PipeChat Digest #2119 - Thursday, May 24, 2001
 
Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Hammond Question
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hammond Question
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
programming vs. playing
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted)
  by "Thomas H. Cotner" <cotnerpo@brightok.net>
Re: Hammond Question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Hammond Question
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:58:21 +0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C0E472.BD438F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Yes and had hordes of registrants flitting to and fro. Not for me =3D brother!! This is 2001 not 1677! Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: quilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20   Horsefeathers! 99% of the great organ AND choral literature was =3D written BEFORE the invention of pistons, and the organists of the day =3D managed quite spectacularly, from all reports.=3D20 =3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C0E472.BD438F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Yes and had hordes of registrants =3D flitting to and=3D20 fro. Not for me brother!! This is 2001 not 1677!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bob Elms.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dquilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV>Horsefeathers! 99% of the = =3D great=3D20 organ AND choral literature was written BEFORE the invention of =3D pistons, and=3D20 the organists of the day managed quite spectacularly, from all =3D reports.=3D20 <P>&nbsp;</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C0E472.BD438F60--    
(back) Subject: Hammond Question From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:41:11 -0400   This is just a general question:   Someone just enriched our stock of stuff-to-sell with a Hammond E262. It has 2 61 note manuals, 25 pedals. 2 sets of drawbars, 2 pedal drawbars, NO manual presets, but a few preset tabs. Chimes, Harp, Various tremolos, and reverb. It has the tonewheels and 60's vintage tubes and a sprinkling of transistors.   Can anyone tell me more about these? were they used in churches? A friend of mine did some jazzy stuff on it and the thing really has guts!   It's a model I don't read about often.   Thanks   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:56:52 EDT     --part1_68.f1fb128.283e6d24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/23/01 9:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > We have INVENTED the need for multiple memories and dozens of pistons = ... > the MUSIC certainly doesn't require it. >   Not only that, but I have heard many students who would have fared much better had they spent the time learning notes and interpretation rather = than setting pistons. It seems with the use of so many pistons, rests and = pauses have fallen into disuse.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_68.f1fb128.283e6d24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/23/01 9:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We have INVENTED = the need for multiple memories and dozens of pistons ... <BR>the MUSIC certainly doesn't require it. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not only that, but I have heard many students who would have fared = much <BR>better had they spent the time learning notes and interpretation = rather than <BR>setting pistons. &nbsp;&nbsp;It seems with the use of so many pistons, = rests and pauses <BR>have fallen into disuse. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_68.f1fb128.283e6d24_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:04:27 EDT     --part1_2f.15921ef8.283e6eeb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/23/01 9:45:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Stephen - if you're thinking about it, talk to Ernest and Cheryl Hart at =   > Copeman > Hart. > >   I'm not sure, but I don't get the impression that Copeman-Hart is = interested in combining pipes and electronics. They appear to be justifiably proud = of what they do and they do it honestly.   If I'm wrong, then SLAP ME DOWN!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_2f.15921ef8.283e6eeb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/23/01 9:45:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Stephen - if = you're thinking about it, talk to Ernest and Cheryl Hart at <BR>Copeman <BR>Hart. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I'm not sure, but I don't get the impression that Copeman-Hart is = interested <BR>in combining pipes and electronics. &nbsp;&nbsp;They appear to be = justifiably proud of <BR>what they do and they do it honestly. <BR> <BR>If I'm wrong, then SLAP ME DOWN!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2f.15921ef8.283e6eeb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:08:47 EDT     --part1_a4.149a6f1a.283e6fef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/24/01 12:39:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > I play this organ every Sunday. > There are 6 pipe ranks, and 54 equivalent additional digital ranks. > 60 Ranks in all. > >   God... no wonder your ears are gone!!!!   BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_a4.149a6f1a.283e6fef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/24/01 12:39:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I play this organ = every Sunday. <BR>There are 6 pipe ranks, and 54 equivalent additional digital ranks. <BR>60 Ranks in all. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>God... no wonder your ears are gone!!!! <BR> <BR>BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a4.149a6f1a.283e6fef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:15:51 EDT     --part1_ca.15884eb2.283e7197_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/24/01 5:06:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > Yes and had hordes of registrants flitting to and fro. Not for me = brother!! > This is 2001 not 1677! >   It ain't over.... Very often I see organists in recitals using a page turner who also pushes pistons for them. I'm suprised the swell pedals = have not been moved to the extreme side of the console so that the registrant = can get to them more easily.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ca.15884eb2.283e7197_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/24/01 5:06:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes and had hordes = of registrants flitting to and fro. Not for me brother!! <BR>This is 2001 not 1677! <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It ain't over.... &nbsp;&nbsp;Very often I see organists in recitals = using a page <BR>turner who also pushes pistons for them. &nbsp;I'm suprised the swell = pedals have <BR>not been moved to the extreme side of the console so that the = registrant can <BR>get to them more easily. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ca.15884eb2.283e7197_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Question From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:20:59 EDT     --part1_ff.6c36672.283e72cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/24/01 9:41:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes:     > Hammond E262   These people are SO creative.... Just WHERE do they fine these magical = names??   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ff.6c36672.283e72cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/24/01 9:41:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hammond = E262</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>These people are SO creative.... Just WHERE do they fine these magical = names?? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ff.6c36672.283e72cb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:19:53 +0800   I won't slap you down, but you are wrong. A late issue of an organ magazine showed a Copeman-Hart - pipe organ combination in an American Church. I haven't the mag. in front of me but if you are curious I can hunt it out.   Bob Elms    
(back) Subject: Re: Keeping Skinner Combination Actions as they were From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:21:20 +0800   Now you are exaggerating, Bruce. Shame on you! Bob Elms.   > I'm suprised the swell pedals have not been moved to the extreme side = of the console so that the registrant can get to them more easily.    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:37:42 -0700     --------------52070069102E38F023ACB5AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Actually, they have done several, both across the pond, and at least one in this country, but the U.S. pipe builder requested that they not advertise it, prejudice against combo organs being what it is (grin).   I've had extensive conversations with Ernest about it, and he's more than amenable, including making it so that the digital ranks can be replaced with pipes as money becomes available. He makes no bones about pipes being PREFERABLE, even to his work, all things being equal and the money being available.   Depending on money and time-frame, we may yet go that route at St. Matthew's ... pipe Great, digital Swell, Choir and most of the Pedal, with the plan being to replace the digital ranks when the organ is moved to the main church some years hence.   Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/23/01 9:45:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> Stephen - if you're thinking about it, talk to Ernest and Cheryl >> Hart at >> Copeman >> Hart. >> > > I'm not sure, but I don't get the impression that Copeman-Hart is > interested > in combining pipes and electronics. They appear to be justifiably > proud of > what they do and they do it honestly. > > If I'm wrong, then SLAP ME DOWN!! > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------52070069102E38F023ACB5AE Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Actually, they have done several, both across the pond, and at least one in this country, but the U.S. pipe builder requested that they not = advertise it, prejudice against combo organs being what it is (grin). <p>I've had extensive conversations with Ernest about it, and he's more than amenable, including making it so that the digital ranks can be = replaced with pipes as money becomes available. He makes no bones about pipes being PREFERABLE, even to his work, all things being equal and the money being available. <p>Depending on money and time-frame, we may yet go that route at St. = Matthew's .... pipe Great, digital Swell, Choir and most of the Pedal, with the plan being to replace the digital ranks when the organ is moved to the main church some years hence. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-By-The-Beach <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 5/23/01 9:45:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Stephen - if you're thinking about it, talk to Ernest and Cheryl Hart = at</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Copeman</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Hart.</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>I'm not = sure, but I don't get the impression that Copeman-Hart is = interested</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>in = combining pipes and electronics.&nbsp;&nbsp; They appear to be justifiably proud of</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>what they = do and they do it honestly.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>If I'm = wrong, then SLAP ME DOWN!!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------52070069102E38F023ACB5AE--    
