PipeChat Digest #2125 - Monday, May 28, 2001
 
Re: The Severance Chamber
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
An IRC Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Question regarding Stentorphon(e)s
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Chicago Area Newsletter
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: organ vs. piano technique
  by "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: organ vs. piano technique
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: The Severance Chamber
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Organs in Prague & Bohemia + Dutch Romantic-CDs
  by "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com>
Aeolian-Skinner Organs, $8.98
  by "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com>
Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: organ vs. piano technique
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The Severance Chamber From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:16:09 -0500   A chance to hear Jongens Symphony Concertante live would send chills up MY spine too. I can still hear Mr. Fox giving it his royal treatment!   You lucky dog, Mike. (woof!)   Rick    
(back) Subject: An IRC Reminder From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:32:43 -0500   Just a quick reminder that although this is Memorial Day the usual PipeChat IRC group will be on-line tonight as we are every Monday and Friday night beginning at 9PM EASTERN time.   For those that have not joined us in the past and would like to see what is going on during these IRC sessions all the information about how to connect to the "chats" is on the PipeChat web site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Have a great Memorial Day!   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Question regarding Stentorphon(e)s From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:50 -0400     Dear Alan, \ Not an earlier example, but our Moller (1928) has a Stertorphone (SOLO) w/ the same scale, but it is wood !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Sun, 27 May 2001 07:46:43 EDT Doppelflote8@aol.com writes: > > > Dear List: > I pose this question to all of you, having just returned from the > final leg > of Flue Tonal Finishing for the mighty beast at St Josephs > Cathedral, Buffalo > (H/H opus 876 1876 Centennial Organ/ Andover Organ Co. IV/92). > > Ths "Solo Division" contains a Stentorphon ( roiginally labled "solo > dia.) > e believe this to be the first example of a stentorphon in the US. > Does > anyone know of an earlier example from which Mr. Hastings and Mr. > Bickford > (the voicer, signed and dated) could have used for their inspiration > in > creating this rank of sonic imposition? According to Audlsey, no > example > existed in England at this time. I must confess that tuning and > regulating > this rank was a true experience (...I know there is a tuning stop > on....isnt > there)? > > Just to give an idea..SPECS AT CC--It's a Hoot! > > Scale: No. 38 approx. 8' ID > Nicking: sparse, coarse nicking every 3/8 inch > Mouth width: 1/4 > Cutup: Arched 1/3 sides 2/5 center > WP: 9" > CC thru Tenor E Zinc, remainder Common Metal. > > Again, any information available about an earlier example would be > helpful. > > Cheers! > > Alan Carrick > Methuen MA   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:16:35 -0500   Bach played a number of early pianos, including one made by the = organbuilder Gottfried Silbermann. He seemed enthusiastic about the concept of the instrument, but does not seem to have been very impressed with the particular instruments he played, which were probably very primitive.   John Speller   Bob Elms wrote:   > Don't list Bach, Buxtehude, etc. That would be just too easy. Who = played > the > FIRST pianos? Do we know that?    
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:25:12 -0500   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > PS Beethoven did, but was never ever considered an organist, he > was a pianist and composer.   Being an organist was in fact Beethoven's main job. For many years he was organist of the parish church in Bonn, Germany. The reason we don't associate him with the organ is that he has, alas, left only a handful of organ compositions, including a pair of preludes that modulate through every major key. The few organ compositions he produced were apparently produced as academic exercises. The rest of the time he did what all good organists of olden times were expected to do and improvised his voluntaries every Sunday without writing them down as compositions. Another good example of this is Gabriel Faure, who was a church organist in France for sixty years, many of them at the Madeleine in Paris. He was said to be a better organist and improvisor than Franck, Guilmant or Saint-Saens, yet he never wrote down a single organ composition.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:29:34 -0500   Pat Maimone wrote:   > Praise Choruses > We Believe in the Holy Bible > Battle Hymn of the Republic (St. 1 & 3) > America the Beautiful (St. 1 & 3) > >   I was rather surprised to find the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and = "America the Beautiful" classified as praise choruses. How did this come about?   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Chicago Area Newsletter From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:22:39 -0500   The June VoxCatoe newsletter has been uploaded to the website....