PipeChat Digest #2084 - Saturday, May 5, 2001
 
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: I speak for myself (no anger here)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Bob Scarborough, caster of roses.
  by "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com>
what's an organist to DO? (grin)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Rhosymedre...
  by "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu>
flamboyant gift for myself
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Rhosymedre...
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: flamboyant gift for myself
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: flamboyant gift for myself
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
attention art-buffs
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: what's an organist to DO? (grin)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Fw: Bellows restoration
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Carpeting the choir room...
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:49:42 EDT     --part1_6f.14c9a636.28257b16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/5/01 4:46:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes:     > Oh how I wish I had a choir room... *wishing* > > I used to think they were necessary until I had a parish with great = acoustics in the nave and no choir room. It was grand for rehearsing. The only =   time I really wanted a choir room was Sunday morning, although it wouldn't =   have mattered much since the choir didn't show up until five minutes = before service time. Some even arrived late. An RC store, you know!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6f.14c9a636.28257b16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/5/01 4:46:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh how I wish I = had a choir room... &nbsp;*wishing* <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>I used to think they were necessary until I had a parish with great = acoustics <BR>in the nave and no choir room. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was grand for = rehearsing. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The only <BR>time I really wanted a choir room was Sunday morning, although it = wouldn't <BR>have mattered much since the choir didn't show up until five minutes = before <BR>service time. &nbsp;&nbsp;Some even arrived late. &nbsp;&nbsp;An RC = store, you know!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.14c9a636.28257b16_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:52:00 EDT     --part1_10.c64d53d.28257ba0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/5/01 6:39:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > Some more recent pipe organs have also proved extremely reliable.   It appears that some pipe organs suffer FROM repairs, which are made to = keep food on the tech's table, or from "improvements" to keep egos inflated to = the desired pressure! There's a message here!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_10.c64d53d.28257ba0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/5/01 6:39:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Some more recent = pipe organs have also proved extremely reliable. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It appears that some pipe organs suffer FROM repairs, which are made = to keep <BR>food on the tech's table, or from "improvements" to keep egos inflated = to the <BR>desired pressure! &nbsp;&nbsp;There's a message here! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10.c64d53d.28257ba0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:53:21 EDT     --part1_15.13c72d5b.28257bf1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/5/01 6:49:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > My advice: stick to lino, especially when beagles are around.   True. Mine perfer to have their "accidents" on carpet!! Smart = doggies!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_15.13c72d5b.28257bf1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/5/01 6:49:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My advice: stick = to lino, especially when beagles are around. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>True. &nbsp;&nbsp;Mine perfer to have their "accidents" on = &nbsp;carpet!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Smart doggies! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15.13c72d5b.28257bf1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:10:34 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D586.4C036A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   We too practice in the stalls, but it would be nice to hide in a warm =3D room in the winter, and to be able to just warm up before a service - I = =3D know that I will be holding my breath all through the offertory hymn =3D waiting to see if my trebles and sopranos remember the descant or =3D whether it goes belly up like last time... Our vestry space is very =3D small and cramped too - try robing between 30 and 40 choristers in a 12 = =3D foot square room (actually the base of the tower) together will flower =3D arrangers, servers, and lost congregation... Thats the trouble with =3D buildings a thousand years old... they just didn't think of what would =3D be needed in the future!!! If only money wasn't an issue in all these =3D things, then we could build some lovely rooms off the side! =3D20   Anyway, enough of my dreaming for now! Better do some practice for =3D tomorrow!   Steve Canterbury UK   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room...     