PipeChat Digest #1983 - Saturday, March 31, 2001
 
Re: Tempermental temperaments
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Re: prayer and guidance
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Fwd:  Peter Laki article
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Chicago Reader Features THE SIXTEEN As Critics Choice
  by "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org>
(no subject)
  by <Doppelflote8@aol.com>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com>
Re: Tunings & Temperaments
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: prayer and guidance
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta )
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Tempermental temperaments From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:59:55 EST     --part1_6d.119e661f.27f7751b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/31/01 4:42:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = Doppelflote8@aol.com writes:     > Just food for thought..... >   Ugh! Gives me indigestion!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6d.119e661f.27f7751b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 3/31/01 4:42:53 PM !!!First = Boot!!!, Doppelflote8@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Just food for thought..... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Ugh! &nbsp;Gives me indigestion!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6d.119e661f.27f7751b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:40:42 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_162520051= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 06:41 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Mike Gettelman wrote: > > Hello Bill, > You would need to purchase a sound card capable of "capturing" > analog signal from your record player/stereo setup, and converting it to =   > digital format.     Thanks, Mike--I have such a card and have the line in connection from my stereo now. The only program I seem to find on the hard drive that can "listen" to the record and make = the ..WAV file is Microsoft's freebie called Sound Recorder, and it appears to be limited to 60-second WAV's. What software would be suggested for transferring the analog inputs to .WAV files? I think I =   already have everything I need but that piece.       --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_162520051= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> <font size=3D3>At 06:41 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>Mike Gettelman wrote: <br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello Bill, <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You would need to purchase a sound card capable of &quot;capturing&quot; analog signal from your record player/stereo setup, and converting it to digital format. </font></blockquote><br> <br> Thanks, Mike--I have such a card and have the line in connection from my stereo now.&nbsp; The only program I <br> seem to find on the hard drive that can &quot;listen&quot; to the record and make the .WAV file is Microsoft's<br> freebie called Sound Recorder, and it appears to be limited to 60-second WAV's.&nbsp;&nbsp; What software would<br> be suggested for transferring the analog inputs to .WAV files?&nbsp;&nbsp; I think I already have everything I need<br> but that piece.<br> <br> <br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_162520051= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: prayer and guidance From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:40:30 -0800 (PST)   Dear Josh, You should also form a good stable circle of friends where you live. Don't always rely on people you meet on the internet. While some of the peopl on this list are wise, there are also some who do not have the experience or know the inner workings of the profession. This is not meant to insult anyone: I think everyone here wants to learn something about the organ and its world. Secondly, your life and everyday well-being should not revolve around an internet list and the various opinions expressed on it. That's not healthy. Developing wonderful, supportive friendships in your own midst is much healthier--people with whom you can meet face to face over a cup of coffe and who will listen to you. I think for your own spiritual, mental and physical well-being, you need to now focus on getting beyond the bad experience you had in your former church and move on with your life. Counseling from a minister with counseling experience, or a therapist may help if that is what's needed. But you need to move on with your good works and talents that God has given you.   