PipeChat Digest #1965 - Wednesday, March 28, 2001
 
Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Big Name Organists
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Our of the depths...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Our of the depths...
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
humor/sound
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
prayer and guidance
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it"
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
organist/tuners, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Old technology, was PROBLEM SOLVED From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:03:48 -0600   Yes a band organ would be great. And how about a real live steam caliope? Wish we had that too. Luther -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:54 PM     >Re: Steam engines and organs. > > Yes, there IS a happy connection. > > For your steam show, you need a WurliTzer military band organ to go with >that! > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Big Name Organists From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:20:02 EST     --part1_51.96a790e.27f2c072_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Certainly, Diane Bish has brought the organ some much needed attention. People like her, and she puts on a good show. I don't think that's bad.   But, when you consider the state of musicianship today (I mean in all genres), it is truly amazing that Biggs and Fox were superstars in their = day (much like Pavarotti and Domingo are today). But per capita, I'd say they =   were bigger in terms of stardom. At least from everything I've read.   What was their instrument? The organ!!   And now, we have the likes of Felix Hell, an up and coming star that = really knows how to play and how to please an audience. And he was willing to = play on a 2 manual instrument at our church.   The organ is not forgotten nor irrelevant. Perhaps it has been on a = plateau, and is now beginning to rise again to a new height.   Neil B   --part1_51.96a790e.27f2c072_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Certainly, Diane Bish = has brought the organ some much needed attention. &nbsp; <BR>People like her, and she puts on a good show. &nbsp;I don't think = that's bad. <BR> <BR>But, when you consider the state of musicianship today (I mean in all <BR>genres), it is truly amazing that Biggs and Fox were superstars in = their day <BR>(much like Pavarotti and Domingo are today). &nbsp;But per capita, I'd = say they <BR>were bigger in terms of stardom. &nbsp;At least from everything I've = read. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>What was their instrument? &nbsp;The organ!! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>And now, we have the likes of Felix Hell, an up and coming star that = really <BR>knows how to play and how to please an audience. &nbsp;And he was = willing to play <BR>on a 2 manual instrument at our church. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The organ is not forgotten nor irrelevant. &nbsp;Perhaps it has been = on a plateau, <BR>and is now beginning to rise again to a new height. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_51.96a790e.27f2c072_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing electronic vs. Pipes From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:23:49 EST     --part1_8e.131caf28.27f2c155_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/2001 6:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes:     > When any of you who think you are "above it all" earn > that much for an organ recital and bring organ music > to hundreds of thousands of people per year, then > maybe you can talk from your ivory towers. Until > then, > ZIP IT! >   Dear Jack, et al,   IMO, it is perfectly acceptable to politely voice an opinion, whether or = not the originator receives large recital fees or plays to thousands. I have = no trouble disagreeing with another's point of view without having to tell = them to "ZIP IT!"   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA   --part1_8e.131caf28.27f2c155_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/27/2001 6:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">When any of you = who think you are "above it all" earn <BR>that much for an organ recital and bring organ music <BR>to hundreds of thousands of people per year, then <BR>maybe you can talk from your ivory towers. &nbsp;Until <BR>then, <BR>ZIP IT! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Dear Jack, et al, <BR> <BR>IMO, it is perfectly acceptable to politely voice an opinion, whether = or not <BR>the originator receives large recital fees or plays to thousands. I = have no <BR>trouble disagreeing with another's point of view without having to = tell them <BR>to "ZIP IT!" <BR> <BR>Steven Skinner <BR>Minister of Music <BR>First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant <BR>Erie, PA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8e.131caf28.27f2c155_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Our of the depths... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:53:40 EST   Ladies and Gentlemen:   I joined PipeChat because two men who I like and respect administer this list, and they thought that I might enjoy participating. I looked forward = to a forum devoted to discussions of the history, art, science, philosophy, = and practice of pipe organ building, and the study and performance of its = musical legacy.   I belong to three other organ related internet exchanges, and while humor = is often welcomed and appreciated, petty fights seem to be the order of the = day as of late in THIS forum. Likewise, it seems that when substantive posts = are inserted in between the dross of fighting, they go completely ignored.   Some serious points have been brought up lately, and glossed over, and I sense that there are list members who would LIKE to post, and ask serious questions, but are TERRIFIED of attack, and remain silent. Let's hear = from more of our colleagues who want to learn and develop their knowledge of = the field, so that it can grow, out of the depths, and be taken seriously by = the musical public.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Our of the depths... From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:03:45 -0500       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > I joined PipeChat because two men who I like and respect administer this > list, and they thought that I might enjoy participating. I looked = forward to > a forum devoted to discussions of the history, art, science, philosophy, = and > practice of pipe organ building, and the study and performance of its = musical > legacy. > > HOORAY Sebastian, as usual you have hit the nail on the head!!   Dave McPeak <Mack>       > > Sebastian Matthaus Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: humor/sound From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:07:43 EST     --part1_8c.458b07e.27f2cb9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Some people just wouldn't recognize humor, even if it hit them square in = the proboscis.   Perhaps it's their narrow education, confined to music, or theology (as = the case might be).   One problem with writing to a website like this one is that the reader = sees only the printed word, and cannot hear the vocal inflection. Could we, perhaps, add sound to this system? It might help!   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_8c.458b07e.27f2cb9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Some people just = wouldn't recognize humor, even if it hit them square in the <BR>proboscis. <BR> <BR>Perhaps it's their narrow education, confined to music, or theology = (as the <BR>case might be). <BR> <BR>One problem with writing to a website like this one is that the reader = sees <BR>only the printed word, and cannot hear the vocal inflection. = &nbsp;Could we, <BR>perhaps, add sound to this system? &nbsp;It might help! <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8c.458b07e.27f2cb9f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: prayer and guidance From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:37:13 EST     --part1_b6.133262d3.27f2eea9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello all... You have all been there for me several times since I joined the list, and = I have sincerely expressed my thanks to all of those who have taken the time = to guide me through these difficult times in my life...I want to include that = I have grown to respect, and trust all of you and it is not my intention to offend anyone in anyway!   However I am horrified, and saddened by what has gone on here for the past =   couple of days.   