In a message dated 5/5/01 4:46:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=3D20 steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes:=3D20       Oh how I wish I had a choir room... *wishing*=3D20       I used to think they were necessary until I had a parish with great =3D acoustics=3D20 in the nave and no choir room. It was grand for rehearsing. The = =3D only=3D20 time I really wanted a choir room was Sunday morning, although it =3D wouldn't=3D20 have mattered much since the choir didn't show up until five minutes =3D before=3D20 service time. Some even arrived late. An RC store, you know!! ;-) = =3D     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D586.4C036A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>We too practice in the stalls, but it = =3D would be nice=3D20 to hide in a warm room in the winter, and to be able to just warm up =3D before a=3D20 service - I know that I will be holding my breath all through the =3D offertory hymn=3D20 waiting to see if my trebles and sopranos remember the descant or =3D whether it=3D20 goes belly up like last time...&nbsp; Our vestry space is very small and = =3D cramped=3D20 too - try robing between 30 and 40 choristers in a 12 foot square room =3D (actually=3D20 the base of the tower) together will flower arrangers, servers, and lost = =3D   congregation... Thats the trouble with buildings a thousand years old... = =3D they=3D20 just didn't think of what would be needed in the future!!!&nbsp; If only = =3D money=3D20 wasn't an issue in all these things, then we could build some lovely =3D rooms off=3D20 the side!&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Anyway, enough of my dreaming for =3D now!&nbsp; Better=3D20 do some practice for tomorrow!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Canterbury</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>UK</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 05, 2001 = =3D 4:49=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Carpeting the =3D choir=3D20 room...</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 5/5/01 4:46:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk">steve@ststephe= =3D nscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk</A>=3D20 writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Oh how I wish I had a choir room... &nbsp;*wishing*=3D20 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I used to think they were necessary until I =3D had a=3D20 parish with great acoustics <BR>in the nave and no choir room.=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was grand for rehearsing. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The =3D only=3D20 <BR>time I really wanted a choir room was Sunday morning, although it = =3D wouldn't=3D20 <BR>have mattered much since the choir didn't show up until five =3D minutes=3D20 before <BR>service time. &nbsp;&nbsp;Some even arrived late. =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;An RC=3D20 store, you know!! &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~=3D20 &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the =3D Beagle's Nest=3D20 ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, =3D Molly,=3D20 and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D586.4C036A00--    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:48:09 -0400   Doug: I've got no problem with that proscription, but what's the reason = for it?   Alan   > From: Douglas A Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com> > Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) > > NOT to use 3/4 hymns as processionals !)    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:17:17 -0400   Alan,   It seems to me that Doug doesn't want to waltz down the aisle!   We had a verger at Christ Church, London, who always referred to a processional hymn as a "Round the 'Ouses Waltz'!   He went on to become Senior Verger at St. Paul's Cathedral in London, and we often saw him doing his "Round the 'Ouses" when Royal Occasions were on =   the TV!   Just my two-penn'orth!   Bob Conway   At 12:48 PM 5/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >Doug: I've got no problem with that proscription, but what's the reason = for >it? > >Alan > > > From: Douglas A Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com> > > Subject: Re: I speak for myself (no anger here) > > > > NOT to use 3/4 hymns as processionals !)    
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the "pipes last longer" falsehood. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:36:50 -0700   At 08:31 5/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: >The only repair the von Beckerath at St. Michael's Episcopal Church in New= =20 >York City had in more than thirty years was rebushing of the pedalboard --= =20 >something that even electronics need!<snip>   ....usually moreso than the piped prototype. Rodgers was known for some=20 lousy pedalboards for awhile back in the analog days, to be certain.   Almost all the examples thus given are old organs, mostly tracker action,=20 so I can see the claims of reliability as being valid. However, the EP=20 organ, as mass produced by M=F8ller and others, hasn't fared nearly as=20 well. Thus, one is confronted with a choice...the unwieldiness of tracker,= =20 or improving electric actions by dumping traditional electropneumatic and=20 going to improved electromechanical. True, I HATE trackers for fairly=20 large installations as a rule, as their disadvantages tend to outweigh=20 their advantages, and some of the advantages touted for them, such as the=20 highly-touted "articulation of speech", don't hold true except in the=20 smallest, most lightly winded examples. When one is faced with the=20 exorbitant initial cost of a large tracker, the argument for more modern,=20 simple and reliable electromechanical action becomes even more favorable.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuttal to the Rebuttal to the rebuttal From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:40:18 -0700   At 10:15 5/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Ah, but Bruce have you heard that wonderful Gulbransen digital hymnal? >No organist needed, just push a button. I'ts the next best thing to an 8 >track!(grin)<snip>   Shhhh! Don't TALK about that! Some pastor might be reading this list and =   think it's a viable option!!!   dB    
