PipeChat Digest #2100 - Monday, May 14, 2001
 
Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Official Word On Staff Change at St. Patrick's (x-post)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Bruce... I didn't mean it that way!
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Bruce... I didn't mean it that way!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:54:32 EDT     --part1_29.14b4e93b.283094d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/13/01 12:51:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ScottFop@aol.com writes:     > Responsorial Psalm: > Double chant in G by John Goss > >   Just curious.... how did this work? Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_29.14b4e93b.283094d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/13/01 12:51:35 PM Pacific = Daylight Time, <BR>ScottFop@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Responsorial Psalm: <BR>Double chant in G by John Goss <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Just curious.... &nbsp;&nbsp;how did this work? <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.14b4e93b.283094d8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:53:02 EDT     --part1_90.14340a7a.2830b09e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 5/13/01 10:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 Cremona502@cs.com writes:     >=3D20 > >> Responsorial Psalm:=3D20 >> Double chant in G by John Goss=3D20 >>=3D20 > Just curious.... how did this work?=3D20 >=3D20   EXTREMELY well! We have been doing Anglican double chants since last=3D20 September with great success.     SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D     --part1_90.14340a7a.2830b09e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated = 5/13/01 10:=3D 01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 <BR>Cremona502@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Responsorial Psalm:=3D20 <BR>Double chant in G by John Goss=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Just curious.... &nbsp;&nbsp;how did this work?=3D20 <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">EXTREMELY well! &nbsp;We have been doing Anglican double = cha=3D nts since last=3D20 <BR>September with great success.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D3 FA=3D MILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D3D"Comic=3D Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and = Direct=3D or of Music and Liturgy <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat = dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_90.14340a7a.2830b09e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Official Word On Staff Change at St. Patrick's (x-post) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:20:57 -0700   At 15:20 5/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Father Concordia said, "We'll try to affirm the entire tradition of = Catholic >sacred liturgical music<snip>   Silly me! And here I thought all that was left as "Catholic tradition" = was "Harvest" and garbage like "On Beetle's Springs".... I also like the "Long, who resigned" part. Typical coverup.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Bruce... I didn't mean it that way! From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:25:38 -0400   No, Bruce, I agree with you entirely, I believe a choir should be pushed to the limits and worked like crazy... This marks a good choir director where the members get enjoyment and are challenged... probably what I wasn't clear on was the number of horrific church choirs I have heard that do butcher music beyond their capabilities... and usually this is nothing more than the fault of the "director". this is not pointing any fingers at anyone here... but cities are full of churches that have people playing the organ and / or directing the choirs that don't have a clue... other than you're supposed to wear a robe which makes you Godly... and wave your arms all over the place... the Hell with being Musical or teaching them anything. I know of one church that hired a choir director that can't read music.... I'm Serious! Go Figure!   We've all visited churches somewhere and just cringed at the tolerance that some churches have for letting just anyone "direct the choir".... or play the organ! I know... you all are going to have a field day with me on this, so you don't have to come back and tell me I'm a snob, or that I'm insensitive, uncaring, intolerant... we all know that there are some people out there (no one in this group though) who think as long as it's for the Glory of God, is OK to sound like Hell... this is reality. And then there are the choirs full of average people going to work everyday, having someone directing who cares about what they're doing... reaching down and pulling it out of them.... that's what you're talking about Bruce... and me too... and I agree with you 100%.   the Willan piece is still a good work! Wayne    
(back) Subject: Re: Music List-May 13-Nat'l Shrine of the Little Flower (x post) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:16:09 EDT     --part1_bf.e54ef02.2830c419_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/13/01 8:54:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes:     > EXTREMELY well! We have been doing Anglican double chants since last > September with great success. > But it isn't responsorial (not that I'm complaining, you understand). Or = is this just "what it's called".   I applaud you for rising above the regurgitory!! ;-O~~~~~~~~~~~ ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_bf.e54ef02.2830c419_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/13/01 8:54:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ScottFop@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">EXTREMELY well! = &nbsp;We have been doing Anglican double chants since last <BR>September with great success.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>But it isn't responsorial (not that I'm complaining, you understand). = &nbsp;&nbsp;Or is <BR>this just "what it's called". <BR> <BR>I applaud you for rising above the regurgitory!! &nbsp;;-O~~~~~~~~~~~ = &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bf.e54ef02.2830c419_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce... I didn't mean it that way! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:18:08 EDT     --part1_42.14a31caf.2830c490_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/13/01 9:27:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:     > probably what I wasn't clear on was the number of horrific > church choirs I have heard that do butcher music beyond their > capabilities... and usually this is nothing more than the fault of the > "director".   But, most likely, if you frequent those pews often enough you'll probably discover that they butcher music within their capabilites. I've seen = this for years.   I think we probably agree. ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_42.14a31caf.2830c490_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/13/01 9:27:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">probably what I = wasn't clear on was the number of horrific <BR>church choirs I have heard that do butcher music beyond their <BR>capabilities... and usually this is nothing more than the fault of the <BR>"director". &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>But, most likely, if you frequent those pews often enough you'll = probably <BR>discover that they butcher music within their capabilites. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I've seen this <BR>for years. <BR> <BR>I think we probably agree. &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_42.14a31caf.2830c490_boundary--