PipeChat Digest #2081 - Saturday, May 5, 2001
 
Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: I'm subbing for a while!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: celeste tuning
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: celeste tuning
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:10:50 EDT     --part1_d.141209a5.2824d74a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 6:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > They've most DEFINITELY disproved the "pipe organs last longer" > sales pitch!   But nobody has mentioned that they had to LISTEN to this thing all that = time! Sheesh, what is organ music about anyway... but the sound. I'd rather listen to a hammond!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d.141209a5.2824d74a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 6:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>desertbob@rglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">They've most = DEFINITELY disproved the "pipe organs last longer" <BR>sales pitch! &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>But nobody has mentioned that they had to LISTEN to this thing all = that time! <BR>&nbsp;Sheesh, what is organ music about anyway... but the sound. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I'd rather <BR>listen to a hammond! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d.141209a5.2824d74a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:11:05 -0400   Bruce.......   you said that the 'celeste tuning' would make the organ sound worse? Okay, here are 2 questions for you, and I'd like an answer to both of them.   1) Have you ever heard the 'random detuning' feature on Rodgers organs? 2) Do you think 'random detuning' makes Rodgers organs sound bad?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: I'm subbing for a while! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:14:18 EDT     --part1_40.b20bf9d.2824d81a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Vicki, Glad to hear you're back in the saddle. But take it easy. Two things you =   might consider:   One is music for manuals which would go far in relieving strain on your = back. For hymns just use a 16 stop or coupler.   Second, you might consider running by a sporting good store and buying a stadium seat, which has a back on it and doesn't need to be attached to = the bench.   Prayers continue!         Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_40.b20bf9d.2824d81a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vicki, <BR>Glad to hear you're back in the saddle. But take it easy. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Two things you <BR>might consider: <BR> <BR>One is music for manuals which would go far in relieving strain on = your back. <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;For hymns just use a 16 stop or coupler. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Second, you might consider running by a sporting good store and buying = a <BR>stadium seat, which &nbsp;has a back on it and doesn't need to be = attached to the <BR>bench. <BR> <BR>Prayers continue! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_40.b20bf9d.2824d81a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:14:22 -0400   Bruce.......   I also noticed that you didn't quote my entire post, but only the part = that would make your point more valid. Please don't say anything about anyone, because no one's perfect, and that includes you.   'pipe organ guy'............I would think that anyone from Casavant is = much more than a 'pipe organ guy'. This company is world famous, and has been around for a very long time. No one in their right mind can deny that.   Let's all remember to keep any negative, derogatory comments to ourselves. No one has to crap on anyone to strengthen their point.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:19:39 EDT     --part1_3f.149ca1db.2824d95b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 7:00:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = jakorns@home.com writes:     > Uh, how many hours, volunteers and other donations does it take to move = an > electronic. I'm all for saving old pipes, but lets's face it your group > moved it cheaply because of the free help. Try hiring a pipe builder to > dismantle, crate, rebuild, reassemble and re-voice an instrument that = size. > The electronic wins this battle. (all arguments about pipe v. electronic > sounds aside). >   Well, if this is the criteria. The church deserves an electronic. = People are just too unwilling to put forth reasonable effort to accomplish = things. Laziness reaps appropriate rewards. Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3f.149ca1db.2824d95b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 7:00:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jakorns@home.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Uh, how many = hours, volunteers and other donations does it take to move an <BR>electronic. &nbsp;I'm all for saving old pipes, but lets's face it = your group <BR>moved it cheaply because of the free help. &nbsp;Try hiring a pipe = builder to <BR>dismantle, crate, rebuild, reassemble and re-voice an instrument that = size. <BR>The electronic wins this battle. (all arguments about pipe v. = electronic <BR>sounds aside). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Well, if this is the criteria. &nbsp;The church deserves an = electronic. &nbsp;&nbsp;People <BR>are just too unwilling to put forth reasonable effort to accomplish = things. &nbsp; <BR>Laziness reaps appropriate rewards. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.149ca1db.2824d95b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:34:38 EDT     --part1_d6.62ca987.2824dcde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > 1) Have you ever heard the 'random detuning' feature on Rodgers organs? > 2) Do you think 'random detuning' makes Rodgers organs sound bad? > >   Yes and Yes. There is a difference between presence and being out of = tune. I even have a low tolerance for celestes! Pipes draw and resonate together. The constant fuzziness of detuned electronics only makes them sound more artificial to me.