(back) Subject: programming vs. playing From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:40:06 -0700     --------------CE65F62A8C0E622CE7C48D9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Awhile back, friend GBorgan played a dedication recital on a new Allen .... he told me he spent like EIGHT HOURS programming the MIDI and the pistons ... EEEK!!!   That's why I object to Allen's black boxes ... put the stops on the knobs, or leave 'em off (grin).   Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/23/01 9:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> We have INVENTED the need for multiple memories and dozens of >> pistons ... >> the MUSIC certainly doesn't require it. > > Not only that, but I have heard many students who would have fared > much > better had they spent the time learning notes and interpretation > rather than > setting pistons. It seems with the use of so many pistons, rests and > pauses > have fallen into disuse. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------CE65F62A8C0E622CE7C48D9D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Awhile back, friend GBorgan played a dedication recital on a new Allen .... he told me he spent like EIGHT HOURS programming the MIDI and the = pistons .... EEEK!!! <p>That's why I object to Allen's black boxes ... put the stops on the knobs, or leave 'em off (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-By-The-Beach <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 5/23/01 9:27:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>We have INVENTED the need for multiple memories and dozens of pistons = ...</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>the MUSIC certainly = doesn't require it.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Not only = that, but I have heard many students who would have fared = much</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>better = had they spent the time learning notes and interpretation rather = than</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>setting = pistons.&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems with the use of so many pistons, rests and = pauses</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>have = fallen into disuse.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------CE65F62A8C0E622CE7C48D9D--    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:01:37 EDT   To Bob Elms and others   Copeman Hart America P. O. Box 292 Lewes, Delaware 19958-0292   Toll Free 1-800-773-4858   24 May 2001   To Bob Elms and others   Send me an E-mail with your snail mail address and I will be glad to send = you the leaflet on the combination digital-pipe organ at the First Lutheran Church in Lynn, MA.   Please E-mail me to my business E-mail address which is <copemanhartus@aol.com>.   George W. Bayley Senior U. S. Consultant  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:53:51 -0400   At 07:37 AM 24/05/2001 -0700, quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   >I've had extensive conversations with Ernest about it (SNIP) He makes no >bones about pipes being PREFERABLE, even to his work, all things being >equal and the money being available.         Bob Walker says exactly the same thing. Walker Technical's solution is = for situations where space and funds do not permit an all pipe installation.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Additions To Pipe Organs (x-posted) From: "Thomas H. Cotner" <cotnerpo@brightok.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:56:47 -0500   I would imagine that all of us suppliers of digital equipment for organs = (pipe or electronic) would indeed state that pipes are preferable, all things = being equal, and money being available.   The last two items are the key points here. All things being equal, and = money being available. Unfortunately, in the real world, this seldom happens. And that, my friends, is why = clever people attempt to provide equipment and/or services to make up for unequal things and insufficient funds.   I sit here and read some of these postings by well-meaning organists who = really haven't a clue to what has to go into a well-designed and = professionally-built organ - either pipe or digital, and I wonder if all these people do all = day long is sit around and read theoretical books. And, no, I'm not trying = to be cute, catty, or smart-aleck -- just observing some of the reasonings (or = lack of) which appear here.   It would do the profession well for all the armchair experts to actually = spend some time with real - sure-'nuf organ builders -- both pipe and digital -- = and actually learn the similarities as well as the differences in the two = arts.   Possibly eyes could be opened and imaginations widened. I would hope so.   Expecting the worst, but still remaining sincerely,     Tom Cotner   Hugh Drogemuller wrote:   > At 07:37 AM 24/05/2001 -0700, quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > >I've had extensive conversations with Ernest about it (SNIP) He makes = no > >bones about pipes being PREFERABLE, even to his work, all things being > >equal and the money being available. > > Bob Walker says exactly the same thing. Walker Technical's solution is = for > situations where space and funds do not permit an all pipe = installation. > > HD > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:53:53 -0500   Re: Hammond E262   If it has brush and cymbal tabs, it sounds just like one I played in a restaraunt in Florida in the 70s. Kicky thing and great for dance music.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Question From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:33:48 -0400   >Re: Hammond E262 > >If it has brush and cymbal tabs, it sounds just like one I played in a >restaraunt in Florida in the 70s. Kicky thing and great for dance music. > >Rick > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   no it doesn't, hence the suspicion of a church model. Then again there are some "kicky" churches :-).   I think what you played sounds more like the "H" model which I had for quite a while.   John V