<http://www.catoe.org/vox.html>   regards,   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:32:42 -0700   I am in agreement with Bob C. on the Glenn Gould approach to Bach. If you would like to hear a superior interpretation of Bach on the piano, I recommend, "A Monk and his Music" a recording by Sean Duggan. The CD includes the Goldberg's and Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue, BVW 903.   http://www.stjosephabbey.org/     "Remember that the piano went through quite an evolution from those early square grands to the modern concert grand with cast-iron sounding-board." Bud-By-The-Beach .....   Also, a slight aside about the history of the piano. With the dawn of the industrial age, piano string frames were made of cast iron, not the sound boards. Because of the strength in the cast iron frames, they became = larger and larger, hence the concert halls became bigger and bigger. This growth was coincidental with the growing popularity of virtuosic composer/performers such as Chopin and Liszt. Patty B-bach   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   > > Any one who hasn't heard Glenn Gould hasn't missed much, - other than = this > LP that we had. > > Just my two penn'orth! > > Bob Conway > >      
(back) Subject: Re: organ vs. piano technique From: "Marilyn Oakes" <marilynoakes@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT)   Listmates - I agree that piano technique is mandatory to play the organ well. The difference is that the phrases are mushy and indistinct with non-piano organists. And the BIGGEST compliment I ever received is that I don't play the piano like an organist!!   I came to my conclusion relatively late in musical life - graduate school. I reached a point where I could not play the great organ works (Dupre, etc.) because my fingers just didn't work right. In 1974-75, I had the great good pleasure to coach piano technique on organ literature with Dr. Lucien Stark, a student of Gyorgy Sandor, and it changed my musical life. I learned the Reubke Sonata on the 94th Psalm on the piano, then added pedal, and I'm learning the Mulet Toccata on Tu Es Petra that way now. I practice Bach at the piano, and when I'm playing seriously, Hanon exercises, scales and arpeggios are part of my recital conditioning. I still teach and use Sandor's technique, and I can now play anything I please, except the early French Noels (and that may be personal impatience rather than technique). Sandor teaches economy of motion, using the big muscles in the back for control and power, not the little ones in the fingers, and anatomical positioning of hands and arms. It sounds paradoxical, but it works very neatly because it is how the body works. Sandor pianists aren't typically histrionic at the keyboard and the positioning adjustments are almost imperceptible unless you're looking for them. What you see is a seamless, flowing technique.   God Bless Dr. Stark!!   The Noels aren't pianistic and I've never found anything that works. One of my peers said he flattens his fingers and wiggles, but I've never been able to get that to work. I'd appreciate any other suggestions, from anyone who has conquered the early French Noels.   Marilyn T. Oakes       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marilyn T. Oakes, CRC, LPC, CLCP, Certified Pain Practitioner Rehabilitation Consultants, Inc. P.O. Box 43254 Birmingham, Alabama USA 35243-0254 Web Site: www.oakes.org, email: marilyn@oakes.org -or- = marilynoakes@yahoo.com Life Care Planning, Pediatric Life Care Planning, Vocational Assessment, Chronic Pain Research & Consultation   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:54:42 -0700   Most modern-day performers of piano know that the best technique for piano is the use of economy of motion; particularly in the hands and fingers. A percussive attack creates a percussive sound which has its place but is = not always the desired result. Just as the attack used on the organ can = either be too short or to long, yet to effect the stress needed to distinguish a beat on the organ, both these attacks come into play. Many pianists = believe that too much "body language" in a performance is a distraction, and sometimes a cover-up for what isn't going on with the technique or interpretation or both. It would be difficult for a pianist to throw = their head into the sound board since that is inside the piano, the keyboard, or the fall board, possibly.   OTOH, I have watched a young man perform the Bach D Minor Toccata and = Fugue while throwing his long-tressed head of hair back for the longer held = chords in the opening statement. This oft-heard (over-played, bastardized) piece of music suddenly became new to me through this entertaining performance.   Patty B-bach   > In a message dated 5/27/01 5:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes: >   ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMADPoet@aol.com>   > << I've never seen any of them > throw their bodies at the piano. In fact, I've seen > absolute control and economy of motion. >> > > Have you ever watched Ivo Pogorelich? He tries to control himself, but = he > still looks like he's going to put his head through the soundboard. I think > the original poster was trying to say that a pianist plays with his/her > entire body because he/she is playing a percussion instrument. Indeed = the > pianist HAS to play this way to avoid seriously injuring their hands and > wrists. An organist obviously does not play a percussion instrument, and > therefore uses his/her body in a different manner; i.e., we're too busy > running our feet up and down the pedals and changing manuals or couplers to > put any energy into the remainder of our torso. HEEHEE > > Mandy >      
