 10 percent raise this year. So, there ya >> go. > > Believe me, there is MUCH to be said for full time assistants! The > program > here could not happen without one. And the clergy and finance people > are > keenly aware of that. > > Scott Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI   --------------340AC3D06858CA7A92BAD2BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> I'll probably get one when the seminary opens ... I don't think I could manage Mattins and Evensong six days a week AND run the PARISH music = program, and the Rector KNOWS it. It may come sooner if we have to go to three = Sunday Masses ... someone else will have to play the middle Mass so I can warm up the choir. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-by-the-Beach <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 3/27/01 12:48:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Innkawgneeto@cs.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I are both.&nbsp; I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>avail.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Instead, they gave me a = 10 percent raise this year.&nbsp; So, there ya go.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Believe = me, there is MUCH to be said for full time assistants!&nbsp; The = program</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>here = could not happen without one.&nbsp; And the clergy and finance people = are</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>keenly = aware of that.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Scott = Foppiano, National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, = MI</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------340AC3D06858CA7A92BAD2BC--    
(back) Subject: The Sixteen in concert at Fourth Presbyterian Church in Chicago o n 3 April 2001 From: "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:18:50 -0600   One week from today, on Tuesday, 3 April, one of the world's finest choral ensembles, The Sixteen, will perform at Fourth Presbyterian Church at 8:00 p.m. This choir from Oxford, England, will sing Mass for 4 Voices by William Byrd, interspersed with settings of "The Song of Songs" by Palestrina and Victoria. You can read about The Sixteen in the Sunday, 25 March New York Times at <http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/25/arts/25WHIT.html?searchpv=3Dsite01> = (Those who are not already New York Times Online subscribers can sign in free of charge.)   For information about tickets to the 3 April concert or to learn about = other concerts at Fourth Church, visit www.fourthchurch.org/music.html <http://www.fourthchurch.org/music.html>. Tickets are also available at = the church reception desk at 126 E. Chestnut Street or by calling = 312.787.2729, ext. 231. Be sure to inquire about the special ticket price for groups of = 15 or more. Reduced parking is available at 900 N. Michigan for $6.25 after 5:00 p.m.. Bring your parking ticket to the concert for validation.   C. Carroll Cole Arts Administrator Fourth Presbyterian Church 126 East Chestnut Street Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 252 facsimile: 312.787.4584 ccole@fourthchurch.org <http://www.fourthchurch.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:01:00 EST     --part1_53.436323a.27f2133c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 3:49:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ResearchIV@aol.com =   writes:     > I am a member of a church in New York City where the organist and > choirmaster > are the same man. > Great choir, all paid. Forty people. > Great orchestra, all paid, all union. >   What church? Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_53.436323a.27f2133c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 3:49:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ResearchIV@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am a member of a = church in New York City where the organist and <BR>choirmaster <BR>are the same man. <BR>Great choir, all paid. &nbsp;Forty people. <BR>Great orchestra, all paid, all union. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What church? <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_53.436323a.27f2133c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Dignify/announcements From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:03:59 EST     --part1_a0.120780b2.27f213ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I won't dignify the personal attack on me (posting by Research IV, who wouldn't want me near his nursery school) with a reply.   Except that I would like Research IV to know that I have put a block on = any further emails and Instant Messages from him to me. So that: he can no longer harrass me with his insults and garbage, as he has been doing, the past couple of days.   Having got that out of the way, may I take this opportunity to announce = some upcoming organ recitals I will be performing:   September 9th, 5 p.m.: Washington DC National Cathedral. January 6, 2002, 5:15 p.m.: Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris (France) January 13, 2002, 4:45 p.m.: Westminster Cathedral*, London (England).   *Not, of course, to be confused with Westminster Abbey --- a venue which doesn't particularly appeal to me. (I remember vividly being told by a haughty cleric there --- the year was 1950 --- to please "get out of the way"!)   Regards, Arthur LaMirande   P.S. I wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near a nursery school. I don't = like children! (Especially: American children.)   --part1_a0.120780b2.27f213ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I won't dignify the = personal attack on me (posting by Research IV, who <BR>wouldn't want me near his nursery school) with a reply. <BR> <BR>Except that I would like Research IV to know that I have put a block = on any <BR>further emails and Instant Messages from him to me. &nbsp;So that: he = can no <BR>longer harrass me with his insults and garbage, as he has been doing, = the <BR>past couple of days. <BR> <BR>Having got that out of the way, may I take this opportunity to = announce some <BR>upcoming organ recitals I will be performing: <BR> <BR>September 9th, &nbsp;5 p.m.: Washington DC National Cathedral. <BR>January 6, 2002, 5:15 p.m.: Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris (France) <BR>January 13, 2002, 4:45 p.m.: Westminster Cathedral*, London (England). <BR> <BR>*Not, of course, to be confused with Westminster Abbey --- a venue = which <BR>doesn't particularly appeal to me. &nbsp;(I remember vividly being = told by a <BR>haughty cleric there --- the year was 1950 --- to please "get out of = the <BR>way"!) <BR> <BR>Regards, <BR>Arthur LaMirande <BR> <BR>P.S. &nbsp;I wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near a nursery school. = &nbsp;I don't like <BR>children! (Especially: American children.)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a0.120780b2.27f213ef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:16:19 EST     --part1_93.8c5994b.27f216d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 3:46:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dutchorgan@svs.net =   writes:     > . > > Yes, they were coal-guzzlers and air polluters, but they had such > wonderful deep-throated whistles! (organ-related stuff here). > I get teary when I see a steam engine, AND a flight formation of = airforce > planes at parades: My dad flew B-17s over Germany. > I really miss steam engines. I remember one day when Dad was taking a = walk with my brother and me. We got to the train track and the train was stopped while preparing to switch to a siding. Dad took us up to the = enging and asked the engineer if we could come up. He told us to look at everything very carefully, since that might be the last steam engine we = got to see up close. It was very exciting, and did turn out to be almost = the last one. I've been on three more since then (about forty years!), and those were in the past five years for special steam train trips.   I also get choked up watching jets fly over, especially when they're in = the missing-man formation. I'm so glad I got to be a kid while being a kid = was actually fun.     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_93.8c5994b.27f216d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 3:46:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dutchorgan@svs.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, they were coal-guzzlers and air polluters, but they = had such <BR>wonderful deep-throated whistles! (organ-related stuff here). <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;I get teary when I see a steam engine, AND a flight = formation of airforce <BR>planes at parades: My dad flew B-17s over Germany. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I really miss steam engines. &nbsp;I remember = one day when Dad was taking a walk <BR>with my brother and me. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We got to the train track = and the train was <BR>stopped while preparing to switch to a siding. &nbsp;&nbsp;Dad took us = up to the enging <BR>and asked the engineer if we could come up. &nbsp;&nbsp;He told us to = look at <BR>everything very carefully, since that might be the last steam engine = we got <BR>to see up close. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was very exciting, and did turn = out to be almost the <BR>last one. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've been on three more since then (about = forty years!), and <BR>those were in the past five years for special steam train trips. <BR> <BR>I also get choked up watching jets fly over, especially when they're = in the <BR>missing-man formation. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm so glad I got to be a kid = while being a kid was <BR>actually fun. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_93.8c5994b.27f216d3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:25:04 EST     --part1_a8.130d666c.27f218e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/01 5:48:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I are both. I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no > avail. > > Don't you have children??? heeheehee they can do more than rake = yards!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_a8.130d666c.27f218e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/01 5:48:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Innkawgneeto@cs.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I are both. = &nbsp;I've asked for an assistant organist for years, but to no <BR>avail. <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Don't you have children??? &nbsp;heeheehee &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they can = do more than rake yards!! &nbsp; <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a8.130d666c.27f218e0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist, Choirmaster, or BOTH From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:34:14 EST     --part1_49.95d9805.27f21b06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bob, As a long time participant in this and other chat lists, might I suggest = just to delete the messages on the annoying topic before even opening them. It =   only takes a couple of minutes to run down the list. These things tend = to come in spurts, and then it's peace and goodwill, with interesting topics, =   until the next storm blows through. We'd really hate to lose you. = Please give it a bit more of a chance.   Bruce       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_49.95d9805.27f21b06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bob, <BR>As a long time participant in this and other chat lists, might I = suggest just <BR>to delete the messages on the annoying topic before even opening them. = &nbsp;It <BR>only takes a couple of minutes to run down the list. &nbsp;&nbsp;These = things tend to <BR>come in spurts, and then it's peace and goodwill, with interesting = topics, <BR>until the next storm blows through. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We'd really hate = to lose you. &nbsp;Please <BR>give it a bit more of a chance. <BR> <BR>Bruce <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_49.95d9805.27f21b06_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Food Fights From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:55:22 -0500   Come on folks, enough is enough. I try to stay out of this garbage but I am getting carple tunnel erasing all there stupid posts.   If you want to whine and moan about Temperaments and Pipe V toaster take it PRIVATE there is nothing new you can say and I don't want to hear it or do a lot of other people who DO have something useful to say.,   Get a Life people read the guidelines this is getting to be as bad as Piporg-L. Don't wreck the last really good organ forum with inane repeats of unresolvable issues.   Off to dump more Bleach in the Gene Pool.   Don't bother flaming me, I don't care.   Mack      
(back) Subject: Re: On sampling (was Re: Purists, PCM etc) From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 27 Mar 2001 09:01:42 -0800   On Tue, 27 March 2001, Mark Hummel wrote:   > commercialism combined with any decline in pipe > organ popularity will reduce the options for digital organs. Would you > want every digital organ to be a faithful reproduction of the organ at > <insert your favourite great organs here>?   On the contrary. I'm working on this technology, and my main goal is to = make it easy and inexpensive to choose from among a growing stable of ever = more faithful reproductions. If you want to play Bach, Franck, and Fats = Waller on pipe organs and do it right, you need three pipe organs. If you = have to settle for digital, you should at least get some consolation = prize.   By way, I prefer the real thing, especially trackers, myself. But it's = pretty hard to get much personality, let alone multiple personalities, out = of a thousand dollars' worth of pipe organ hardware. Not to mention the = fact that a pipe organ wouldn't fit in my house, and it wouldn't be much = fun to practice in silence when the kids are asleep. So, sadly, I'm not = part of the pipe organ market.   In designing digital reproductions for people like myself, I don't think = I'm contributing to a "decline in pipe organ popularity". Quite the = opposite is true. This work has gotten me fascinated by styles of organ = building that I've always ignored. Good digital organ software won't = shove its prototypes aside; it will promote them.   > There is a further wrinkle - how much detail do you expect = organists/sound > engineers to include? Do you merely include the dimensions of the room, = or > do you enter in the materials covering the ceiling?   Take a look at Creative Labs' Environmental Audio. Even with very = inexpensive equipment, you get to do it all, easily and intuitively. This = is particularly important. As somebody recently pointed out, the most = important "stop" on an organ is the room it's in. If you want Saint = Sulpice in your den, you'll need to wet down the Fourniture (sorry).   Dick      
(back) Subject: Fwd: Re: mc~ organs in limbo From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:04:32 -0000   --- In musiclassical@y..., lblackl366@a... wrote:   In a message dated 26/3/01 3:49:46 pm, ALamirande@a... writes:   << New York City --- where I reside, for better or worse --- has a large number of old organs, particularly in the many Catholic churches, which have fallen into a state of limbo. >>   That was a thoroughly interesting and passionate account. It seems in this day and age, unless there is a significantly important architectural heritage where church buildings are concerned, the organ is not considered in it's own right.   An instrument as important as the 1938 Whitelegg-Moller, if in this country, might well be considered a suitable candidate for assistance from the National Lottery - at least the administrators of the building in which such an instrument was housed would be quite entitled to make an application for a grant). Of course, I have no practical idea how the Lottery system works in New York City. Lance. England. --- End forwarded message ---      
(back) Subject: On the electronics issue From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:40:27 -0500   Truly, any church with the resources and the room should invest in a pipe organ and my choice would be mechanical action. The advantages are clear in tonal quality (with the right builder) and longevity.   One the other side of the coin, there are numerous suburban and rural churches without the resources and more importantly... the rooms to justify a pipe organ. How ridiculous it would be to have a large completely dean pipe organ in a rom with low ceilings and the living room mentality acoustics. These rooms are probably more suited to the effective use of digital due to the ability to actually alter the room environment. I Know.... YIKES... what are you saying? But many of you are not involved in recording and sound reproduction like I am.   you know the saying, what's better, a good organ in a bad room or a bad organ in a good room. there are a lot of things that can be done to effectively "electronically" alter the room environment, and as far as "initial" cost outlay, substantially less then pipes. The real difference is that these cost will continue like revolving credit and replacing electronics as they crap out, or just newer technology. the pipe organ is undoubtedly the first choice. I'd rather have a good 20-some stop two manual tracker in a 4 second room then the biggest digital organ in captivity. there are certain total qualities that are not an accurate representation, especially in the scaling and speech and vowel articulation of finer instruments.   This goes without saying... there will always be the situation that will never be, and for those, i think there are some really good alternatives out there, especially if you start thinking out of the box. My little church is in that boat. I've had the Flentrop and other good instruments, but they aren't here and probably never will be. So I need to use my expertise and knowledge to help them work around this to an "acceptable alternative".   Wayne Grauel    