JW   --- Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > Hello all... > You have all been there for me several times since I > joined the list, and I > have sincerely expressed my thanks to all of those > who have taken the time to > guide me through these difficult times in my > life...I want to include that I > have grown to respect, and trust all of you and it > is not my intention to > offend anyone in anyway! > > However I am horrified, and saddened by what has > gone on here for the past > couple of days. > > I have been prompted to post a letter regarding what > is happening. > It is my belief that the things that have gone on > here were not of God. We > must all realize that if we play, or sing in a > church, we then become > disciples, or servants, of God. Well, people in > these positions are expected > to have certain standards, and are supposed to be > above arguing and hurting > others. We are also too smart to be behaving like > that. We are organists, > and as organists, I believe that our frame of mind > is way above average. In > order to play this magnificent instrument, we have > to be of a higher level of > thinking than most people...which means in order to > be a true organist, we > must act like organists! > With that said, and now that I have caught your > attention, I will bring you > to my next point. > Most of you have read my post about the church that > lost all of its grace and > dignity after the pastor left. Well, I was hurt > very deeply my this church > and I don't want to see others get hurt like I was. > Only this time the > pastor didn't leave, but the very presence of God > left. The organ was > originally built as an instrument to aid in the > worship, and glorification of > God...And it is our duty, as organists, to continue > in this tradition, and > continue using the organ in a way as to glorify the > Lord! It is my > understanding that this list used to be very useful, > and helpful to those who > were on it. But when god's presence left, it has > turned into pandemonium of > insults, greed to be the best, and > self-righteousness. > I have written the post (Personal Experience was: to > those "that have had > it") to show people what that kind of behavior can > do to someone, and I will > resend it so those of you who did not read it, can > have a chance. > I never write posts without a lot of thought, and > prayer behind it. And I > can only but hope that with the prayer, and > thoughtfulness, someone who is > reading my post will learn something, or feel > better. I think we should all > take this to heart and start thinking, and praying > about what we write > privately and publicly to other people! Since I do > write posts that really > mean something, I have gained an astonishingly high > level of respect from a > lot of people, and I hope that you all do to. > Lastly, I must include one more thing. > I am a very young, inexperienced organist, and I > need a stable group of > people to support me, and set examples of what fine > organists are like. It > is also your duty, as experienced organists to > encourage the art of organ > playing to the younger generations...Instead of > arguing about pipe organs > verses electronic organs, think of all the churches > out there who don't even > have organs, and can't afford them! Think of all > the young people who have > never been exposed to the organ because they have > never seen one! Think of > all the young people who would have never learned to > play the organ if it > weren't for the electronic organ. And last, think > of all the great pipe > organs that will sit unplayed and unheard, if you > don't recruit new > organists, and set a good example for them! > This is all I have to say. This is all I need to > say. I want you all to > know, that I have in no way intended to point > fingers, or offend anyone in > any way! It is my desire only to give you the point > of view of a very young, > very confused person! > Thank you for reading those of you who made it to > this point without falling > asleep! > Sorry about the length, but it needed to be said. > > josh > >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext  
(back) Subject: Fwd: Peter Laki article From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:56:32 -0000   --- In musiclassical@y..., ALamirande@a... wrote: Peter Laki, distinguished program annotator for the Cleveland Symphony Orchestra, has kindly sent me a photocopy of an article he wrote several years ago for the prestigious "Musical Quarterly". The article is entitled: "Franz Schmidt (1874 - 1939) and Dohna'nyi Erno" (1877 - 1960): A Study in Austro-Hungarian Alternatives". Unfortunately, the photocopy does not give the year or date of publication, but when I get that information from Mr. Laki, I will post it.   Mr. Laki points out that in a seven-year period (1874 to 1881), no fewer than three major composers were born in the same city: a city variously known as Pressburg (German), Pozsony (Hungarian), and Bratislava (Slovak). [During much of the 17th century, when more than half of Hungary was under Turkish occupation, Pozsony served as capital of unoccupied Hungary. Nowadays --- 2001 --- as Bratislava, it is capital of the Slovak Republic.]   These were Franz Schmidt, Ernst von Dohnanyi (Dohnanyi Erno in Hungarian), and Bela Bartok. At age 14, Schmidt went off to Vienna (Wien), there to spend the rest of his life; while Dohnanyi and Bartok went off at an early age to Budapest. Schmidt died in Austria in 1939; while both Dohnanyi and Bartok spend their last years in exile in the United States.   The article confines itself to a comparison of the differing developments of Schmidt and Dohnanyi, in their respective chosen cities/countries. It's far too lengthy to quote in detail here, but I will quote the concluding paragraph, which is succinct and of particular interest:   "Of the two boys [Franz Schmidt and Ernst von Dohnanyi] born in the same city three years apart, and attending the same high school, one became an Austrian composer and the other a Hungarian. Both were blessed with prodigious musicality, both possessed consummate musical craftmanship, and both served the cause of music in their respective countries in multiple capacities. The Hungarian [Dohnanyi] became a world traveler whose musical language was international and cosmopolitan; the Austrian [Schmidt] (who is not known to have spoken Hungarian ever again after the age of fourteen) remained home all his life and worked within the Austrian musical tradition. Yet he [Schmidt] continued to harbor a certain nostalgia for a part of his cultural heritage that he no longer actively cultivated, and expressed it in Hungarianisms scattered across his entire oeuvre."   Arthur LaMirande --- End forwarded message ---      
(back) Subject: Chicago Reader Features THE SIXTEEN As Critics Choice From: "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:46:51 -0600   Don't miss the Chicago debut of The Sixteen on 3 April 2001 at 8:00 p.m. = at Fourth Presbyterian Church. Read what Chicago Reader music critic Ted Shen has to say about this world-class ensemble: http://www.chicagoreader.com/music/critic.html#KSIXTE   To learn more about the concert and to order tickets, visit http://www.fourthchurch.org/sixteen.html   C. Carroll Cole, Coordinator of Fine Arts Fourth Presbyterian Church 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 252 facsimile 312.787.4584 ccole@fourthchurch.org <http://www.fourthchurch.org>      
(back) Subject: (no subject) From: <Doppelflote8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:42:30 EST     --part1_e6.139aafc4.27f79b36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     dB wrote: In ET, fifths are tuned to a faster "beat" than fourths when "laying the bearings". <snip>       I always tuned the 4ths faster than the 5ths. Hope I havent "oopsed" all these years.   Alan       --part1_e6.139aafc4.27f79b36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>dB wrote: <BR>In ET, fifths are tuned to a faster "beat" than fourths when "laying = the <BR>bearings". &lt;snip&gt; <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I always tuned the 4ths faster than the 5ths. &nbsp;Hope I havent = "oopsed" all <BR>these years. <BR> <BR>Alan <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_e6.139aafc4.27f79b36_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:03:50 -0800   * Bob Scarborough (desertbob@rglobal.net) wrote: > Be careful. Most "SoundBlaster" sound cards (and the like) have > notoriously lousy codecs and are very noisy.   That's simply not true. First of all, sound cards don't have codecs, except in very rare cases, such as the Sound Blaster Live MP3, which will encode and decode MP3's. A codec is a device that COmpresses and DECompresses a signal. This is almost always done in software, the sound card has nothing to do with it.   Though Sound Blaster has had a bad reputation in the past, the "Live" family of cards is really quite good. There's an _excellent_ site that runs very thorough tests on many popular sound cards (the site is http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/), and the "Live" scored "very good" in every category in its analog performance. Its digital performance is another story, but that wouldn't affect you unless you had a digital input, which you wouldn't if you were going from record player->computer.   You can buy a Sound Blaster Live Value for around $50 from a few online retailers (such as http://www.a2zcomp.com/default.asp) but they're increasingly hard to come by. Anything from the Live family should be fine though.   The only other problem with going from record player to computer is the fact that you can't plug a record player directly into your computer--you must go through a phono preamp first. These seem to run about $100, I found two: http://www.digitalaudioworks.com/dawstore/terphonpream.html and http://www.grahamsleeprojects.supanet.com/phono_preamplifiers.htm. If you try to go straight into your computer without using a phono preamp, the sound will be very tinny and soft--this is due to an inherent difference between the output of a record player and "line level," which is what your sound card will expect.   The short version: unless you already have an adequate sound card, it will cost you between $150 and $200 in hardware, and then whatever you choose to use for software. Cool Edit 2000 costs $69, but has a free 30-day evaluation, so if you can do all your work in 30 days, then it's effectively free! (more info at http://www.syntrillium.com/cooledit/index.html)   Joshua   -- Joshua Haberman = <joshua@haberman.com> University of Puget Sound = <joshua@debian.org> http://www.reverberate.org = <jhaberman@ups.edu>  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:45:05 -0800   * Brent Johnson (bmjohns@fgi.net) wrote: > If this isn't too far off topic: > What is a good pro-level card? > If you go to the computer shacks, Creative Labs has the top of the line > equipment, with no-name clones priced slightly lower. If one wants to = rip > some vinyl, what's the best kind of sound hardware to get? > The seemingly best pro alternatives I've seen start at about $400. Is = there > another option?   If you're really convinced that the Sound Blaster Live isn't enough to suit your needs, the next step up is probably either something from Turtle Beach or Echo. The former seems not to make their semi-pro cards any more (I couldn't find anything about them at their site), which is a shame, their cards were highly regarded. With a little searching, however, I came across someone selling the Multisound Fiji with Digital I/O for $205 at http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/db/202757.html. If this is for real, then it's a fantastic deal, because this card is definitely superior to the Live--it has real digital I/O and crystal clear analog performance, from what the reviews say.   I was about to say that the cards from Echo (http://www.echoaudio.com) would be a bit overboard for your needs, but it seems like they've recently come out with a $250 card, the Mia. If it's anything like their other cards, it should be really fantastic.   Like I said in my previous post, you'll need a phono-preamp as well to to record player->computer recording.   Joshua   -- Joshua Haberman = <joshua@haberman.com> University of Puget Sound = <joshua@debian.org> http://www.reverberate.org = <jhaberman@ups.edu>  
(back) Subject: Re: Tunings & Temperaments From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:04:06 EST   In a message dated 3/31/01 12:26:14 PM EST, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   > > In ET, fifths are tuned to a faster "beat" than fourths when "laying = the > bearings". There is no way you can have Equal Temperament with = "perfect > fifths", period. Research this and get back to us. > hmmmm... I've been tuning just the other way around when "laying the bearing" by = ear.   I was taught that the fifths are flattened to 4 beats in 5 seconds = (roughly) and that fourths are sharpened to 5 beats in 4 seconds (roughly). funny, = but it has worked for me and when I get back to the starting note (either = c=3D512 or a=3D440 depending on which fork I pull out of the box first) it is = almost always right on at the final interval. of course, I perfer to use my electronic reference because in the = business, "time is money" and it is simply faster to go that route. but for those = who don't mind the extra cost (which is moderate anyhow) I will lay the = bearings by ear, and even use non-equal tempering when asked to.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: prayer and guidance From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:51:14 -0500   Yes, right on. Use the resources that are available, but without fear or feeling that you are humbling yourself. As they say,"Pride goeth before = the fall." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: prayer and guidance     > Dear Josh, > You should also form a good stable circle of friends > where you live. Don't always rely on people you meet > on the internet. While some of the peopl on this list > are wise, there are also some who do not have the > experience or know the inner workings of the > profession. This is not meant to insult anyone: I > think everyone here wants to learn something about the > organ and its world. Secondly, your life and everyday > well-being should not revolve around an internet list > and the various opinions expressed on it. That's not > healthy. Developing wonderful, supportive friendships > in your own midst is much healthier--people with whom > you can meet face to face over a cup of coffe and who > will listen to you. I think for your own spiritual, > mental and physical well-being, you need to now focus > on getting beyond the bad experience you had in your > former church and move on with your life. Counseling > from a minister with counseling experience, or a > therapist may help if that is what's needed. But you > need to move on with your good works and talents that > God has given you. > > JW > > --- Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > > Hello all... > > You have all been there for me several times since I > > joined the list, and I > > have sincerely expressed my thanks to all of those > > who have taken the time to > > guide me through these difficult times in my > > life...I want to include that I > > have grown to respect, and trust all of you and it > > is not my intention to > > offend anyone in anyway! > > > > However I am horrified, and saddened by what has > > gone on here for the past > > couple of days. > > > > I have been prompted to post a letter regarding what > > is happening. > > It is my belief that the things that have gone on > > here were not of God. We > > must all realize that if we play, or sing in a > > church, we then become > > disciples, or servants, of God. Well, people in > > these positions are expected > > to have certain standards, and are supposed to be > > above arguing and hurting > > others. We are also too smart to be behaving like > > that. We are organists, > > and as organists, I believe that our frame of mind > > is way above average. In > > order to play this magnificent instrument, we have > > to be of a higher level of > > thinking than most people...which means in order to > > be a true organist, we > > must act like organists! > > With that said, and now that I have caught your > > attention, I will bring you > > to my next point. > > Most of you have read my post about the church that > > lost all of its grace and > > dignity after the pastor left. Well, I was hurt > > very deeply my this church > > and I don't want to see others get hurt like I was. > > Only this time the > > pastor didn't leave, but the very presence of God > > left. The organ was > > originally built as an instrument to aid in the > > worship, and glorification of > > God...And it is our duty, as organists, to continue > > in this tradition, and > > continue using the organ in a way as to glorify the > > Lord! It is my > > understanding that this list used to be very useful, > > and helpful to those who > > were on it. But when god's presence left, it has > > turned into pandemonium of > > insults, greed to be the best, and > > self-righteousness. > > I have written the post (Personal Experience was: to > > those "that have had > > it") to show people what that kind of behavior can > > do to someone, and I will > > resend it so those of you who did not read it, can > > have a chance. > > I never write posts without a lot of thought, and > > prayer behind it. And I > > can only but hope that with the prayer, and > > thoughtfulness, someone who is > > reading my post will learn something, or feel > > better. I think we should all > > take this to heart and start thinking, and praying > > about what we write > > privately and publicly to other people! Since I do > > write posts that really > > mean something, I have gained an astonishingly high > > level of respect from a > > lot of people, and I hope that you all do to. > > Lastly, I must include one more thing. > > I am a very young, inexperienced organist, and I > > need a stable group of > > people to support me, and set examples of what fine > > organists are like. It > > is also your duty, as experienced organists to > > encourage the art of organ > > playing to the younger generations...Instead of > > arguing about pipe organs > > verses electronic organs, think of all the churches > > out there who don't even > > have organs, and can't afford them! Think of all > > the young people who have > > never been exposed to the organ because they have > > never seen one! Think of > > all the young people who would have never learned to > > play the organ if it > > weren't for the electronic organ. And last, think > > of all the great pipe > > organs that will sit unplayed and unheard, if you > > don't recruit new > > organists, and set a good example for them! > > This is all I have to say. This is all I need to > > say. I want you all to > > know, that I have in no way intended to point > > fingers, or offend anyone in > > any way! It is my desire only to give you the point > > of view of a very young, > > very confused person! > > Thank you for reading those of you who made it to > > this point without falling > > asleep! > > Sorry about the length, but it needed to be said. > > > > josh > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables Ect, ( off topic sorta ) From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:17:54 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Haberman" <joshua@haberman.com>   ? > > If you're really convinced that the Sound Blaster Live isn't enough to > suit your needs, the next step up is probably either something from > Turtle Beach   I replaced my Turtle Beach card with one from SEK'D. There is absolutely = NO comparison. I started over with most of the stuff I had already = transferred to CD from other media. The same holds true for software. EZ CD creator, which is bundled with most CD burners is no match for the burning capabilities of pro software. I use Steinberg Wavelab. The algorithyms used to change the sampling rate (48 K for DAT to 44.1K for CD) are also superior in pro level products. Pro level stuff is vastly different from consumer goods IMHO. FYI Radio Shack sells a small 9V battery operated phono preamp, about $20.00 if I remember. Does a very nice job. Most of the vinyl I have transferred to CD with has not been in pristine = condition, so I would not know the esoteric sonic properties of the preamp.   C. Joseph Nichols http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com