PipeChat Digest #1981 - Saturday, March 31, 2001
 
Re: Tunings & Temperaments
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Net Problems?
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: inch of space/releathering, etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Net Problems
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Concert In Chicago Area (X-Posted)
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: inch of space/releathering, etc.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Net Problems?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: diacritics (Danish vs German)
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Fwd:  Concert at Lincoln Center
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Net Problems?
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Tunings & Temperaments From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 30 Mar 2001 18:14:45 -0800   On Thu, 29 March 2001, Bob Elms wrote:   > > Well, Ron, I understood that even with an organ in equal temperament the > thirds (tierces) are tuned pure and so are the fifths. If so, your > remark can't be sustained. > B. E. > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Equal temperment makes sure all unisons and octaves are > > in tune and nothing else. The thirds and sixths screem out of > > tune and the forths and fifths a little less so.   Far be it from me to wax pedagogical on the subject of temperaments, but I = think I see a misunderstanding here. In any case, this gives me a chance = to have my own misunderstandings corrected if I've got it wrong. So here = goes.   As far as I know, STOPS that represent intervals of thirds and fifths (and = their octave equivalents) are tuned pure on just about everything but = Hammonds.   But notes on the keyboard cannot be. If you try to tune pure all the way = around the circle of fifths, you don't end up where you started. So you = have to pick one compromise or another. Equal temperament applies the = same degree of compromise to every instance of each interval (See Desert = Bob's post). That is, all the fifths are off by the same amount, all the = thirds are off by the same amount, etc., etc. In fact, the offness is a = factor of the number of steps around the circle of fifths in the interval. = So thirds are off by a lot more than fourths and fifths.   You can hear this by pulling a unison stop and a tierce or a quint, and = then by playing two notes separated by the same interval. Pull a unison = stop and a quint, for instance, and then play a fifth. The result's not = too bad in equal temperament, because fifths are not tuned all that far = off. Except on Christmas and Easter, pipe organs are that much out of = tune, anyway, so we're used to it (duck).   But pull a unison and a tierce and then play a major third. If you're = playing a C and an E, you're hearing the unison stop's equal temperament E = against the tierce's pure E-as-a-harmonic-of-C. Oof! That's one of the = reasons Sesquialteras and Cornets are used so much in solo combinations.   Hope I haven't confused things more.   Dick      
(back) Subject: Net Problems? From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:16:42 -0500   Hi All,   Is anybody else experiencing problems with the net tonight? I have been receiving posts with subjects, but no content in the body of the message. Is it just me, or are others having problems too?   Mike Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Re: inch of space/releathering, etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:16:24 EST     --part1_7f.124d0bbd.27f697f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/30/01 6:16:10 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > "Preservationists" fawn over their trackers > and what-not, but time marches on, and many fine instruments from the > twentieth century, such as this one, are indeed in jeopardy. = Stewardship > of such musical and historic instruments, especially in Catholic = churches, > is deplorable. OUT of the churches and INTO the concert hall, I say! > >   This "preservationist" fawns over any wonderful pipe organ, tracker or EP. = I was almost ready to jump on your "into the concert hall" bandwagon, = until I tried to get a friend in to see the Jacksonville organ and ran into union problems. It seems that organs in concert halls are only (hopefully) = more available to the public for performances, but are severely limited in accessibility to organists. This ain't good!   What time period did Whitelegg do his magic on MoMoland?   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_7f.124d0bbd.27f697f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/30/01 6:16:10 PM !!!First Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Preservationists" = fawn over their trackers <BR>and what-not, but time marches on, and many fine instruments from the <BR>twentieth century, such as this one, are indeed in jeopardy. = &nbsp;Stewardship <BR>of such musical and historic instruments, especially in Catholic = churches, <BR>is deplorable. &nbsp;OUT of the churches and INTO the concert hall, I = say! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This "preservationist" fawns over any wonderful pipe organ, tracker or = EP. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>I was almost ready to jump on your "into the concert hall" bandwagon, = until I <BR>tried to get a friend in to see the Jacksonville organ and ran into = union <BR>problems. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It seems that organs in concert halls are = only (hopefully) more <BR>available to the public for performances, but are severely limited in <BR>accessibility to organists. &nbsp;This ain't good! <BR> <BR>What time period did Whitelegg do his magic on MoMoland? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7f.124d0bbd.27f697f8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Net Problems From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:11:51 -0500   Sorry Folks, the problem was internal and not the fault of the net. I had about 40 programs running at once and ran out of RAM. The messages filled in after I rebooted and checked them again.   I just gotta remember to limit the amount Internet windows I have opened at any given time. You get spoiled on a big computer. :-)   Cheers Mike Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Concert In Chicago Area (X-Posted) From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:39:53 EST   One week from tonight, April 6, at 7:30 p.m. Devon Hollingsworth and SIX Harpists present a variety of music for organ and harp. Tickets are $10 each, with age 16 and under free when accompanied by an adult. Austin = pipe organ 1978/80/82/86/01, 4 manuals, 80 ranks.  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:22 -0800   At 01:08 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, you wrote: I would love to do this with my 500+ LP collection. What sort of software/hardware is needed to get them<snip>   Be careful. Most "SoundBlaster" sound cards (and the like) have notoriously lousy codecs and are very noisy. Fidelity would be better on disc! Only do this with a high quality sound card (or a standalone CD burner) with GOOD equipment. There is software out there for both Mac and =   PC that has algorithms to remove impulse noise and do digital EQ. Unless you want to spend some time to do this right, however, the transferred product will be inferior to the LP itself...hardly worth the bother if you =   have high quality tables and cartridges already.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:28:58 -0800   At 04:36 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I seem to recall that the recording head on a S-VHS VCR spun faster and >the tape was slightly better than ordinary tape (something like chrome >vs Metal tape in cassettes) which gave it the better fidelity.<snip>   The head speed is linked to the veritcal interval frequency, and thus is=20 the same...59.94 Hz for NTSC. There is different EQ involved, but standard= =20 VHS =BD" tape works just as well as the S-VHS stuff at most times. Only=20 thing I've noted about S-VHS cassettes is slightly better quality control,= =20 meaning less dropouts, and a better cassette mechanism. Hardly worth a=20 400% increase in price however. S-VHS was doomed when DVD finally caught=20 on, and the "entertainment factories" want analog tape gone as soon as=20 possible. You can still buy S-VHS VCRs, and enjoy resolution almost as=20 good as LaserDisc. Of course, many of use were enjoying better resolution= =20 LONG ago with Beta format!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: inch of space/releathering, etc. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:35:29 -0800   At 09:16 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I was almost ready to jump on your "into the concert hall" bandwagon, = until I >tried to get a friend in to see the Jacksonville organ and ran into union >problems.<snip>   What "union problems"?? This is the real world, not some dank church! If =   there are jurisdictional issues, you work them out, and that's that! = Don't blame unions for your lack of "at-will" access to a concert hall = instrument .... it's the way things work! Learn the lay of the land and work with = it.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Net Problems? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:00:45 EST   Hi Mike:   Yes, I've received some too!   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: diacritics (Danish vs German) From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:00:52 -0500   At 10:44 AM 03/29/2001, you wrote: >But there is no need to change the spelling since the o is pronounced the >same way (in English) whether it is use with an e or not. Moller is >pronounced the same as Moeller! It's moot... or mooet!     A subscriber to another organ list pronounces his last name, spelled "Moeller", as "MELL-er".   German, AFAIK.   --Shirley        
