PipeChat Digest #2126 - Monday, May 28, 2001
 
Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: The Severance Chamber
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: organ vs. piano technique
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: music for Organ plus choir... X posted
  by <WiegandCJ@aol.com>
Memorial Day - St. Matthew's ACC, Costa Mesa, CA USA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Severance Chamber
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: organ vs. piano technique
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Two Scottish Concerts
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
"American organs"
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: "American organs"
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Service List Sunday, May 27 Post Chapel, West Point From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:52:47 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ----__JNP_000_6901.1272.6ca6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Greetings to all on Memorial Day!   I wondered if anyone would catch that listing of "Battle Hymn" and "America the Beautiful" in the praise chorus section. Thanks for the humor, Bruce! Sharp eyes, John, Bruce and others who have already noticed ;-) In a message dated 5/28/01 10:29:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John Speller writes:     I was rather surprised to find the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "America the Beautiful" classified as praise choruses. How did this come about?   You just sing "Glory, glory hallelujah" over and over again until someone in the gallery pulls out a musket and puts a stop to it!!! ;-) Bruce Cornely   As far as I know, there was no particular reason for it. No one asked my opinion on the listing; I found out about it Sunday morning when I picked up a bulletin. The drummer played on both the patriotic hymns which had a segue from the opening chorus; perhaps that was involved in the listing process.   Pat Maimone, who is pleased that she was able to visit Round Lake on Saturday to hear Agnes Armstrong play the 1847 Ferris tracker! ----__JNP_000_6901.1272.6ca6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3DUS-ASCII = http-equiv=3D3Dcontent-type> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>&nbsp; Greetings to all on Memorial Day!&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; I wondered if anyone would catch that listing of = &quot;=3D Battle=3D20 Hymn&quot; and &quot;America the Beautiful&quot; </DIV> <DIV>in the praise chorus section.&nbsp; Thanks for the humor, Bruce! = </DIV> <DIV>Sharp eyes, John, Bruce and others who have already noticed ;-)</DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; = PADDING-LEFT: =3D 10px"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a message dated 5/28/01 = 10:29:=3D 23 AM=3D20 Eastern Daylight Time, John Speller writes: <BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT=3D : 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=3D20 TYPE =3D3D CITE>I was rather surprised to find the &quot;Battle Hymn = of =3D the=3D20 Republic&quot; and &quot;America <BR>the Beautiful&quot; = classified=3D as=3D20 praise choruses.&nbsp; How did this come about? = <BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D3 FAMILY = =3D3D=3D20 SANSSERIF></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial = lang=3D =3D3D0 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY =3D3D SANSSERIF>You just sing &quot;Glory, glory = hallelujah&quot; =3D over=3D20 and over again until someone in <BR>the gallery pulls out a musket and = =3D puts=3D20 a stop to it!!!&nbsp; ;-) <BR>&nbsp; Bruce=3D20 Cornely<BR></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; As far as I know, there was no particular reason for = it.&=3D nbsp;=3D20 No one asked my opinion on the listing; </DIV> <DIV>I found out about it Sunday morning when I picked up a = bulletin.&nbsp;=3D The=3D20 drummer played on both the patriotic hymns which had a segue from the =3D opening=3D20 chorus; perhaps that was involved in the </DIV> <DIV>listing process.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pat Maimone, who is pleased that she was able to = =3D visit=3D20 Round Lake on Saturday to hear</DIV> <DIV>Agnes Armstrong play the 1847 Ferris tracker!&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ----__JNP_000_6901.1272.6ca6--   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Severance Chamber From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:05:05 -0400     --------------F4B8C8F0B80ED4F78C80F184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Bruce, Heck, I would have my head at the top of the Tuba Mirabilis just waiting for it if they would let me. Seriously, I just wanted everyone to know that I will not be just wandering around in the chamber but will be under supervision at all times by Ken List. I am sure he will guide me to experience as much as possible of the dynamics of this organ, both visual and auditory, during the performance. It would be bad form to get my head stuck in the swell shades. :-) Mike   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/27/01 10:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mike3247@earthlink.net writes: > > > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Due to many the replies to this post expressing concern for >> my >> hearing, and suggesting ear protection be worn, I thought perhaps >> some >> clarification was indicated. Although I will have the chance to >> visit >> the entire organ prior to the concert, my position during the >> performance places me between the pipe chamber and behind the >> orchestra, >> not actually inside the chamber, hence "behind the facade". > > Oh crap, Mike. Sit in the danged chamber. It's absolutely a > heavenly > experience, and you won't go deaf from doing this once any more than > you went > blind from.... well, you get the picture!! ;-) > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------F4B8C8F0B80ED4F78C80F184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hi Bruce, <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Heck, I would have my head at the top of the Tuba Mirabilis just waiting for it if they would let me. Seriously, I just = wanted everyone to know that I will not be just wandering around in the chamber but will be under supervision at all times by Ken List. I am sure he will guide me to experience as much as possible of the dynamics of this organ, both visual and auditory, during the performance. It would be bad form to get my head stuck in the swell shades. :-) <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 5/27/01 10:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>mike3247@earthlink.net = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>---------------------------------------------------</font></font>=   <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Due to many the replies to this post expressing concern for = my</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>hearing, and suggesting ear protection be worn, I thought perhaps some</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>clarification was = indicated. Although I will have the chance to visit</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>the entire organ prior = to the concert, my position during the</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>performance places me = between the pipe chamber and behind the orchestra,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>not actually inside the chamber, hence "behind the facade".</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Oh crap, = Mike.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sit in the danged chamber.&nbsp; It's absolutely&nbsp; a = heavenly</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>experience, and you won't go deaf from doing this once any more than you = went</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>blind = from.... well, you get the picture!!&nbsp; ;-)</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------F4B8C8F0B80ED4F78C80F184--    
(back) Subject: Re: organ vs. piano technique From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:51:21 EDT     --part1_32.159e97b9.2843f829_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I think piano mastery is indispensible to learning organ, but I also have found that my organ playing has helped my piano playing too. I am not = sure I can explain it, but I know it has.   They benefit each other.   Neil B   --part1_32.159e97b9.2843f829_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I think piano mastery is indispensible to learning organ, but I = also have <BR>found that my organ playing has helped my piano playing too. &nbsp;I = am not sure I <BR>can explain it, but I know it has. <BR> <BR>They benefit each other. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_32.159e97b9.2843f829_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: music for Organ plus choir... X posted From: <WiegandCJ@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:31:44 EDT   In einer eMail vom 26.05.01 18:32:12 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit = schreibt orge@dreamscape.com:   << Also interesting is the Mass for Choir and two organs of Vierne. >>   We will do it next sunday. Very interesting too is the Mass for two choirs =   and two organs of Widor.   Carl  
(back) Subject: Memorial Day - St. Matthew's ACC, Costa Mesa, CA USA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:00:33 -0700   Opening Voluntary - Largo (New World Symphony) - Dvorak   Proper - Requiem aeternam - Gregorian   Setting - Requiem Mass - Gregorian   Hymns   Nearer, My God, To Thee Rock of Ages Eternal Father, Strong To Save (Taps replaced orison hymn)   No closing voluntary after Taps.       Not a huge crowd, but most of the veterans in the congregation were present, and all the widows.   The curate (a Vietnam veteran) preached a wonderful (if rather stern) sermon about the origin and meaning of Memorial Day, the gist of which was "we're free to celebrate Mass today because they fought and died ....never forget."   Taps (the bugler was out of sight in the long, echoing hallway that parallels the south side of the chapel) took everybody by surprise ... a good cry was had by all.   And that was our Memorial Day ...   Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach        
(back) Subject: Re: The Severance Chamber From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:30:50 EDT     --part1_bb.ed95712.284439aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/28/01 2:04:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > Heck, I would have my head at the top of the Tuba Mirabilis just = waiting > for it if they would let me One of my most memorable experiences of my youth was standing above the Trumpet Royale on the A-S at St. Mark's Beaumont TX while Tom Oliphant = romped away on it. It was glorious!     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_bb.ed95712.284439aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/28/01 2:04:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> &nbsp;Heck, I = would have my head at the top of the Tuba Mirabilis just waiting <BR>for it if they would let me</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">One of my most memorable experiences of my youth = was standing above the <BR>Trumpet Royale on the A-S at St. Mark's Beaumont TX while Tom Oliphant = romped <BR>away on it. &nbsp;It was glorious! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.ed95712.284439aa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organ vs. piano technique From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:33:33 EDT     --part1_d8.6f34a7b.28443a4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/28/01 2:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I think piano mastery is indispensible to learning organ, but I also = have > found that my organ playing has helped my piano playing too. I am not = sure > I > can explain it, but I know it has. > >   Um..... practicing helps! regardless of the keyboard. Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d8.6f34a7b.28443a4d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/28/01 2:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think piano = mastery is indispensible to learning organ, but I also have <BR>found that my organ playing has helped my piano playing too. &nbsp;I = am not sure <BR>I <BR>can explain it, but I know it has. <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Um..... practicing helps! &nbsp;&nbsp;regardless of the keyboard. = &nbsp; <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d8.6f34a7b.28443a4d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Two Scottish Concerts From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:09:23 -0400   These reviews were taken from The Cumnock Express, April 29, 1892, Ayrshire, Scotland, in a newspaper sent to my grandparents in the USA as their April 25 marriage notice was in it. They sailed for America the day after the wedding. The mention of an "American Organ" stirred my curiosity, most pipe organs in that area were made by Harrison & Harrison of England. Judy Ollikkala   KIRKOSWALD On Thursday evening, 21st inst. (past) the Kirkoswald Church Choir, assisted by choristers from Maybole Choral Union, rendered Root & Bradbury's sacred cantata "Daniel" in the Church, the Marquis of Ailsa presiding. A feature of the concert was the strength and fullness of the chorus. The soloists did ample justice to their several parts, though the "King" was a little at fault here and there. Mr. Thomas Gilmour, "Daniel", in one of his solos made a false start, but in the main, executed his part ably and tastefully. Miss Breckenridge, soprano, was most effective in all the parts that fell to her share while the other soloists acquitted themselves really well. Miss Gregory's accompaniments on the American Organ displayed wonderful skill and ability. Nothing like this great = treat has ever been presented to a Kirkoswald audience before, but it is gratifying to think that the musical talent of the parish has been cultivated so well as to produce so satisfactorily such a difficult and high-class cantata. A cordial vote of thanks was awarded to the Marquis of Ailsa, another to Mr. Muir and the choir, and the audience dispersed well pleased with the entertainment.   GALSTON Choral Society This society closed its session on Friday evening with a public recital of the cantata "Daniel", with orchestral accompaniments. The concert took place in the parish church, and drew an audience of between 400 and 500 people. The rendering was a very successful one, and it is worthy of note that the performers were entirely from within the ranks of the society, and comprised a chorus of 60 and orchestra of 12 performers. Provost Young was the conductor, and the soloists were:-Soprano, Mrs. Hendrie; mezzo-soprano, Miss Stewart; contralto, Miss Cunningham; tenor, Mr. Thomas Wilson; baritone, Mr. James Richmond, junior; bass, Mr. James Richmond. The society held its annual social meeting after the performance.  
(back) Subject: "American organs" From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:28:56 -0700   I believe that reed organs are called "American organs" in the British = Isles, though they were also made in Great Britain. Some varieties were quite = large, with a fair number of stops, and two manuals and pedals.   Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach        
(back) Subject: Re: "American organs" From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:26:45 +0800   They were also called "American organs" in Australia; the difference between the American organ and the hramonium was that the former used vacuum while the latter used compressed air. One sucked and the other blew!! But this has been discussed here before. Bob E.   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > I believe that reed organs are called "American organs" in the British = Isles, though they were also made in Great Britain. Some varieties were = quite large, with a fair number of stops, and two manuals and pedals. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT)   Piano technique, as we know it, developed heavily in the virtuoso tradition of the 19th century. The technical demands of organ repertoire expanded in both the 19th and the 20th centuries and ask of a player a far-reaching, more comprehensive technical approach than the repertoire of th 17th and 18th centuries. Bach and his contemporaries had different technical demands because the age of the 19th century virtuoso was far off. Liszt changed everyone's approach to the keyboard and most of the great organ composers (Liszt, Franck, Dupre, Reubke et al.) were also great virtuoso pianists. Saint-Saens was one of the greatest pianists of his time. So yes, dear Bob, to play this repertoire really well, one does have to possess a very fine piano technique because much of the writing is also pianistic. How can one tell the difference between an organist who posseses such a technique as opposed to one who