I have been prompted to post a letter regarding what is happening. It is my belief that the things that have gone on here were not of God. = We must all realize that if we play, or sing in a church, we then become disciples, or servants, of God. Well, people in these positions are = expected to have certain standards, and are supposed to be above arguing and = hurting others. We are also too smart to be behaving like that. We are = organists, and as organists, I believe that our frame of mind is way above average. = In order to play this magnificent instrument, we have to be of a higher level = of thinking than most people...which means in order to be a true organist, we =   must act like organists! With that said, and now that I have caught your attention, I will bring = you to my next point. Most of you have read my post about the church that lost all of its grace = and dignity after the pastor left. Well, I was hurt very deeply my this = church and I don't want to see others get hurt like I was. Only this time the pastor didn't leave, but the very presence of God left. The organ was originally built as an instrument to aid in the worship, and glorification = of God...And it is our duty, as organists, to continue in this tradition, and =   continue using the organ in a way as to glorify the Lord! It is my understanding that this list used to be very useful, and helpful to those = who were on it. But when god's presence left, it has turned into pandemonium = of insults, greed to be the best, and self-righteousness. I have written the post (Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it") to show people what that kind of behavior can do to someone, and I = will resend it so those of you who did not read it, can have a chance. I never write posts without a lot of thought, and prayer behind it. And I =   can only but hope that with the prayer, and thoughtfulness, someone who is =   reading my post will learn something, or feel better. I think we should = all take this to heart and start thinking, and praying about what we write privately and publicly to other people! Since I do write posts that = really mean something, I have gained an astonishingly high level of respect from = a lot of people, and I hope that you all do to. Lastly, I must include one more thing. I am a very young, inexperienced organist, and I need a stable group of people to support me, and set examples of what fine organists are like. = It is also your duty, as experienced organists to encourage the art of organ playing to the younger generations...Instead of arguing about pipe organs verses electronic organs, think of all the churches out there who don't = even have organs, and can't afford them! Think of all the young people who = have never been exposed to the organ because they have never seen one! Think = of all the young people who would have never learned to play the organ if it weren't for the electronic organ. And last, think of all the great pipe organs that will sit unplayed and unheard, if you don't recruit new organists, and set a good example for them! This is all I have to say. This is all I need to say. I want you all to know, that I have in no way intended to point fingers, or offend anyone in =   any way! It is my desire only to give you the point of view of a very = young, very confused person! Thank you for reading those of you who made it to this point without = falling asleep! Sorry about the length, but it needed to be said.   josh     --part1_b6.133262d3.27f2eea9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello all... <BR>You have all been there for me several times since I joined the list, = and I <BR>have sincerely expressed my thanks to all of those who have taken the = time to <BR>guide me through these difficult times in my life...I want to include = that I <BR>have grown to respect, and trust all of you and it is not my intention = to <BR>offend anyone in anyway! <BR> <BR>However I am horrified, and saddened by what has gone on here for the = past <BR>couple of days. <BR> <BR>I have been prompted to post a letter regarding what is happening. <BR>It is my belief that the things that have gone on here were not of = God. &nbsp;We <BR>must all realize that if we play, or sing in a church, we then become <BR>disciples, or servants, of God. &nbsp;Well, people in these positions = are expected <BR>to have certain standards, and are supposed to be above arguing and = hurting <BR>others. &nbsp;We are also too smart to be behaving like that. &nbsp;We = are organists, <BR>and as organists, I believe that our frame of mind is way above = average. &nbsp;In <BR>order to play this magnificent instrument, we have to be of a higher = level of <BR>thinking than most people...which means in order to be a true = organist, we <BR>must act like organists! <BR>With that said, and now that I have caught your attention, I will = bring you <BR>to my next point. <BR>Most of you have read my post about the church that lost all of its = grace and <BR>dignity after the pastor left. &nbsp;Well, I was hurt very deeply my = this church <BR>and I don't want to see others get hurt like I was. &nbsp;Only this = time the <BR>pastor