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d6.62ca987.2824dcde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 9:18:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">1) Have you ever = heard the 'random detuning' feature on Rodgers organs? <BR>2) Do you think 'random detuning' makes Rodgers organs sound bad? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Yes and Yes. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There is a difference between presence = and being out of tune. <BR>&nbsp;I even have a low tolerance for celestes! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pipes draw and resonate <BR>together. &nbsp;The constant fuzziness of detuned electronics only = makes them <BR>sound more artificial to me. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d6.62ca987.2824dcde_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:36:31 EDT     --part1_f.13d2efdf.2824dd4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 9:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > 'pipe organ guy'............I would think that anyone from Casavant is = much > more than a 'pipe organ guy'. This company is world famous, and has been > around for a very long time. No one in their right mind can deny that. > > Let's all remember to keep any negative, derogatory comments to = ourselves. > No one has to crap on anyone to strengthen their point. > >   Thank you, mother. It was humor! Just one more thing that can't be electronically or digitally reproduced, apparently! ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f.13d2efdf.2824dd4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 9:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">'pipe organ = guy'............I would think that anyone from Casavant is much <BR>more than a 'pipe organ guy'. This company is world famous, and has = been <BR>around for a very long time. No one in their right mind can deny that. <BR> <BR>Let's all remember to keep any negative, derogatory comments to = ourselves. <BR>No one has to crap on anyone to strengthen their point. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Thank you, mother. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was humor! &nbsp;&nbsp;Just = one more thing that can't be <BR>electronically or digitally reproduced, apparently! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f.13d2efdf.2824dd4f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:37:32 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D4F3.308A8620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Not to beat a dead horse Bruce, but I wasn't commenting on the merits of = =3D moving the organ. Bob's original rebuttal concerned the economics of =3D electronics versus pipe repair. The second rebuttal was concerned with =3D how cheaply a group moved a pipe organ. My rebuttal was based solely on = =3D the economic argument of Bob's rebuttal. My friends and I built a practice pipe organ in college from donated and = =3D aquired parts (while I worked for a pipe builder). I had a total of 9 =3D ranks and everything worked. I did it all for less than $4 grand. The =3D big expenses were lumber, wiring, leather, windline and the rectifier. = =3D It obviously was not the most refined sounding instrument (hey the pipes = =3D were in good shape and FREE!, and I was learning).=3D20 I enjoy pipes, but could not have built it new for that kinda dough or =3D without volunteers and donations. Jeff=3D20       Well, if this is the criteria. The church deserves an electronic. =3D People=3D20 are just too unwilling to put forth reasonable effort to accomplish =3D things. =3D20 Laziness reaps appropriate rewards. =3D20 Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20   Uh, how many hours, volunteers and other donations does it take to =3D move an=3D20 electronic. I'm all for saving old pipes, but lets's face it your =3D group=3D20 moved it cheaply because of the free help. Try hiring a pipe =3D builder to=3D20 dismantle, crate, rebuild, reassemble and re-voice an instrument =3D that size.=3D20 The electronic wins this battle. (all arguments about pipe v. =3D electronic=3D20 sounds aside).=3D20       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D4F3.308A8620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Not to beat a dead horse Bruce, but I wasn't =3D commenting on the=3D20 merits of moving the organ.&nbsp;&nbsp;Bob's original rebuttal concerned = =3D the=3D20 economics of electronics versus pipe repair. The&nbsp;second rebuttal =3D was=3D20 concerned with&nbsp;how cheaply a group moved a = pipe&nbsp;organ.&nbsp;=3D20 My&nbsp;rebuttal was based solely on the economic argument of Bob's=3D20 rebuttal.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>My friends and I built a practice pipe organ in =3D college from=3D20 donated and aquired parts (while I worked for a pipe builder).&nbsp; I =3D had a=3D20 total of 9 ranks and everything worked.&nbsp; I did it all for less than = =3D $4=3D20 grand. The big expenses were lumber, wiring, leather, windline and = the=3D20 rectifier.&nbsp; It obviously was not the most refined sounding =3D instrument (hey=3D20 the pipes were in good shape and FREE!, and I was =3D learning).&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I enjoy pipes, but could not have&nbsp;built it new = =3D for that=3D20 kinda dough or without volunteers and donations.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2> <DIV><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Well, if this is the criteria. &nbsp;The =3D church=3D20 deserves an electronic. &nbsp;&nbsp;People <BR>are just too unwilling = =3D to put=3D20 forth reasonable effort to accomplish things. &nbsp; <BR>Laziness =3D reaps=3D20 appropriate rewards.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">&nbsp;<BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ = =3D   &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Uh, how many hours, volunteers and other donations does = =3D it take=3D20 to move an <BR>electronic. &nbsp;I'm all for saving old pipes, but =3D lets's=3D20 face it your group <BR>moved it cheaply because of the free help. =3D &nbsp;Try=3D20 hiring a pipe builder to <BR>dismantle, crate, rebuild, reassemble =3D and=3D20 re-voice an instrument that size. <BR>The electronic wins this =3D battle. (all=3D20 arguments about pipe v. electronic <BR>sounds aside). <BR><FONT =3D lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><BR>Bruce Cornely=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with = the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit =3D Howling=3D20 Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/B= =3D rucon502/</A></FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D4F3.308A8620--    