doesn't? Use that thing which many organists do not: the ears. I have heard many of the great organists of our time say they can tell the difference: Gillian Weir, Alexander Frey, David Higgs, Robert Glasgow. In fact, Frey was up for a Grammy nomination for one of his piano recordings! I have also heard Virgil Fox say the same thing. The proof is in the pudding and one can hear it. If you can't, then this discussion is fruitless. JW --- Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> wrote: > Sorry Jack, but I cannot accept that. That means > that Bach and his > contemporaries and many organists of great fame > lacked that "extra sense > of control" since they had no piano technique? How > can we know? > Harpsichord may have been a help since the touch > has a similar "pluck" > to that of a good organ touch. > I would still love to have you prove it. > Bob Elms. > > "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote: > > > > There is an extra sense of control, of phrasing, > of > > touch. if one listens carefully, they can hear > it. > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT)   Diane did in fact study the piano and Mildred Andrews also made her study it when Diane was Andrew's organ student. Miss Bish told me that herself.   --- Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> wrote: > Diane Bish began organ lessons at a very young age. > She was a organist, > playing services and concerts by the age of 15. She > never took piano > first....and don't say something like "that's > evident", because she's a > wonderful organist....... > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:46:47 -0700 (PDT)   Glenn Gould was a very great artist whose recorded output included most of the Beethoven piano sonatas, ALL the Haydn sonatas, the Beethoven piano concerti, a great deal of Brahms (including a controversial but beautiful d-minor concerto with Bernstein and the NY Phil-a live recording), and a great deal of 20th century music as well. His Bach Goldberg Variations recordings at the beginning of his career and end of his life are truly remarkable. I think that y'all need to familiarize yourselves a bit more with this artist before dismissing him so easily. His recordings still are bestsellers. I also recommend some of the new biographies written about Gould. Who cares if he followed performance practice? What is Bach performance practice on the modern piano anyway?   People will still be listening to and enthralled by Gould 100 years from now as they are today. And they will have lost interest and forgotten most of the so-called historic specialists. --- Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Although I am not a Canadian, I live in Canada, and > my sense is that Glenn > Gould was, and still is, hyped up by Canadian > Nationalistic Pride. Whoever > said that his playing of Bach was superb, is totally > out of touch with the > performance of Bach. > > Having said that, I remember that at the Radio > Station where I did a weekly > organ programme there was an LP of Glenn Gould > playing Bach on the organ, - > and it was aired quite a lot in the 15 years of my > programme. > > Partly because I had to play the legally required > 10% Canadian Content, > which helped out the filling in of the log sheets, > and partly because I was > always so amazed that Glenn Gould played an organ > far better than he ever > played a piano! I suspect that he didn't have his > nose only a few inches > above the keyboard either! > > Any one who hasn't heard Glenn Gould hasn't missed > much, - other than this > LP that we had. > > Just my two penn'orth! > > Bob Conway > > > At 10:12 AM 5/28/01 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi Ron. I have never heard Glenn Gould. All I know > about him is what I > >have read in this list. > >Bob E. > > > >RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bob: > > > > > > I hope you are refering to Glenn Gould. As far > as his Bach playing > > > is concerned, he played about as authentically > as Elvis was able > > > to sing! Both followed their own drummer. I > guess that would make > > > Elvis a classical artist and musician. > > > > > > Ron Severin > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Easy Bach, Historical Fingering and Other Dilemmas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:51:44 -0700 (PDT)   I heard that Pogerelich passed away. Is that true? --- AMADPoet@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/28/01 10:56:19 AM Central > Daylight Time, pab@inreach.com > writes: > > << It would be difficult for a pianist to throw > their > head into the sound board since that is inside the > piano, the keyboard, or > the fall board, possibly. >> > > LOL- You'll forgive me for over-exaggerating, > Pogorelich always looks so long > when he sits at the piano that it seems plausible > that he would skip the > keyboard and go straight under the lid! And don't > get me wrong, I'm not > criticizing him at all, he's one of my favorites. > > As for percussiveness in piano playing, I understand > what you said, and I > think I must have expressed myself badly. I think of > playing the piano in > terms of percussion, but not necessarily always > snare drums and gongs. An > accompanist at my school is one of the finest > (unsung) pianists I've heard, > and when he touches the keyboard it sounds like > bells. Bells are percussion > as well, of course. But even when someone plays a > rather quiet percussion > instrument such as the vibraphone, one strikes it. > With the organ one can > make the notes longer or shorter, but it doesn't > necessarily effect the > dynamics if you hit a key or press it lightly. > > Mandy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/