didn't leave, but the very presence of God left. &nbsp;The = organ was <BR>originally built as an instrument to aid in the worship, and = glorification of <BR>God...And it is our duty, as organists, to continue in this tradition, = and <BR>continue using the organ in a way as to glorify the Lord! &nbsp;It is = my <BR>understanding that this list used to be very useful, and helpful to = those who <BR>were on it. &nbsp;But when god's presence left, it has turned into = pandemonium of <BR>insults, greed to be the best, and self-righteousness. <BR>I have written the post (<B>Personal Experience was: to those "that = have had <BR>it") </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B>to show people what that kind of behavior = can do to someone, and I will <BR>resend it so those of you who did not read it, can have a = chance.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I never write posts without a lot of thought, and prayer behind it. = &nbsp;And I <BR>can only but hope that with the prayer, and thoughtfulness, someone = who is <BR>reading my post will learn something, or feel better. &nbsp;I think we = should all <BR>take this to heart and start thinking, and praying about what we write =   <BR>privately and publicly to other people! &nbsp;Since I do write posts = that really <BR>mean something, I have gained an astonishingly high level of respect = from a <BR>lot of people, and I hope that you all do to. <BR>Lastly, I must include one more thing. <BR>I am a very young, inexperienced organist, and I need a stable group = of <BR>people to support me, and set examples of what fine organists are = like. &nbsp;It <BR>is also your duty, as experienced organists to encourage the art of = organ <BR>playing to the younger generations...Instead of arguing about pipe = organs <BR>verses electronic organs, think of all the churches out there who = don't even <BR>have organs, and can't afford them! &nbsp;Think of all the young = people who have <BR>never been exposed to the organ because they have never seen one! = &nbsp;Think of <BR>all the young people who would have never learned to play the organ if = it <BR>weren't for the electronic organ. &nbsp;And last, think of all the great pipe <BR>organs that will sit unplayed and unheard, if you don't recruit new <BR>organists, and set a good example for them! <BR>This is all I have to say. &nbsp;This is all I need to say. &nbsp;I = want you all to <BR>know, that I have in no way intended to point fingers, or offend = anyone in <BR>any way! &nbsp;It is my desire only to give you the point of view of a = very young, <BR>very confused person! <BR>Thank you for reading those of you who made it to this point without = falling <BR>asleep! <BR>Sorry about the length, but it needed to be said. <BR> <BR> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;josh <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_b6.133262d3.27f2eea9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Personal Experience was: to those "that have had it" From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:38:21 EST     --part1_99.12a5e609.27f2eeed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi. =3DA0=3D20 I am just writing to tell of my personal experiences with playing the = piano=3D20 in church...As a church pianist, I have endured much more abuse, and = hurt=3D20 than I have ever on the organ.=3D20 My first full-time church piano position was in 1995. =3DA0We had a = beautiful=3D20 little chapel that I just loved. =3DA0The church I loved. =3DA0In fact I = loved t=3D he=3D20 church so much, that I volunteered my services to cleaning the church just = s=3D o=3D20 I could be there all the time. =3DA0I made sure that my church was = beautifully=3D =3D20 clean all the time...I would clean every crystal in every chandelier = every=3D20 Saturday. =3DA0I would make sure that I vacuumed late Saturday night, so = that=3D20=3D the=3D20 elegant gold carpet was untouched when the pastor came in the next = morning.=3D20=3D =3DA0=3D20 I made sure that the cherrywood grand piano, and lovely organ gleamed in = the=3D =3D20 reflection of my sparkling crystals that I worked so hard at and making = sure=3D =3D20 not one speck of dust was on the bulbs. =3DA0The rows and rows of pews, = and th=3D e=3D20 tearstained alters were ever so lustrous, glistening in the sunlight = that=3D20 came in through the deep blue, and burgundy stained glass windows. =3DA0I = simp=3D le=3D20 adored the people, and the church more than anything. =3DA0And I adored = the=3D20 presence of God that was abundant, and felt at all times.