PipeChat Digest #2079 - Friday, May 4, 2001
 
Re: go easy on Desert Bob
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: go easy on Desert Bob
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Arthur's CD
  by "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com>
Back to you Bob
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Teacher
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Go easy on desertBob
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
I'm subbing for a while!
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Happy birthday, Virgil
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: go easy on Desert Bob
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Back to you Bob
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Teacher
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: Teacher
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Teacher
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Teacher
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
back to you, Bob
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: go easy on Desert Bob From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 06:56:49 -0500   Guys, please! There are ladies present.   Glenda Sutton (who has never been accused of being a lady)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>   > At 23:40 5/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: > Yeah, well!! When you get older it's difficult to "tee"...... heeheehee <snip> > > ...gets harder to wipe yer hiney as you get older, too, as well as read the > paper without your glasses while on the throne. I get so discouraged at > times....        
(back) Subject: Re: go easy on Desert Bob From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:18:12 -0400       Glenda wrote: > > Guys, please! There are ladies present. > > Glenda Sutton (who has never been accused of being a lady)   I Apologize on behalf of the Entire List.   Stan       <fart>       ;-)  
(back) Subject: Arthur's CD From: "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 06:55:16 -0700 (PDT)   I unsubscribed twice, and continue to receive the List, so perhaps God has His Ways. <g>   I have listened to Arthur LaMirande's CD and it is glorious. I highly recommend it. I thought the obscure composers in which he revels sound a lot like Tournemire. It's the same style, and no idea why Tournemire got famous and these other guys fell off the charts. Sometimes I tell my rehab clients that just because they've never heard of something might reflect their lack of awareness. For sure, I wasn't aware of these composers and I'm grateful that Arthur championed them, for my own music education, if nothing else. I have two degrees in organ performance from Peabody College at Vanderbilt University, and rather obviously, one can't learn about every composer in the span of such a short time. I rely on the Arthurs of the world to continue my music education.   To listen to Arthur's MP3 clips, go to www.mp3 and do a key word search by LaMirande. He pops up. Click on his link, and list to all three clips. And please order the CD. You'll be very pleased with what you hear. (I don't get a commission, BTW.<g>) He plays like he has a direct connection to St. Cecilia.   Marilyn T. Oakes, CRC, LPC, CLCP Certified Pain Practitioner     --- PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> wrote: > PipeChat Digest #2078 - Friday, May 4, 2001 > > Re: go easy on Desert Bob > by "Jackson R. Williams II" > <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> > Re: paging Bob > by "Bob Scarborough" > <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Re: go easy on Desert Bob > by "Bob Scarborough" > <desertbob@rglobal.net> > > >
(back) Subject: Back to you Bob From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:59:57 -0400   Bob, these kinds of remarks I really have a problem with...   At 08:29 5/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Bob, unless you have specifically heard the recording<snip>   I have. It sucked.   >... and had the pleasure to play one of these magnificent instruments<snip>   I have. It sucked, too.   dB   OK... the straight truth is "you didn't like it".... music is an art form, I can't stand listening to theater organ music... that doesn't mean that the player is any less gifted, or the music or the organ sucks, and I would never tout that opinion publicly.   I'm sure there are a lot of learned people out there that would agree to disagree with you on the both the historical and performance issues of the music and organs that in your opinion "suck". It goes without saying that blanket statements (it sucks) serves no purpose in the wide spectrum of organ literature or the spirit of art in general. The only plausible excuse for such statements is that you just can't think of any other intelligent argument to express your opinions. But, I don't have to defend any of the major builders and their instruments... their prestigious contracts and the demand for their instruments speaks for itself! Music and organ design and building, and different performance characteristics are as wide as the color spectrum, and we all have our favorite color.... It would be a pretty boring place to have the organ police dictate what type of organs are to be built, what types of literature is played, and the specific performance techniques or style of playing are to be employed.... except to a very few!   Wayne    
(back) Subject: Teacher From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:05:33 -0400   Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ privately and not = thru and institution (as it were!)? >  
(back) Subject: Re: Go easy on desertBob From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:10:11 EDT     --part1_b6.150f9d45.28241243_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   We may rethink this idea when he starts reviewing Carlo. While I usually spend my days in apoplexy in the office, I guess I could use a different = sort of the same on this site. Whip it on him Carlo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Best to all (Tee Hee Hee....I can still tee in up with the best of em!) Dennis R.   --part1_b6.150f9d45.28241243_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>We may rethink this = idea when he starts reviewing Carlo. &nbsp;While I usually <BR>spend my days in apoplexy in the office, I guess I could use a = different sort <BR>of the same on this site. &nbsp;Whip it on him <BR>Carlo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR> <BR>Best to all (Tee Hee Hee....I can still tee in up with the best of = em!) <BR>Dennis R. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_b6.150f9d45.28241243_boundary--  
(back) Subject: I'm subbing for a while! From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:22:15 EDT     --part1_13.1541a0d8.28241517_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Listers,   I'm FINALLY feeling good enough to get back on the bench. The last time I =   played was almost exactly a year ago. Pedalwork is still a mighty strain = on my back, since the last surgery used one of my ab muscles for breast reconstruction and the remaining one isn't built up enough - yet. I'm in physical therapy, so I'm hoping that won't last long!   I will be the interim organist for Christ Episcopal Church in Sag Harbor, = NY, for the month of May. It's so good to be playing again!   Vicki Ceruti   The organ: Moller Opus 11035, 1975. Not big, but suitable for the room = - not much carpeting, relatively small space, with a lovely high arched wood =   ceiling. Church c. 1850.   Great Larigot 1 1/3 Spitz Octav 2 Spitz Principal 4 Holzflote 4 Clarion 4 Swell 4 Holz Gedeckt 8 Gemshorn 8 Trompette 8 Swell 16 Tremolo   Swell Holzflote 2 Octave 4 Great 4 Gemshorn 8 Holz Gedeckt 8 Principal 8 Great 16 Swell to Great Swell to Great 4 Swell to Great 16   Pedal Holzflote 4 Holz Gedeckt 8 Bordun 16 Swell to Pedal 4 Great to Pedal Swell to Pedal   --part1_13.1541a0d8.28241517_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Dear Listers, <BR> <BR>I'm FINALLY feeling good enough to get back on the bench. &nbsp;The = last time I <BR>played was almost exactly a year ago. &nbsp;&nbsp;Pedalwork is still a = mighty strain on <BR>my back, since the last surgery used one of my ab muscles for breast <BR>reconstruction and the remaining one isn't built up enough - yet. = &nbsp;I'm in <BR>physical therapy, so I'm hoping that won't last long! <BR> <BR>I will be the interim organist for Christ Episcopal Church in Sag = Harbor, NY, <BR>for the month of May. &nbsp;It's so good to be playing again! <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti <BR> <BR>The organ: &nbsp;&nbsp;Moller Opus 11035, 1975. &nbsp;Not big, but = suitable for the room - <BR>not much carpeting, relatively small space, with a lovely high arched = wood <BR>ceiling. &nbsp;Church c. 1850. <BR> <BR>Great <BR>Larigot 1 1/3 <BR>Spitz Octav 2 <BR>Spitz Principal 4 <BR>Holzflote 4 <BR>Clarion 4 <BR>Swell 4 <BR>Holz Gedeckt 8 <BR>Gemshorn 8 <BR>Trompette 8 <BR>Swell 16 <BR>Tremolo <BR> <BR>Swell <BR>Holzflote 2 <BR>Octave 4 <BR>Great 4 <BR>Gemshorn 8 <BR>Holz Gedeckt 8 <BR>Principal 8 <BR>Great 16 <BR>Swell to Great <BR>Swell to Great 4 <BR>Swell to Great 16 <BR> <BR>Pedal <BR>Holzflote 4 <BR>Holz Gedeckt 8 <BR>Bordun 16 <BR>Swell to Pedal 4 <BR>Great to Pedal <BR>Swell to Pedal</FONT></HTML>   --part1_13.1541a0d8.28241517_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Happy birthday, Virgil From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:37:29 -0500   Yesterday being Virgil Fox's birthday, I have uploaded to ScorchMusic.com = a little "remembrance" in the form of an arrangement of "All Through the Night" in the manner of Dr. Fox. It is only two pages. Any FoxFans on the list can find it by going to: http://members.scorchmusic.com/robertehrhardt/   and clicking on the title. You will need the Scorch2 plugin for your browser; it is also available from the selfsame website. If you see = anything else you like, please download and print away! End of commercial.   Robert Ehrhardt Noel Memorial UMC Shreveport, LA    
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:43:52 -0400   okay Bob, let's see how good you are. You knew it was an Allen just by listening. Can you tell what stops I was using, and what cards I had = loaded? hehe!!!   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: go easy on Desert Bob From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT)   OOOOOOOOOOOh, we ARE getting a bit off-topic here, aren't we?   --- Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> wrote: > At 23:40 5/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: > Yeah, well!! When you get older it's difficult to > "tee"...... heeheehee <snip> > > ...gets harder to wipe yer hiney as you get older, > too, as well as read the > paper without your glasses while on the throne. I > get so discouraged at > times.... > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Back to you Bob From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:11:49 -0700   At 09:59 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >OK... the straight truth is "you didn't like it"<snip>   Neither do a lot of other people. The Flentrop in question now spends most= =20 of its time gathering dust, since IT CANNOT PLAY A LOT OF THE=20 LITERATURE! Are we CLEAR on this now? Fesperman's proclamation that all=20 organs should be retro-faddish, chiffy, underwinded screechers simply=20 because of the great volume of Bach's compositional output was ridiculous=20 on its face, as were many of his proposed organs.   >I'm sure there are a lot of learned people out there that would agree to=20 >disagree with you on the both the historical and performance issues of the= =20 >music and organs that in your opinion "suck".<snip>   ....so this makes MY observations any LESS valid?? Part of the reason the=20 organ has been in such steep decline as a performance medium is EXACTLY=20 because of the pontifications of some of the hoity-toity academics that=20 have propelled the current fads in organ building to their current=20 status. Another part is the fact that the organ in the 20th century in the= =20 US, after the demise of the theater organ in the '30s, was pretty much=20 consigned to be nothing more than a "church appliance". People don't want= =20 to "go to church" to be entertained, period.   >It goes without saying that blanket statements (it sucks) serves no=20 >purpose in the wide spectrum of organ literature or the spirit of art in=20 >general.<snip>   Wrong. Franck on an old Germanic tracker doth INDEED=20 sucketh...mightily. The organs of Cavaill=E9-C=F6ll, tonally, had not much= in=20 common with their Cliqout ancestors, even though some of the pipework was= =20 indeed reused (Toulouse). Franck composed for these instruments, NOT their= =20 Baroque predecessors.   >their prestigious contracts and the demand for their instruments speaks=20 >for itself!<snip>   People that "buy" these organs usually are rich "art patrons" without a=20 clue as to musical validity...case in point, Wizzley...another one,=20 Seattle, a "Microsoft Money" production. It's all social circle prestige=20 to them. Perhaps they just don't want to HEAR from people that have to=20 play the darned things, and just search for artists that happen to like=20 them? And, somehow, this codifies their justification? The success at=20 Jacksonville of an organ of a far different era proves otherwise.   >It would be a pretty boring place to have the organ police dictate what=20 >type of organs are to be built, what types of literature is played, and=20 >the specific performance techniques or style of playing are to be=20 >employed.... except to a very few!<snip>   Don't look now, but that's already HAPPENED!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Teacher From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:14:58 -0700   At 10:05 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ privately and not >thru and institution (as it were!)?<snip>   Smart choice! Beware of tenured academics!   dB    
(back) Subject: RE: Teacher From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:07:41 -0400   That's what I meant by "institution (as it were)." BTW the silence has = been deafening. Maybe I should say I am an organist with experience who is just returning after a long absence and would like some advice. Or...maybe I shouldn't say that!! What?     > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Scarborough [mailto:desertbob@rglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:15 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Teacher > > > At 10:05 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ > privately and not > >thru and institution (as it were!)?<snip> > > Smart choice! Beware of tenured academics! > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: RE: Teacher From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:10:45 -0500   Robert:   You might also check with William Entriken, organist and choirmaster at First Presbyterian. I know a couple of his students (Lana and Daniel).   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:08 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Teacher     That's what I meant by "institution (as it were)." BTW the silence has = been deafening. Maybe I should say I am an organist with experience who is just returning after a long absence and would like some advice. Or...maybe I shouldn't say that!! What?     > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Scarborough [mailto:desertbob@rglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:15 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Teacher > > > At 10:05 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ > privately and not > >thru and institution (as it were!)?<snip> > > Smart choice! Beware of tenured academics! > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Teacher From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:14:54 -0400   I just attended a concert of his about a month ago. I live close by on = 10th St @ 3 Av. I'm just looking for someone to give me some input and = critique. I don't want weekly lessons or need extensive priming...I hope!!! I'm not young, yet not decrepit either.   > -----Original Message----- > From: Storandt, Peter [mailto:pstorandt@okcu.edu] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:11 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: Teacher > > > Robert: > > You might also check with William Entriken, organist and > choirmaster at > First Presbyterian. I know a couple of his students (Lana > and Daniel). > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:08 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: Teacher > > > That's what I meant by "institution (as it were)." BTW the > silence has been > deafening. Maybe I should say I am an organist with > experience who is just > returning after a long absence and would like some advice. > Or...maybe I > shouldn't say that!! What? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Scarborough [mailto:desertbob@rglobal.net] > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:15 PM > > To: PipeChat > > Subject: Re: Teacher > > > > > > At 10:05 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ > > privately and not > > >thru and institution (as it were!)?<snip> > > > > Smart choice! Beware of tenured academics! > > > > dB > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:43:06 -0700   At 11:43 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >okay Bob, let's see how good you are. You knew it was an Allen just by >listening. Can you tell what stops I was using, and what cards I had >loaded?<snip>   No, but the incessant celesting of the two computers was giveaway enough = of the dual computer Allen.   Back when Allen introduced their card readers, many utilities and businesses still used IBM cards for billing statements. Shoving ones gas or electric bill into the slot was always cause for great jocularity, except once I remember my Southern California Gas bill rendered a pretty good trompette! At the time, I was doing Fourier analysis of organ stops ("sampling", people call it today, I guess) using a Hewlett-Packard wave analyzer and a Neumann microphone, much like Allen and Saville were doing.   By using the amplitude data thus derived, and "cracking" the card code, I was able to "plug" data from whatever organ I sampled into the cards. The =   problem with MOS (and later) was quickly apparent...lack of scaling prevented realism across the compass; each stop would bear good fidelity = in only a narrow range. I was, as were many others, surprised to find that the human ear was indeed a poor enough detector of phase relationships of various harmonics, so the old argument that "asymmetrical waveforms are = the only way to replicate real organ tone" went out the window. Research in the audio industry also confirmed this in the '70s, although there are still many who feel that symmetrical waveforms, as provided by the Allen system then, are inherently distinguishable from non-symmetrical. Of course, MOST real organ tones ARE asymmetrical in wave shape, as measured by a calibrated microphone and viewed on an oscilloscope. Allen's analog models, which had less fidelity overall to the prototype, indeed made asymmetrical wave forms on all but its flute voices.   It was an interesting study, on which I wrote a couple of papers that got me through school, but I decided there were other things in life I wanted to pursue besides being holed up in musty churches all day "sniffing" pipe =   tones!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:28:56 -0400   that's because I had the 'celeste tuning' tab on..........    
(back) Subject: back to you, Bob From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:26:25 -0700   The Cactus-Hugger hath an air of the iconoclast about him (grin), and he'd BETTER come get that dead Hamsucki out of my back hall pretty soon before I haul it to the beach for a weinie roast (grin), BUT, he maketh good points (sorry, been typing 1549 Prayer Book texts all day).   The second generation of the Organ Reform Movement (late GDH, Schlicker and Holtkamp being the first) in this country did indeed seize upon some half-understood principles and voicing practices which, if applied to the average acoustically dead American room produced ear-bleeding screech-monsters with boxing-glove key actions. But, if anything, European builders who built for American rooms were MORE guilty ... they simply didn't understand the ENORMOUS differences.   As Allen discovered to their sorrow recently, unmodified Cavaille-Coll samples (even) DON'T translate well ... Cavaille-Coll organs sound like HELL in the organ-loft ... rattle, clatter, honk ... for the most part .... but he voiced for those enormous French churches ... DOWNSTAIRS, they sound like the angels and archangels.   Harrison KNEW how to make Cavaille-Coll reeds ... he DIDN'T, for that very reason. They don't WORK in dead rooms.   SOME things can and should be adopted ... reasonable wind-pressures and scales, encasement, slider chests (get over it, Bob ... they last FOREVER), tracker action IN SOME CASES, etc. ... all those things were used successfully by NINETEENTH-CENTURY American builders, who voiced and scaled by EAR, rather than by RULE.   If an organ requires the versatility of a sophisticated combination action and/or a moveable console, then by all means have a solid-state combination action and/or electric key action to slider chests. That's just SENSIBLE.   Bud-By-The-Beach