(back) Subject: Bob Scarborough, caster of roses. From: "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 19:25:29 -0000   The fragrance of the rose lingers on the hand that casts it. - Shakespeare   Bob,   Once again you have maligned Rodgers....   Isn't it about time you tell us how you really feel about the company and get it off your chest? What did they ever do to you? Get it all out and over with, please!   Your posts are sort of like the story of the guy who came home from = golfing late one Saturday. When his wife asked why he was so late, he said that = his buddy Bill had dropped dead on the 2nd green. "It must have been awful!", =   his wife exclaimed.   "It was!", he admitted, "From then on it was hit the ball and drag Bill, = hit the ball and drag Bill..."   Say something and BASH RODGERS, say something and BASH RODGERS...   Seriously, what is it with you and Rodgers? We would like to know. You = have said the decline of the company began when they didn't go digital in 1971. = "Declining companies" don't sell $20 million a year when the only other manufacturer of consequence sells only $28 million.   RH   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: what's an organist to DO? (grin) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:31:18 -0700       Bob Scarborough wrote:   > Almost all the examples thus given are old organs, mostly tracker actio= n, > so I can see the claims of reliability as being valid. However, the EP > organ, as mass produced by M=F8ller and others, hasn't fared nearly as > well.   It's really too bad that Wicks (for the most part) couldn't seem to combi= ne mechanical reliability with good voicing ... I've played MANY Wicks organ= s from the 1920s, particularly in RC churches, that hadn't seen an organ tech si= nce they were installed (grin) ... for the most part, everything still worked= , and they were in reasonable tune. But the SOUND ... oh my!   Somebody should make a point of building an organ with electro-mechanical chests that's entirely STRAIGHT, without unit stops and variable scaling,= and with PROPER voicing and scaling ...   I agree that the difference in speech characteristics between a GOOD e/m = chest and a slider chest are detectable only to HIGHLY-trained ears. I WOULD de= bate as to which is the more long-lived, particularly if e/m rather than e/p pulldowns are used on the slider chests.   MOST of the horror stories that the older generation of organ techs tell = about slider chests are based either on old organs that have been abused and subjected to leaky roofs, etc., or early Organ Reform Movement organs (particularly from Europe), where the builders didn't realize that Americ= an churches with central air and heat require ABSOLUTELY stable kiln-dried l= umber for the chests that is impervious to changes in temperature and humidity.   THAT requirement isn't limited to tracker organs with slider chests ... e= arly e/p imports suffered from the same problem, particularly organs from Engl= and.   I corresponded with the British counterpart to OCH, and they advised AGAI= NST Britain-to-U.S. transplants for the same reason ... the standard in Briti= sh churches is 60 degrees F., with constant HIGH humidity ... old British or= gans moved from that environment to hot (and cold) DRY U.S. churches, with sea= sonal temperature variations approaching 100 degrees F. in some parts of the co= untry, simply disintegrate.   A question that's never been answered to my satisfaction: how much space = per rank does a slider chest require as compared to e/m or e/p? Is the space = saved with slider chests significant?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Rhosymedre... From: "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:30:58 -0500 (EST)   Okay, y'all...help me settle a bar bet!   What's the accepted pronunciation of "Rhosymedre?" (As in the one RVW wrote an organ prelude on...) Thanks, -greg   P.S. Please refrain from any mention of how lame (and contradictory) it is to be discussing Welsh hymn tunes at the Irish Lion...      
(back) Subject: flamboyant gift for myself From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:39:27 -0400   I just bought a pipe organ!!!   Here's the deal...........   A Montreal parish recently closed. The parish is called St. Augustine of Canterbury. The parish could no longer afford the upkeep of the building, = so the diocese put the building up for sale, and the parish community moved = to another parish, where they'll be sharing the church with an existing = french parish. The church which houses the organ was built in 1921. It houses a 1924 Casavant. It has 3 manuals, and 60 stops (which comes to more than 60 ranks). The parish spent 50000$ restoring it, about 5 years ago. At that time, the parish had money (needless to say). A developer bought the building this past week, but he made it perfectly clear that he wants nothing to do with the organ. Since my mother works for the diocese of Montreal, I asked her what they were going to do with the organ. She told = me to speak to the arch bishop. I did, and he told me if I want the organ, = it's mine. I asked him what would be a fair price. I offered to write a check = for 5000$, and he accepted. So, I'm now the proud owner of a 1924, 3-manual Casavant. This organ is in very good shape!!! Now........what to do next?   I need some suggestions.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Rhosymedre... From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:52:10 -0400   Well, I once asked an aged Welshman that, and he said:   ROSS-meh-DRAY.   If memory serves, the initial R was slightly rolled, and perhaps there was a tiny bit of the Y (short-I sound) at the end of the "ross".   FWIW,   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: flamboyant gift for myself From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:26:49 -0400       Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > I just bought a pipe organ!!! > > Here's the deal...........   --------------------- Mike wrote:   Hi Carlo Well, get that bad boy installed somewhere and start making us some = MP3s. :-) Seriously, where are you going to find space for this monster? I = became the proud owner of a 10 rank Estey a while ago, and I have yet to put the = right space together where I can install and enjoy this instrument without = interfering with neighbors and zoning laws, yet still be affordable. Right now, the instrument is in a 10x22 storage building, and it is quite full. I figure = I will need a minimum of 50x50 room size to assemble and play the instrument in, = and I still don't know whether my ears will be able to handle the volume. I = would think that your instrument at 60+ ranks needs that much more space than = mine, and the ceiling height would need to be something higher than the 11' mine requires. I wish I had some constructive advise for you, but unless you have a = church or auditorium in which to install it, the Casavant seems a bit large for a = home installation. I wish you luck, in any event, and look forward to hearing = you play it.   Best Wishes Mike Gettelman      
(back) Subject: Re: flamboyant gift for myself From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:27:20 -0400   this organ MUST be put into a church, or an auditorium. The church it's in right now is HUGE, seats 2000 people........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: attention art-buffs From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:49:44 -0400   I need help in identifying a painting. Anyone knowing a lot about artwork (in churches), please write to me off list. Thanks!   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: what's an organist to DO? (grin) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:05:15 -0500   At 12:31 PM 5/5/01 -0700, Bud wrote:   >Somebody should make a point of building an organ with electro-mechanical >chests that's entirely STRAIGHT, without unit stops and variable scaling, = and >with PROPER voicing and scaling ...   I used to tune an organ that resembles that description, at least. Oddly enough, it was a Wicks, in the Basilica in Dyersville, Iowa. Late 60's-early 70's vintage (utilizing some pipework from a previous Tellers instrument), 2m/30something rk (IIRC), and absolutely straight in spec -- not a thing borrowed anywhere. The room is huge and beautiful, and the acoustic generous -- the organ makes rather a pleasant racket, actually <g>! Pity it *looks* so awful...much of the instrument resides behind enormous panels of molded black plastic (!!) grillework... :-(   <now snipping a great deal>   >A question that's never been answered to my satisfaction: how much space = per >rank does a slider chest require as compared to e/m or e/p? Is the space = saved >with slider chests significant?   Depends on the specific construction of the chests (to a point), but it is indeed possible to lay out slider chests to be *very* space-efficient. = One of our organs here put 68 rks on (mostly) slider chests into the same = space formerly occupied by 30 rks on (admittedly rather large) e/p chests. Yet, everything is laid out logically for proper access.   Anyway, just a couple of errant thoughts...<g>...now, back to the cleaning <groan>   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR  
(back) Subject: Fw: Bellows restoration From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:38:16 -0500   Listers-   Can anyone help this kind person posted below? I *could* help them but I'm in Indiana. Please write them on the privy.   Thanks, Rick       ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph J. Hegner <rjheg@home.com> To: <dutchorgan@svs.net> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: Bellows restoration     > Dear Rick, > > I have purchased an old pump organ and am now trying to find someone = that > can restore bellows. Do you do that can or restoration or know anyone that > could possibly help me? > > Thank you, > > Sandra L. Hegner > 400 13th Street > New Brighton, PA 15066 > > rjheg@home.com >    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting the choir room... From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:39:39 EDT     --part1_3f.14ac539b.2825f74b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Certainly less carpet is better than more, but you all are tending to validate at least one of my points...that being that the rehearsal space should be somewhat drier than the performance space.   In my present choir room, we had linoleum until 1 year ago. The noise was = so harrowing. And with it being essentially a closed-in balcony, everything = we did could be heard in the sanctuary. So, I had carpet installed last year = to reduce both these problems. The choir room in our church is the ONLY upstairs in the entire facility.   We are working to get a new choir facility downstairs once our big new = family life center is built (ground breaking not too far in the future).   I like carpet in the choir room.   Neil B   --part1_3f.14ac539b.2825f74b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Certainly less carpet = is better than more, but you all are tending to <BR>validate at least one of my points...that being that the rehearsal = space <BR>should be somewhat drier than the performance space. <BR> <BR>In my present choir room, we had linoleum until 1 year ago. &nbsp;The = noise was so <BR>harrowing. &nbsp;And with it being essentially a closed-in balcony, = everything we <BR>did could be heard in the sanctuary. &nbsp;So, I had carpet installed = last year to <BR>reduce both these problems. &nbsp;The choir room in our church is the = ONLY <BR>upstairs in the entire facility. <BR> <BR>We are working to get a new choir facility downstairs once our big new = family <BR>life center is built (ground breaking not too far in the future). <BR> <BR>I like carpet in the choir room. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.14ac539b.2825f74b_boundary--