(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:15:22 -0600   On 3/26/01 8:34 PM, Roy Redman wrote:   > The problem here is that the pipe organ is fighting for its life. If = you and > others > do not take a stand for the pipe organ, there will be none for you to = play in > the > future. > Roy   Taking a stand on the pipe organ, i.e. Refusing to play or acknowledge the validity of the digital organ, will not contribute a whit to saving the = pipe organ. As it currently stands, pipe organs are unlikely to capture the public imagination because of inaccessibility on several fronts. They are too expensive/large for the homes of any save the very rich or very = fanatic; they have not managed to be enough in demand to be installed in a significant number of public venues other than churches; their most = devoted adherents seem also devoted to keeping the music they play at a level = which the common man does not appreciate, popularity being seen as somehow = vulgar. Unfortunately, these same folks expect that for some reason that same = common man will pay for their indulgent hobby.   Hopefully, these conditions can change so that the organ, pipe or digital, is once again a mainstream instrument. If however we are not able to = attract the interest of a much larger proportion of the population, the organ, particularly the pipe organ, will become a curiosity, rather like the krummhorn or sackbutt.   What a pity that would be, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: "Purists" From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@home.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:22:43 -0600   On 3/26/01 9:28 PM, Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > are digital organs artificially reproducing the stops, or are they = replaying > samples from pipe organs? I ask this because I thought that the newer = Allens > and Rodgers used samples from pipe organs. When I'm asked to play, I = check > the organ, if it sounds good, then great. I would never think that an = organ > wasn't good enough for me to play.   Over the years, I certainly have thought that a number of organs weren't good enough for me to play. Some of those were electronic/digital, but frankly a greater number were pipe organs. Some of these suffered from rotten acoustics - I recall one little baroque wonder that sounded exactly like a Hohner accordian - while most had just fallen prey to poor or nonexistent maintenance. Missing notes, ciphers, actions that were slow to the point of comatose, and of course out-of-tune or out-of-regulation. All of these faults, in my experience, are more likely to occur in pipe organs that their substitutes.   Russ    
(back) Subject: the decline and fall of the pipe organ is greatly exaggerated From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:25:56 -0800   While it remains to be seen what they'll DO with them, Seattle, Dallas, Cleveland and Jacksonville have ALL recently installed significant instruments in their CONCERT HALLS and inaugurated them to great fanfare (now if somebody will just do something about BOSTON, and NYC) (grin). And we have the "Super-Size-McPipes-En-Chamade" to look forward to in Los Angeles (grin).   Churches with the space and the money will continue to buy pipe organs. Those with neither will continue to buy digital organs or combo organs.   End of discussion ( I HOPE ).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:09:14 -0800   At 03:49 AM 3/27/2001 -0800, you wrote: >May I remind you all, particularly the ones with their >noses up in the air, that Virgil Fox, in the last 15 >years or so of his life, toured with an electronic >organ and brought the instrument and its repertoire to >places where people would not normally care about >either.<snip>   True. It was a horrid sounding thing, but he DID expand the reach of = organ literature into new venues. What SHOULD be happening (and isn't) is what I've been saying all along...displaced, unused PIPE organs should be going =   into public performance venues!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonium (was Division of Labor) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:16:40 -0800   At 07:25 AM 3/27/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Vocalions (an American brand name) were pressure reed organs, and their=20 >tone is much superior.<snip>   One should also note that the first commercial electronic organ in the=20 United States, the Everett Orgatron of 1932, invented by a fellow who=20 worked for M=F6ller, was, indeed, a harmonium at heart, playing on 5"=20 wind. Hammond's electromagnetic "organ" came three years later. Another=20 electrostatic organ surfaced in England at the same times as the=20 Orgatron...the Mellotone by Comptons.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:23:15 -0500   A few years ago after playing the calliope at the Indiana State Fair, I = just left the fairgrounds and turned onto 38th street, when my eyes beheld a 4-8-2 sitting on the siding -full steam up. I pulled alongside , got out and took a look. The engineer and fireman = were aboard and invited me up. What a thrill that was! I drove home on a cloud.   Rick