(back) Subject: Re: organ vs. piano technique From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:59:35 EDT   In a message dated 5/28/01 10:47:30 AM Central Daylight Time, marilynoakes@yahoo.com writes:   << I still teach and use Sandor's technique >> <snip>   Interesting post, Marilyn. I've read interviews with Sandor about the importance of playing being as relaxed as possible, and have always been curious to see him or one of his students play.   Do you happen to know if anyone has written a book about Sandor's methods?   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:38:04 EDT   In a message dated 5/28/01 10:56:19 AM Central Daylight Time, = pab@inreach.com writes:   << It would be difficult for a pianist to throw their head into the sound board since that is inside the piano, the keyboard, = or the fall board, possibly. >>   LOL- You'll forgive me for over-exaggerating, Pogorelich always looks so = long when he sits at the piano that it seems plausible that he would skip the keyboard and go straight under the lid! And don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing him at all, he's one of my favorites.   As for percussiveness in piano playing, I understand what you said, and I think I must have expressed myself badly. I think of playing the piano in terms of percussion, but not necessarily always snare drums and gongs. An accompanist at my school is one of the finest (unsung) pianists I've = heard, and when he touches the keyboard it sounds like bells. Bells are = percussion as well, of course. But even when someone plays a rather quiet percussion instrument such as the vibraphone, one strikes it. With the organ one can make the notes longer or shorter, but it doesn't necessarily effect the dynamics if you hit a key or press it lightly.   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: The Severance Chamber From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:38:56 EDT     --part1_f9.a8f3fcc.2843d920_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/27/01 10:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > --------------------------------------------------- > > Due to many the replies to this post expressing concern for my > hearing, and suggesting ear protection be worn, I thought perhaps some > clarification was indicated. Although I will have the chance to visit > the entire organ prior to the concert, my position during the > performance places me between the pipe chamber and behind the orchestra, > not actually inside the chamber, hence "behind the facade".   Oh crap, Mike. Sit in the danged chamber. It's absolutely a heavenly experience, and you won't go deaf from doing this once any more than you = went blind from.... well, you get the picture!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f9.a8f3fcc.2843d920_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/27/01 10:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">--------------------------------------------------- <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Due to many the replies to = this post expressing concern for my <BR>hearing, and suggesting ear protection be worn, I thought perhaps some <BR>clarification was indicated. Although I will have the chance to visit <BR>the entire organ prior to the concert, my position during the <BR>performance places me between the pipe chamber and behind the = orchestra, <BR>not actually inside the chamber, hence "behind the facade". = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Oh crap, Mike. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sit in the danged chamber. &nbsp;It's = absolutely &nbsp;a heavenly <BR>experience, and you won't go deaf from doing this once any more than = you went <BR>blind from.... well, you get the picture!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f9.a8f3fcc.2843d920_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:41:37 EDT     --part1_b7.e818644.2843d9c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/27/01 10:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, conwayb@sympatico.ca writes:     > Although I am not a Canadian, I live in Canada, and my sense is that = Glenn > Gould was, and still is, hyped up by Canadian Nationalistic Pride. = Whoever > said that his playing of Bach was superb, is totally out of touch with = the > performance of Bach. > Glenn Gould's Bach performance on the organ, at least, IS superb. Maybe = in it's own way (just as Virgil Fox's playing was superb in ITS own way), = even though it may not be authentically purist. There IS more than one way to =   park a Beemer!       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_b7.e818644.2843d9c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/27/01 10:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>conwayb@sympatico.ca writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Although I am not = a Canadian, I live in Canada, and my sense is that Glenn <BR>Gould was, and still is, hyped up by Canadian Nationalistic Pride. = &nbsp;Whoever <BR>said that his playing of Bach was superb, is totally out of touch with = the <BR>performance of Bach. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Glenn Gould's Bach performance on the organ, at = least, IS superb. &nbsp;Maybe in <BR>it's own way (just as Virgil Fox's playing was superb in ITS own way), = even <BR>though it may not be authentically purist. &nbsp;&nbsp;There IS more = than one way to <BR>park a Beemer! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b7.e818644.2843d9c1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Organs in Prague & Bohemia + Dutch Romantic-CDs From: "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:00:55 -0400   Eleven historic organs in Prague are surveyed in a nicely-produced, 2-CD set, that is now on the opening page at http://www.ohscatalog.org $10   A companion set surveying 28 historic organs in Bohemia (excluding Prague) is also on the opening page. 4CDs for about $20   Another set features a dozen Romantic organs built 1852-1892 by the Dutch firm that built about 80 organs in the period and rebuilt even more under the direction of father and son Christian Gottlieb Friederich Witte (1802-1873) and Johann Frederik Witte (1840-1902). These are well played by four organists and are well recorded. In addition to the composers we expect to hear on such a survey, such as Brahms, Mendelssohn, Rheinberger, Liszt, Reger and others, there is also less well known but very appropriate and (some) worthy repertoire by J. G. Bastiaans, E. F. Richter, C. F. Becker, Samuel de Lange Sr. and Jr., C. F. Hendriks, J. A. van Eyken, and more. 4 CDs for about $20   These sets offer large CD booklets with photos and stoplists of the organs, notes on the music, in multiple languages including English. They are part of that group of Dutch-made, premium, CDs that have come to OHS for sale cheap (I initially notified the list on Friday about them), several more have been described at http://www.ohscatalog.org Look on the opening page and also in the CheapCDs section, at the bottom of the CheapCDs page.   Bill  
(back) Subject: Aeolian-Skinner Organs, $8.98 From: "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:20:41 -0400   Well, the organs aren't for sale for $8.98, but CDs of them.   Two CDs recorded on the 1933 Aeolian-Skinner op. 909 at All Saints, Worcester, Massachusetts (now 120 ranks or so) by the vastly virtuosic Paul Fejko are on the opening page at a new, reduced price. These CDs have been very well received.   Also available is Jonathan Dimmock's fine CD recorded at St. John the Divine in New York, playing an all-French program. Recorded by audiophile and writer for electronics magazines (and OHS member) Christopher Greenleaf, the CD seems to strike a perfect balance between clarity and the gigantic acoustic of the building.   To find all of the Aeolian-Skinner and Skinner items on the website, one may use the on-site search engine. First search on the word "Skinner." A lot of things will appear. Then search on "Aeolian-Skinner." You'll find tons of stuff!   Bill  
(back) Subject: Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:21:47 EDT     --part1_e8.155ef959.2843e32b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/28/01 10:29:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > I was rather surprised to find the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and = "America > the Beautiful" classified as praise choruses. How did this come about? > >   You just sing "Glory, glory hallelujah" over and over again until someone = in the gallery pulls out a musket and puts a stop to it!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_e8.155ef959.2843e32b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/28/01 10:29:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I was rather = surprised to find the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "America <BR>the Beautiful" classified as praise choruses. &nbsp;How did this come = about? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>You just sing "Glory, glory hallelujah" over and over again until = someone in <BR>the gallery pulls out a musket and puts a stop to it!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e8.155ef959.2843e32b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organ vs. piano technique From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:32:00 EDT     --part1_d0.164c4e57.2843e590_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/28/01 11:45:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marilynoakes@yahoo.com writes:     > Listmates - I agree that piano technique is mandatory > to play the organ well. The difference is that the > phrases are mushy and indistinct with non-piano > organists. And the BIGGEST compliment I ever received > is that I don't play the piano like an organist!! > >   What gross generalizations! It is quite unfair to lump all non-pianist trained organists into one blob. I have heard far too many piano-trained organists who schlop their phrases and can't play Dupre or Reubke.   I will leave it that I disagree with you!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d0.164c4e57.2843e590_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/28/01 11:45:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>marilynoakes@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Listmates - I = agree that piano technique is mandatory <BR>to play the organ well. The difference is that the <BR>phrases are mushy and indistinct with non-piano <BR>organists. And the BIGGEST compliment I ever received <BR>is that I don't play the piano like an organist!! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What gross generalizations! &nbsp;&nbsp;It is quite unfair to lump all = non-pianist <BR>trained organists into one blob. &nbsp;I have heard far too many = piano-trained <BR>organists who schlop their phrases and can't play Dupre or Reubke. <BR> <BR>I will leave it that I disagree with you! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d0.164c4e57.2843e590_boundary--