=3D20 Then the pastor left, along with all dignity and nobility that the church = ha=3D d=3D20 once retained, and my church was shattered. =3DA0When our dear, caring = pastor=3D20 left, so did all of the gracefulness of the church, and its members. = =3DA0It=3D20 turned into a mad fight for power, and all the people that I once adored = had=3D =3D20 become greedy, and mean.=3D20 Finally I was asked to take over the pastors wife's position on the = piano.=3D20=3D =3DA0I=3D20 reluctantly agreed to this as I wasn't to happy to replace someone who I = had=3D =3D20 loved so much.=3D20 That is when the abuse started.=3D20 The new song leader, who was the head deacon, would present me with a = song=3D20 list about 5 minutes before each service. =3DA0On this list he had = written=3D20 tempos, keys, and which stanzas to play. =3DA0So naturally I ran to the = choir=3D20 room and ran through the songs by myself, so I would know them well = enough=3D20 for service. =3DA0=3D20 Well, when service came I would play the introduction, and we would = start=3D20 singing. =3DA0The whole time he would be dragging me along, and giving me = dirt=3D y=3D20 looks through the first verse. =3DA0Then he stops me, accuses me of = playing in=3D =3D20 the wrong key, and orderers me to transpose the song into a higher key. = =3DA0I=3D =3D20 only did what he told me. =3DA0But he proceeded to continue in this = manner=3D20 throughout the whole service, stopping me in the middle of 2 more = songs.=3D20=3D =3DA0I=3D20 went ahead and play for three more Sundays, and then we decided to = meet=3D20 before one service. =3DA0=3D20 Well, I was there alone, and he and his hateful wife walk in to = practice.=3D20=3D =3DA0We=3D20 start out, and he just cant get it right, blaming the whole thing on = me.=3D20=3D =3DA0I=3D20 was just doing exactly as he had commanded. =3DA0Finally his wife gets up = and=3D20 says "honey, give me the keys, I am going to sit in the car, I am not = going=3D20 to sit in here and put up with this crap any longer (looking in my=3D20 direction)."=3D20 I just couldn't take it anymore. =3DA0His wife was always mean to me after = the=3D =3D20 pastor left. =3DA0She would come and monitor me on Saturdays to make sure = I di=3D d=3D20 not steal anything.=3D20 So my parents (who then loved me) decided to switch churches, and find me = a=3D20 better position.=3D20 I will always have a special place in my heart for what that church used = to=3D20 be, and for what I wish it could still be. =3DA0I missed it dearly for a = long=3D20 time, but finally I have gotten over it, but still fail to find that kind = of=3D =3D20 happiness in any other church.=3D20 Thanks for reading my rather windy post. =3DA0But I want you to know it = comes=3D20 from my heart. =3DA0This is an experience which pierced me deep within, and=3D20 something I will never, ever forget.=3D20 Thanks again,=3D20 Josh=3D20         --part1_99.12a5e609.27f2eeed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Hi. =3DA0=3D20 <BR>I am just writing to tell of my personal experiences with playing the = pi=3D ano=3D20 <BR>in church...As a church pianist, I have endured much more abuse, and = hur=3D t=3D20 <BR>than I have ever on the organ.=3D20 <BR>My first full-time church piano position was in 1995. =3DA0We had a = beauti=3D ful=3D20 <BR>little chapel that I just loved. =3DA0The church I loved. =3DA0In fact = I lov=3D ed the=3D20 <BR>church so much, that I volunteered my services to cleaning the church = ju=3D st so=3D20 <BR>I could be there all the time. =3DA0I made sure that my church was = beautif=3D ully=3D20 <BR>clean all the time...I would clean every crystal in every chandelier = eve=3D ry=3D20 <BR>Saturday. =3DA0I would make sure that I vacuumed late Saturday night, = so t=3D hat the=3D20 <BR>elegant gold carpet was untouched when the pastor came in the next = morni=3D ng. =3DA0=3D20 <BR>I made sure that the cherrywood grand piano, and lovely organ gleamed = in=3D the=3D20 <BR>reflection of my sparkling crystals that I worked so hard at and = making=3D20=3D sure=3D20 <BR>not one speck of dust was on the bulbs. =3DA0The rows and rows of = pews, an=3D d the=3D20 <BR>tearstained alters were ever so lustrous, glistening in the sunlight = tha=3D t=3D20 <BR>came in through the deep blue, and burgundy stained glass windows. = =3DA0I=3D20=3D simple=3D20 <BR>adored the people, and the church more than anything. =3DA0And I = adored th=3D e=3D20 <BR>presence of God that was abundant, and felt at all times.=3D20 <BR>Then the pastor left, along with all dignity and nobility that the = churc=3D h had=3D20 <BR>once retained, and my church was shattered. =3DA0When our dear, caring = pas=3D tor=3D20 <BR>left, so did all of the gracefulness of the church, and its = members.=3D20=3D =3DA0It=3D20 <BR>turned into a mad fight for power, and all the people that I once = adored=3D had=3D20 <BR>become greedy, and mean.=3D20 <BR>Finally I was asked to take over the pastors wife's position on the = pian=3D o. =3DA0I=3D20 <BR>reluctantly agreed to this as I wasn't to happy to replace someone who = I=3D had=3D20 <BR>loved so much.=3D20 <BR>That is when the abuse started.=3D20 <BR>The new song leader, who was the head deacon, would present me with a = so=3D ng=3D20 <BR>list about 5 minutes before each service. =3DA0On this list he had = written=3D =3D20 <BR>tempos, keys, and which stanzas to play. =3DA0So naturally I ran to = the ch=3D oir=3D20 <BR>room and ran through the songs by myself, so I would know them well = enou=3D gh=3D20 <BR>for service. =3DA0=3D20 <BR>Well, when service came I would play the introduction, and we would = star=3D t=3D20 <BR>singing. =3DA0The whole time he would be dragging me along, and giving = me=3D20=3D dirty=3D20 <BR>looks through the first verse. =3DA0Then he stops me, accuses me of = playin=3D g in=3D20 <BR>the wrong key, and orderers me to transpose the song into a higher = key.=3D20=3D =3DA0I=3D20 <BR>only did what he told me. =3DA0But he proceeded to continue in this = manner=3D =3D20 <BR>throughout the whole service, stopping me in the middle of 2 more = songs.=3D =3DA0I=3D20 <BR>went ahead and play for three more Sundays, and then we decided to = meet=3D20 <BR>before one service. =3DA0=3D20 <BR>Well, I was there alone, and he and his hateful wife walk in to = practice=3D .. =3DA0We=3D20 <BR>start out, and he just cant get it right, blaming the whole thing on = me.=3D =3DA0I=3D20 <BR>was just doing exactly as he had commanded. =3DA0Finally his wife gets = up=3D20=3D and=3D20 <BR>says "honey, give me the keys, I am going to sit in the car, I am not = go=3D ing=3D20 <BR>to sit in here and put up with this crap any longer (looking in = my=3D20 <BR>direction)."=3D20 <BR>I just couldn't take it anymore. =3DA0His wife was always mean to me = after=3D the=3D20 <BR>pastor left. =3DA0She would come and monitor me on Saturdays to make = sure=3D20=3D I did=3D20 <BR>not steal anything.=3D20 <BR>So my parents (who then loved me) decided to switch churches, and find m=3D e a=3D20 <BR>better position.=3D20 <BR>I will always have a special place in my heart for what that church = used=3D to=3D20 <BR>be, and for what I wish it could still be. =3DA0I missed it dearly for = a l=3D ong=3D20 <BR>time, but finally I have gotten over it, but still fail to find that = kin=3D d of=3D20 <BR>happiness in any other church.=3D20 <BR>Thanks for reading my rather windy post. =3DA0But I want you to know = it co=3D mes=3D20 <BR>from my heart. =3DA0This is an experience which pierced me deep = within, an=3D d=3D20 <BR>something I will never, ever forget.=3D20 <BR>Thanks again,=3D20 <BR>Josh</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> </XMP></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0f0f0f" = SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_99.12a5e609.27f2eeed_boundary--  
(back) Subject: organist/tuners, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:42:21 -0800   I agree that organists should know how to tune and fix simple problems = themselves .... I grew up in an era and an area where you saw the tuner once a year = if you were LUCKY. In the meantime, you were on your own.   And Episcopal churches in those days didn't have pianos in the church, so = either the organ played or you sang a cappella ... an EXCRUCIATING experience in = those back-country high-churches in rural Florida. You haven't LIVED until = you've heard Missa Marialis without the organ in a nasal Southern drawl (grin).   BUT, it's a two-edged sword ... if you don't know how to do it RIGHT, you = can do more harm than good.   For instance: reeds most often need tuned (even though it's actually the = flues that drift ... you tune the reeds to the flues because there are ) ... if = you don't know what you're doing and push the tuning wire down too far and = then pull it back up, you can mangle the reed-tongue.   I happen to have been taught that you fine-tune on the scroll and not the = wire, so I don't MESS with the wire in any case ... but I've also seen reed = pipes with the scrolls broken OFF because of careless tuning with a screwdriver or = whatever.   Ditto cone-tuned flue pipes in older organs and some modern ones ... you = DON'T tune them by whacking them with a wood-rasp (grin). If you're going to = HAVE to do your own tuning on a cone-tuned organ, make the church buy a set of tuning = cones.   Cheers,   Bud