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:36:05 -0400   Thanks Bruce. I figured that's what you'd say. Everyone can have an = opinion, as long as they're not mean and nasty about it.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:37:47 EDT     --part1_6d.13745c5a.2824dd9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/01 9:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > I also noticed that you didn't quote my entire post, but only the part = that > would make your point more valid.   If you read the list directions, you are NOT supposed to quote entire = posts, but only the part to which you specifically refer. nyah nyah! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6d.13745c5a.2824dd9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/01 9:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I also noticed = that you didn't quote my entire post, but only the part that <BR>would make your point more valid. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>If you read the list directions, you are NOT supposed to quote entire = posts, <BR>but only the part to which you specifically refer. &nbsp;nyah nyah! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6d.13745c5a.2824dd9b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:38:58 -0400   mother? Okay.   humor? debatable   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:42:24 -0400   ......or quote the part that makes your point valid, whereas if the entire post was quoted, you wouldn't have a pot to p*ss is. I've never HAD to = quote anything............   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:49:56 EDT   Hi Bruce:   I tend to agree with you, in a dead room perhaps a Hammond c-3 is all a church deserves. It's down right ludicris to place a pipe organ in a dead room. There is a new assembly hall going up that has a massive pipe organ going in to speak through wool and lots of it. Artificial reverberation is to be applied. I call that a very expensive = electronically enhansed for want of a better word, electronic organ that just happens to be pipes. I ask the question, why would very smart people want to go in this direction in the first place? I just don't get it!!! My question, = Why spend millions of dollars on a potlatch. The Potlatch Indians deliberately destroyed wealth by burning it up to prove they were more powerful, and more wealthy than their neighbors. They invited their neighbors to this party to do the same thing. WHY???? It boggles the mind.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 22:11:42 -0700     --------------AA5A55AC410D1669703330CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Back when electronic organs were still analog, we used to use a tuning chart to mimic the random out-of-tuneness of pipe organs, to try to lessen the sterile sound of locked-in, absolutely in-tune electronics.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > organist@total.net writes: > > > >> 1) Have you ever heard the 'random detuning' feature on Rodgers >> organs? >> 2) Do you think 'random detuning' makes Rodgers organs sound bad? >> > > Yes and Yes. There is a difference between presence and being out > of tune. > I even have a low tolerance for celestes! Pipes draw and resonate > > together. The constant fuzziness of detuned electronics only makes > them > sound more artificial to me. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------AA5A55AC410D1669703330CF Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Back when electronic organs were still analog, we used to use a tuning chart to mimic the random out-of-tuneness of pipe organs, to try to lessen the sterile sound of locked-in, absolutely in-tune electronics. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>organist@total.net = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>1) Have you ever heard the 'random detuning' feature on Rodgers = organs?</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>2) Do you think 'random detuning' makes Rodgers organs sound bad?</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Yes and = Yes.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is a difference between presence and being out of = tune.</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>&nbsp;I = even have a low tolerance for celestes!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pipes draw and resonate</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>together.&nbsp; The constant fuzziness of detuned electronics only makes = them</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>sound = more artificial to me.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------AA5A55AC410D1669703330CF--    
(back) Subject: Re: celeste tuning From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 01:08:31 EDT   Carlo and friends:   Random detuning is a crutch, an unstable crutch. If you have to do stretch tuning in any organ for warmth pipe or electronic, #1 You've got a dead room for sound, and #2. you've got a defective organ product. Pipes will not combine with this mix at all. Try it and you will fail everytime.     I hear Cavaille Coll this and CC that. Aristide Cavaille Coll organs sound terrible up close, but they are voiced for reverberant very large rooms. The sound is glorious where it counts in the room. I dare anyone to build a successful Cavaille Coll sounding organ in a dead room. It'll never happen, I don't care how many new clothes the emperor wears, or how many see his new clothes. Saying it's great! and being honest are two diametrically opposed stances. So much canon fodder and wasteful. All the Kings horses and all the Kings men........... Well you already know the rest. ( HOPEFULLY)   The ear never lies or decieves, only the mind in serandipity can accomplish that feat.   Regards,   Ron Severin   PS Lose the Celeste tuning except for celeste effects.