PipeChat Digest #2103 - Wednesday, May 16, 2001
 
RE: Reger, Liszt
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reger, Liszt
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Reger, Liszt
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Guy Th=E9rien obituary
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Reger and Karl Straub
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Reger, Liszt
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Reger, Liszt
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Reger, Liszt From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:00:42 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0DD92.DE3123E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     I wrote: ---------------- Right. Reger played, I believe, but did not perform his big works. = The organist he wrote for was... ummm... I can't remember, but there was a = guy who performed his music. --------------------   I just checked it out. Karl Straub was the organist who played = Reger's music.   Mike       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0DD92.DE3123E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001>I=3D20 wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D740565802-16052001>----------------</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001>Right.&nbsp; Reger played, I believe, but = =3D did=3D20 not&nbsp;perform his big works.&nbsp; The organist he wrote for =3D was...&nbsp;=3D20 ummm...&nbsp; I can't remember, but&nbsp;there was a guy who =3D performed his=3D20 music.&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001>--------------------</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FON= =3D T></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV= =3D > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN class=3D3D740565802-16052001>I just = =3D checked it=3D20 out.&nbsp; Karl Straub&nbsp;was the organist who played Reger's =3D music.&nbsp;=3D20 </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV= =3D > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001>Mike</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV= =3D > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff><FONT = face=3D3DArial><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D980302702-16052001><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D740565802-16052001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV= =3D ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C0DD92.DE3123E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:53:34 EDT     --part1_70.ab4f68a.283353be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/15/01 6:37:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:     > Translation please...?? What exactly do you mean by this?? > > Puzzled minds would like to know...<g> >   When writing for an instrument which can play three our four octaves of = notes at a time, it is not necessary to write massive chords which duplicate = notes. The texture can be filled in with stops at various pitches. Many of = these pieces seem to be over-written. I would compare the full textures of = Franck to those of Reger, the results being bascially the same (give or take a = note or two) but accomplished with fewer written notes. There is more to it, = but that's it in a nutshell (please don't use that last word against me!!) = ;-) .   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_70.ab4f68a.283353be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/15/01 6:37:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>tmbovard@arkansas.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Translation = please...?? &nbsp;What exactly do you mean by this?? &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Puzzled minds would like to know...&lt;g&gt; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>When writing for an instrument which can play three our four octaves = of notes <BR>at a time, it is not necessary to write massive chords which duplicate = notes. <BR>&nbsp;The texture can be filled in with stops at various pitches. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Many of these <BR>pieces seem to be over-written. &nbsp;I would compare the full = textures of Franck <BR>to those of Reger, the results being bascially the same (give or take = a note <BR>or two) but accomplished with fewer written notes. &nbsp;&nbsp;There = is more to it, but <BR>that's it in a nutshell (please don't use that last word against me!!) = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_70.ab4f68a.283353be_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Reger, Liszt From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:01:26 EDT     --part1_ee.158a81a8.28335596_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/15/01 7:26:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mswal@adelphia.net writes:     > I once read where Reger arranged Bach's twp-part inventions for organ-- = the > right hand playing the top, the feet playing the botton, and he added a =   >   That's really taking arranging to the limit!!! Two-part inventions in = three voices.... hmmmmmmm.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ee.158a81a8.28335596_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/15/01 7:26:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>mswal@adelphia.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I once read where Reger arranged Bach's twp-part inventions for = organ-- the <BR>right hand playing the top, the feet playing the botton, &nbsp;and he = added a <BR>third part for the left hand. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>That's really taking arranging to the limit!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Two-part = inventions in three <BR>voices.... hmmmmmmm. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ee.158a81a8.28335596_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Reger, Liszt From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:02:11 EDT     --part1_d2.68c9ff8.283355c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/15/01 8:01:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mswal@adelphia.net writes:     > I just checked it out. Karl Straub was the organist who played Reger's > music. > > Surely, there must be at least a few more!!! ;-)   (okay, okay.... I'm going to bed!!!) ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d2.68c9ff8.283355c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/15/01 8:01:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>mswal@adelphia.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I just checked it out. &nbsp;Karl Straub was the organist who played = Reger's <BR>music. &nbsp; <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Surely, there must be at least a few more!!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>(okay, okay.... I'm going to bed!!!) &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d2.68c9ff8.283355c3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Guy Th=E9rien obituary From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:20:04 -0500   Greetings, friends.   I forward the following information, which appeared this evening on= Piporg-L.   Tim Bovard   ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Keith S. Toth" <kstoth@MAIL.COM> >Subject: Guy Th=E9rien obituary >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu > >Guy Th=E9rien (1947-2001) > >Guy Th=E9rien, age 53, died on May 11, 2001 at the Main Hospital Pavilion= of >the Richelieu-Yamaska Health System in Saint-Hyacinthe, Qu=E9bec. Mr. >Th=E9rien, who lived in Saint-Hyacinthe, was the spouse of Mme Lynne= Michaut. >Beside his spouse, he leaves in mourning three sons and a daughter: Jean- >Fran=E7ois, Jean-Christophe, Jean-Phillippe and Marie-=C8ve. He also leaves= in >mourning his brothers and sisters, brothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, >nephews, nieces, other relatives and friends as well as his mother-in-law, >Mme Lisa Deslauriers. According to his wishes, there will not be a viewing >of the body. > >A mass will be celebrated on Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 10 a.m. in the >Cathedral of Saint-Hyacinthe. The family will receive condolences at the >church beginning at 9 a.m. In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to the >Fondation Aline Letendre (Palliative care) or the Fondation du Centre >Hospitalier Honor=E9-Mercier of Saint-Hyacinthe. > >Funeral direction: Ubald Lalime Funeral Home, Saint-Hyacinthe. >Telephone: (450) 774-6417 - FAX: (450) 773-7778 - Lalime@hy.cgocable.ca    
(back) Subject: Re: Reger and Karl Straub From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:01:19 EDT   Hi Tim and Bruce atal:   Karl Straub and Max Reger were dueling friends. Max used to write music to Max out Karl. Karl was THE most sought after recitalist of his time, = and Max made it his duty to humble Karl. Karl used to rise to the occasion and play these pieces, to which Max would snip at his playing ability. It was = a truce and nothing better. Karl Straub was the foremost interpreter of = Bach. This in some way infuriated Max, that Karl's career was going so well. Max deliberately wrote music he hoped Karl couldn't actually play. Karl played it anyway to prove a point, simply that he had the technique to do so. I'm =   sure Karl didn't relish the exercise, but to his credit never backed down and = gave in. Max occasionally HAD to play his own music in public, which in most cases was not a real good idea, because according to witnesses flubbed and flowndered all over the place. He claimed his technique was better = than karl's but it was all talk, and he was never successful in backing it up with a decent performance. IMHO Karl won the argument hands down. :) It's called = baiting!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:32:15 EDT   Ron Severin writes:   << PS Franck could span a twelfth with no trouble at all. >>   Well that explains a lot of things about Franck's music right there, hehe. = I bet he didn't have any trouble reaching pedals either. As for me, at times = I feel I'm learning ballet as opposed to organ technique. ;o)   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:34:33 -0400   I've stated many times before that Franck had HUGE hands.............. The rest of us however, do NOT <G>   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Reger, Liszt From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:44:10 EDT   In a message dated 5/15/01 8:03:03 PM Central Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   << I went to Brenda Durden's Frantic Organist Closeout sale page and picked out about $150 = worth of music. I then thought, "Breeeeeeeeeeewse..... you have so much = music you've never even played." Before the flash of reason could pass, I hit the "cancel" button and = fleed home!! >>   Now, see- if you weren't so reasonable you could have ordered that music = and donated it to a penniless college student. Might even have been a tax deduction in it for you. ;o)   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: X-post: Music of Max Reger From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:08:52 -0700   At 02:34 5/16/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I've stated many times before that Franck had HUGE hands....<snip>   It's been pretty well documented over the years that 1.) Franck could comfortably play a twelfth or more, and 2.) would put little "zingers" in his music to remind players of his music of 1., above. Anyone who says he/she doesn't use a manual coupled to pedal to cover these little show-offs of his is usually either lying or doesn't play the note. Widor also has these same little treats in his music, and also reportedly had a pretty awesome reach.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Reger, Liszt From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:56:37 -0700 (PDT)   Reger indeed played his own music, both in Leipzig and Wiesbaden.   Liszt's music falls well under the hands.   --- Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > > > >>What about Liszt's organ music? Is it as difficult > as his piano music? I've > >>really only heard one piece- the B-A-C-H Fantasia > and Fugue. > >,,, Liszt, it is exciting listening, but the > playing is not as > >much fun as it might be. I, too, wonder if I've > ever heard it played using > >all of the notes. But, then, does it really > matter? > > > >Bruce Cornely > > Hey, I ain't that great, but I can play the Liszt P > & F on BACH. > It's not _that_ hard, and in fact falls right under > the fingers. > One big difference between Liszt and Reger is that > Liszt played his > own music and Reger didn't, right? There is a > whilom player behind > Liszt's notes, namely Listz himself. Like a lot of > his piano music, > I'm guessing, it grows out of improvisation. > Whereas Reger composed > out of his head, not his fingers. Only a machine > could play come of > his stuff. Not that Reger didn't write some lovely > music, like the > Benedictus, the Kyrie, the toccata and fugue in d > minor, and many of > the op. 67 chorale preludes (the Aus Tiefer Not is > deliciously > spooky!). > > Reger has something in common with J.L. Krebs. > They're both guilty > of what Salieri in the movie "Amadeus" says of > Mozart: "Too many > notes!" But I have a weakness for both of them. > > Randy Runyon > organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati > runyonr@muohio.edu     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/