(back) Subject: Fwd: Concert at Lincoln Center From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:22:02 -0000   --- In musiclassical@y..., ALamirande@a... wrote: Tonight, I went to acoustically challenged Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center, New York. (Actually, the acoustics are better now than they used to be, but it still sounds more like a small chamber hall --- or perhaps, an oversized hi-fi set --- than the immense hall that it actually is. Decidedly dry and non-reverberant.)   The reason I attended this concert: they were performing the Variations on a Theme of Beethoven, for piano and orchestra, by Franz Schmidt. This music is simply ravishing in its sheer beauty. For the pianist, it is also immensely difficult to play, even in the version for two hands. (It was originally written for the left hand alone, for pianist Paul Wittgenstein, who had lost his right arm in World War I --- and that version must have been almost beyond the realm of physical possibility!) It is not, however, the sort of electrifying concerto that sets an audience to screaming on its feet, a la the Tchaikovsky First, or the Rachmaninoff Second and Third; this is much more subtle. But I had an excellent view of the piano from my First Tier seat; and I could see (as well as hear) the immense difficulty involved in the execution of the piano part, with its rapid passages of octaves and other such configurations.   The superb pianist was Stefan Vladar, who lives in Vienna. The audience --- which did listen intently --- gave him all of two curtain calls (when I thought he deserved five!).   The orchestra, the American Symphony Orchestra under Leon Botstein, played well.   The Schmidt led off the program. Following came the Variations and Fugue on the Theme of Beethoven by Max Reger. After the Schmidt, I frankly found this a let-down. For all of his good intentions --- and his obvious technical skill --- Reger is just not in the same league as Franz Schmidt. There were some passages of humor, particularly in the concluding Fugue; but on the whole I found it to be hardly better than mood music. Especially after the work of sheer genius which had preceded it. Now, if the Reger had been placed first, followed by the Schmidt, then it might have made a more successful impression - -- with me, at least.   After intermission came Richard Strauss's "edition" of Beethoven's "The Ruins of Athens" --- to which was appended portions of "The Creatures of Prometheus". Most of the music is unadulterated Beethoven: Strauss composed one short section, called "Melodrama", for orchestra and spoken narrative. The orchestra was joined by the Dessoff Choirs for this occasion.   Some of the music is quite familiar, as the famous "Turkish March" from The Ruins of Athens. And the main themes of The Creatures of Prometheus. The Chorus of Dervishes in The Ruins of Athens was new to me --- and must have sounded very unsettling to a Viennese audience in the early 1800s, removed as it was by little more than a century from a massive Turkish invasion. However, The Creatures of Prometheus, stripped of the staging and ballet for which the music was conceived, began to grow tiresome after a while; and I was glad when the work finally concluded, with a brief chorus. As I recall, there were four curtain calls this time.   It will be most interesting to read what sort of review this gets in the Times.   Arthur LaMirande --- End forwarded message ---      
(back) Subject: Re: Net Problems? From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:28:41 -0800 (PST)     --- mike <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Is anybody else experiencing problems with the net tonight? I have > been receiving posts with subjects, but no content in the body of the > message. Is it just me, or are others having problems too? >   I am getting duplicates.....but may be yahoo - I need to set up my pacbell = account - I am PAYING for it!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:25:36 -0600   If this isn't too far off topic: What is a good pro-level card? If you go to the computer shacks, Creative Labs has the top of the line equipment, with no-name clones priced slightly lower. If one wants to rip some vinyl, what's the best kind of sound hardware to get? The seemingly best pro alternatives I've seen start at about $400. Is = there another option? Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com The Theatre Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com/theatre   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )     > At 01:08 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, you wrote: > I would love to do this with my 500+ LP collection. What sort of > software/hardware is needed to get them<snip> > > Be careful. Most "SoundBlaster" sound cards (and the like) have > notoriously lousy codecs and are very noisy. Fidelity would be better = on > disc! Only do this with a high quality sound card (or a standalone CD > burner) with GOOD equipment. There is software out there for both Mac = and > PC that has algorithms to remove impulse noise and do digital EQ. = Unless > you want to spend some time to do this right, however, the transferred > product will be inferior to the LP itself...hardly worth the bother if = you > have high quality tables and cartridges already. > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >