PipeChat Digest #2080 - Friday, May 4, 2001
 
Re: go easy on Desert Bob
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: go easy on Desert Bob
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Arthur's CD
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Teacher
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Go easy on desertBob
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Happy birthday, Virgil
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: paging Bob
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: Happy birthday, Virgil
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: go easy on Desert Bob From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:47:56 EDT     --part1_45.61240c6.28247d8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 4:54:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:     > Glenda Sutton (who has never been accused of being a lady) > >   Youuuuuuuuu are a laaaaaaaaaaadyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! yaaaa ya ya yaaaaa yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!   (how does it feel!!) ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_45.61240c6.28247d8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 4:54:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Glenda Sutton (who = has never been accused of being a lady) <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Youuuuuuuuu are a laaaaaaaaaaadyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! &nbsp; <BR>yaaaa ya ya yaaaaa &nbsp;yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! <BR> <BR>(how does it feel!!) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_45.61240c6.28247d8c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: go easy on Desert Bob From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:56:51 EDT     --part1_d.1405bfeb.28247fa3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Stan, That was just toooooooooooo well done!!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d.1405bfeb.28247fa3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Stan, <BR>That was just toooooooooooo well done!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d.1405bfeb.28247fa3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Arthur's CD From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:08:13 EDT     --part1_102.29b28dc.2824824d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 6:56:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, marilynoakes@yahoo.com writes:     > I have listened to Arthur LaMirande's CD and it is > glorious. I highly recommend it.   Ditto! and Ditto!   Arthur's CD is really great listening. And the organ is wonderful, too. =   It's from that era of rich and beefy voicing that is the "sound" audiences =   want to hear. Arthur uses it very creatively, exploring the soft as well = as the grandiose!   Unfortunately, I can get MP3's... but the CD is great.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_102.29b28dc.2824824d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 6:56:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>marilynoakes@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have listened to = Arthur LaMirande's CD and it is <BR>glorious. I highly recommend it. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Ditto! &nbsp;&nbsp;and Ditto! <BR> <BR>Arthur's CD is really great listening. &nbsp;&nbsp;And the organ is = wonderful, too. &nbsp; <BR>It's from that era of rich and beefy voicing that is the "sound" = audiences <BR>want to hear. &nbsp;&nbsp;Arthur uses it very creatively, exploring = the soft as well as <BR>the grandiose! <BR> <BR>Unfortunately, I can get MP3's... &nbsp;but the CD is great. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_102.29b28dc.2824824d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Teacher From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:11:09 EDT     --part1_ac.148ee686.282482fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 7:06:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Is there anyone on this list in NYC who teaches organ privately and not = thru > and institution (as it were!)? >   You might try contacting some of the "biggy" organists in NYC to see if = they might have advanced students who would like to teach. I did that in my early days and learned a great deal vicariously from the "masters."   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ac.148ee686.282482fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 7:06:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is there anyone on = this list in NYC who teaches organ privately and not thru <BR>and institution (as it were!)? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>You might try contacting some of the "biggy" organists in NYC to see = if they <BR>might have advanced students who would like to teach. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = did that in my <BR>early days and learned a great deal vicariously from the "masters." <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ac.148ee686.282482fd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Go easy on desertBob From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:14:50 EDT     --part1_7c.153a7118.282483da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 7:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, StatRussell@aol.com writes:     > Best to all (Tee Hee Hee....I can still tee in up with the best of em!) > Laff whilst you can.... your day will come!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_7c.153a7118.282483da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 7:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>StatRussell@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Best to all (Tee = Hee Hee....I can still tee in up with the best of em!) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Laff whilst you can.... &nbsp;your day will = come!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7c.153a7118.282483da_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Virgil From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:45:50 EDT     --part1_5b.156c92f2.28248b1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 7:35:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, r_ehrh@bellsouth.net writes:     > http://members.scorchmusic.com/robertehrhardt/ > >   Robert, Thanks for the Foxian "All Through the Night". Can't wait to get to the =   Celestes and Trems tomorrow!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_5b.156c92f2.28248b1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 7:35:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>r_ehrh@bellsouth.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">http://members.scorchmusic.com/robertehrhardt/ <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Robert, <BR>Thanks for the Foxian "All Through the Night". &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can't = wait to get to the <BR>Celestes and Trems tomorrow!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5b.156c92f2.28248b1e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:07:07 -0500   At 04:28 PM 5/4/01 -0400, Carlo wrote: >that's because I had the 'celeste tuning' tab on.......... >     Ohh, My. . . . . . .   When you were playing the WHAT......???!!   Oh, well...<slightly dizzy at the thought>...whatever...<g>   Tim (who doesn't want to deal with Napster to hear for myself)      
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:06:58 -0400   that's okay Tim. You're not missing much.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:19:19 EDT   Hey All, A church I know is puting new all-purpose carpeting in and wanted = to know if they should carpet their little 16 by 20 choir room or leave it = with linoleum. Anyone have any suggestions?   -Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Re: paging Bob From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:21:28 -0700   At 16:28 5/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >that's because I had the 'celeste tuning' tab on...<snip>   Lots of people make this mistake, similar to having all the Gyros going at =   "medium" speed on full organ on the analog models of MY era! It makes the =   organ sound, for a split second, like a dreadfully out of tune french organ, but then the rhythm of the beats makes itself apparent, and the brain immediately recognizes "it's either two computers or a BEEEEG = Leslie"!   For ensembles, I'd nix the "celeste tuning"...it sounds rather hokey.   dB    
(back) Subject: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:47:09 -0400   I used it for one reason only: a representative from the Casavant organ company came to the church during a rehearsal, and said the 'celeste = tuning' feature made the organ sound more natural, like a real pipe organ, since even the finest of pipe organs are always in a constant state of going out of tune.....similar to the 'random detuning' feature on some Rodgers = models, like the one I own (960). It's all a matter of personal preference I suppose. It really didn't bother me at all, and most of the time, I didn't even notice the difference.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:12:42 EDT     --part1_6f.14c01bec.2824ad8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Peter, I prefer carpeting in a choir room. The general rule of thumb is = that you want the performing space to be more live or reverberant than the rehearsal space.   Lively rehearsal rooms tend to mask a lot of what's going on chorally. = And they can really add to headaches if there are children's choirs.   Drier acoustic helps everyone hear better in rehearsal, especially the director.   I would recommend a blue or some other soft color. Shy away from reds, pinks, those kinds of colors.   Neil B       --part1_6f.14c01bec.2824ad8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Peter, I prefer = carpeting in a choir room. &nbsp;The general rule of thumb is that <BR>you want the performing space to be more live or reverberant than the <BR>rehearsal space. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Lively rehearsal rooms tend to mask a lot of what's going on chorally. = &nbsp;And <BR>they can really add to headaches if there are children's choirs. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Drier acoustic helps everyone hear better in rehearsal, especially the =   <BR>director. <BR> <BR>I would recommend a blue or some other soft color. &nbsp;Shy away from = reds, <BR>pinks, those kinds of colors. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.14c01bec.2824ad8a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:17:31 -0700   This just in from the e-org list. Now, how many 1967 M=F8llers, =C6-Ss,=20 Crashavants, what have you, can match THIS record for=20 reliability? Answer: NONE. Add to this the hundreds of thousands of=20 kilowatt-hours of electricity saved, and you see why the electronic poseur= =20 is taking over ever more.   Quoting the post:   "Well, Jan, congratulations on (Rodgers) Model 36C, #35229. This organ has= =20 been in constant use since 1967 with only a routine maintenance call once a= =20 year. Just one serious failure - a zener diode in the power supply gave up= =20 six or seven years ago. In about 1990 we cleaned all the pots and revoiced= =20 it. Last week all it needed was a couple of small electrolytic caps, a #19= =20 bulb, and a little spot tuning.   Is the organ out of date? Of course. Does the church want to replace=20 it? Not on your life. It's outlived four organists, uncountable choir=20 directors and a mess of preachers - and still does a great job of leading=20 worship. Its only real weakness is an outsourced Klann combination action= =20 (ka-CHUNK!) that you can hear in the next county."   Out of date, yes, but I played a Rodgers 36D (same thing, with drawknobs)=20 and have to admit it did a FINE job for the "average" church that's not=20 trying to impress anyone. This isn't a fluke, either, as MANY original 20= =20 and 30 series Rodgerses and TC-model Allens crank up reliably every Sunday= =20 to do their jobs as "church appliances". Not so for as many pipe organs!   To further rub salt in the wound, I know of at least three 1940s Allens=20 (B-T and W-T models) that are still in regular Sunday service, all without= =20 major dollar expenditures over the years for maintenance and=20 repairs. They've most DEFINITELY disproved the "pipe organs last longer"=20 sales pitch! Someone had better get the heads-up and start modernizing the= =20 pipe organ for such reliability.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:45:10 -0700   Nope. Sorry, Bob. We moved and restored a 28-stop 1890 Koehnken & Grimm = tracker from Holy Cross Monastery to the Shrine of the Immaculata in Cincinnati in = the 1970s. That organ hadn't seen an organ tech in DECADES, and it was still playing perfectly well when we took it down.   Volunteers removed the pipes and the case; an organ-builder took down the chassis and the wind system. We cleaned the pipes and stripped fourteen = coats of paint off the case; he releathered the reservoir (including the = feeders, so it could be hand-pumped) and set up the chassis in its new home. We re-installed the pipes and the case-work; he tuned it. It'll play for = another hundred years, at LEAST.   Total cost: less than $5000. You can't BUY an electronic organ for that = today, at least not a NEW one. And we COULD have done WITHOUT releathering the reservoir ... but since the organ was apart and it was one of those HUGE single-rise ones that you couldn't get to WITHOUT taking the organ apart, = it was better to go ahead and do it. Otherwise trying to do it in place later would have been a NIGHTMARE, and would have probably resulted in it being = sawed up and replaced by modern double-rise ones.   Granted, it was a local move ... just across Mt. Adams from one church to another ... and we had the Organ Dept. at the Conservatory to draw on for = help, and parishioners ... but we got it done, and done cheaply.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:00:47 -0500   Uh, how many hours, volunteers and other donations does it take to move an electronic. I'm all for saving old pipes, but lets's face it your group moved it cheaply because of the free help. Try hiring a pipe builder to dismantle, crate, rebuild, reassemble and re-voice an instrument that = size. The electronic wins this battle. (all arguments about pipe v. electronic sounds aside). Jeff   > Nope. Sorry, Bob. We moved and restored a 28-stop 1890 Koehnken & Grimm tracker > from Holy Cross Monastery to the Shrine of the Immaculata in Cincinnati = in the > 1970s. That organ hadn't seen an organ tech in DECADES, and it was still > playing perfectly well when we took it down. > > Volunteers removed the pipes and the case; an organ-builder took down = the > chassis and the wind system. We cleaned the pipes and stripped fourteen coats > of paint off the case; he releathered the reservoir (including the feeders, so > it could be hand-pumped) and set up the chassis in its new home. We > re-installed the pipes and the case-work; he tuned it. It'll play for another > hundred years, at LEAST. > > Total cost: less than $5000. You can't BUY an electronic organ for that today, > at least not a NEW one. And we COULD have done WITHOUT releathering the > reservoir ... but since the organ was apart and it was one of those = HUGE > single-rise ones that you couldn't get to WITHOUT taking the organ = apart, it > was better to go ahead and do it. Otherwise trying to do it in place = later > would have been a NIGHTMARE, and would have probably resulted in it = being sawed > up and replaced by modern double-rise ones. > > Granted, it was a local move ... just across Mt. Adams from one church = to > another ... and we had the Organ Dept. at the Conservatory to draw on = for help, > and parishioners ... but we got it done, and done cheaply. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Virgil From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:47:03 -0400   And...yesterday was the birthday of Marcel Dupre!   Cake anyone?   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] orge@dreamscape.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Ehrhardt <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Happy birthday, Virgil        
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 19:50:48 -0700   At 21:00 5/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Uh, how many hours, volunteers and other donations does it take to move = an >electronic.<snip>   One guy, one truck and a set of Roll-Or-Karis...DONE!   >The electronic wins this battle. (all arguments about pipe v. electronic >sounds aside).<snip>   :::dB gloats at BuuD-by-the-BeacH:::   the HUGE single riser SHOULD have been sawed up, anyway! The things do = NOT regulate as well as more modern inverse double-risers...it's a fact of physics..."constant volume" an all, yew know.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:01:21 EDT   Hi pete:   Leave the linoleum alone! Choir rooms need to be alive acoustically. You don't want it to sound like the church do you? :)   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:06:32 EDT     --part1_6e.a480bed.2824d648_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 4:20:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Oboe32@aol.com =   writes:     > , > A church I know is puting new all-purpose carpeting in and = wanted > to > know if they should carpet their little 16 by 20 choir room or leave it > with > linoleum. Anyone have any suggestions? > >   I would say NO! Although you don't want a really live small room for rehearsals, singing in a room deadened with carpet is very strenuous = because it's so hard to hear yourself or anyone around you because the sound = cannot travel. I would leave the linoleum, regardless of ugliness, and do = whatever acoustic control you want with adjustable draperies.   In my opinion, carpet is ALWAYS a cop-out!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6e.a480bed.2824d648_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 4:20:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Oboe32@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">, <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A church I know is puting = new all-purpose carpeting in and wanted <BR>to <BR>know if they should carpet their little 16 by 20 choir room or leave = it <BR>with <BR>linoleum. Anyone have any suggestions? <BR> <BR> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I would say NO! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Although you don't want a really = live small room for <BR>rehearsals, singing in a room deadened with carpet is very strenuous = because <BR>it's so hard to hear yourself or anyone around you because the sound = cannot <BR>travel. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would leave the linoleum, regardless of = ugliness, and do whatever <BR>acoustic control you want with adjustable draperies. <BR> <BR>In my opinion, carpet is ALWAYS a cop-out! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6e.a480bed.2824d648_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:08:13 EDT     --part1_77.142c3e14.2824d6ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 4:50:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > I used it for one reason only: a representative from the Casavant organ > company came to the church during a rehearsal, and said the 'celeste = tuning' > feature made the organ sound more natural   Great trick. Pipe organ guy comes in and gives you advice to make your electronic sound worse! Oh, Lord! Will it even end!! heeheehee   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_77.142c3e14.2824d6ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 4:50:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I used it for one = reason only: a representative from the Casavant organ <BR>company came to the church during a rehearsal, and said the 'celeste = tuning' <BR>feature made the organ sound more natural</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Great trick. &nbsp;Pipe organ guy comes in and gives you advice to = make your <BR>electronic sound worse! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, Lord! &nbsp;&nbsp;Will = it even end!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_77.142c3e14.2824d6ad_boundary--