PipeChat Digest #2476 - Friday, November 2, 2001
 
Re: The uninitiated and the layman audiences
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
The uninitiated and the layman audiences
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: The uninitiated and the layman audiences
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
open communion - EVEN FURTHER OFF-TOPIC (grin)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: membership in the parish--off topic
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2475 - 11/02/01
  by "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
RE: Battle hymns
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2474 - 11/02/01
  by "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
Re: open communion - EVEN FURTHER OFF-TOPIC (grin)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The uninitiated and the layman audiences From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:07:04 EST     --part1_7c.1deb0706.29142cb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/2/01 9:42:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > I can see your point, but I also see Hans'. I felt that Dr. Moyer's > unfortunate choice of words left me somewhat insulted as well. > Since I am not an organist, I took his comments to mean that I wouldn't > have enough musical sense to appreciate it. >   Come on folks, pull the chips off!!   Dr. Moyer is not that type of arrogant and condescending person. He is kind and very considerate of audiences, and his comments and observations = are meant to be helpful observations, I'm sure.   I don't understand why some people freely admit that they are "not = organists but know what they like", but then get all bent out of shape because they = are classified as "laymen" which, according to definition, is exactly what = they are. And as Seinfeld says, "not that there's anything wrong with that."     <<With organ student enrollments "falling off a cliff", don't you think that something, somehow, somewhere MUST be done to get this music OUT to the masses ?>>   This is very true, but let's not get things confused. The main reason = organ student enrollment is falling off is because there is little financial = future in it. Who wants to spend all that time and money to get an education = when their future can only offer an occasional wonderful instrument to play, = low salaries, poor (if any) benefits, insecure working conditions, and = virtually no job security... not to mention no retirement benefits.   The people who "get the music to the masses" are generally those with the best publicity and the best show. It's a combination package. There = are different kinds of audiences and different kinds of players. I don't = know if it will help, but it sure would be more pleasant if the competition and =   sniping would stop.   <<and I think that the Felix Hell's and Ken Cowan's of the organ world are the ones to do it.   This really irritates me. There are so many fine organists playing = exciting services and recitals but who don't have the means to get the publicity. =   Almost everyone knows that a big part of success is being in the right = place at the right time.   << Thirty years ago this very same issue was at hand- each side championed = by a prominent organist. The FOX - BIGGS debate waged rampant for years, gradually becoming more and more devisive. I can only tell you that I know = of countless persons that have organ music in their record (CD) libraries BECAUSE of Virgil Fox. >>   Primary because these are the type of people YOU associate with. I = happen to know "countless persons" who love organ music and/or have become = organists or organ music lovers because of Biggs! The two were both great = organists, showmen in their own way, and had substantial followings. But to negate = the work of one because his style is not YOUR favorite is patently unfair, not =   only to them and us, but also to the "untrained laymen" whom you confuse = by trying to steer them into YOUR camp.   <<In just the few short years that Virgil did the "Heavy Organ" series, he singlehandedly developed a whole new population of organ affectionatos. I would even venture to propose that those people - who are now "middle-aged" are some of the people that are fueling the rebuilding and new instruments that we are seeing today.>>   Again, totally unsubstantiated venture opinions only separate and divide, = and prove nothing. I'm pretty certain that there are a significant and = probably equal number of people who enjoyed Biggs who have "made it" financially = and have been influencial in organ rebuilding and promotion. You might also consider that many of the people who went crazy over Fox's "heavy organ" stuff are responsible for many Rodgers and Allen installations! That's a hell of a legacy!!   <<The AGO is telling us that there will be a SEVERE organist shortage in the next 10 years, and the LAST thing the organ community should be doing is criticizing those who DO appeal to the wider population.>>   And it is certainly not productive to be discounting the efforts of the = many, MANY organists who bring the organ and its music to small audiences who aren't graces with the presence of "the biggies."   This fascination many people have with the biggest and loudest and fastest = is really a significant contribution to the decrease in the number of people willing to give their lives to the cause of the pipe organ.     Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_7c.1deb0706.29142cb8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/2/01 9:42:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I can see your = point, but I also see Hans'. I felt that Dr. Moyer's <BR>unfortunate choice of words left me somewhat insulted as well. <BR>Since I am not an organist, I took his comments to mean that I = wouldn't <BR>have enough musical sense to appreciate it. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Come on folks, pull the chips off!! <BR> <BR>Dr. Moyer is not that type of arrogant and condescending person. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He is kind and very considerate of audiences, and his = comments and observations are meant to be helpful observations, I'm sure. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I don't understand why some people freely admit that they are "not = organists but know what they like", but then get all bent out of shape = because they are classified as "laymen" which, according to definition, is = exactly what they are. &nbsp;&nbsp;And as Seinfeld says, "not that there's = anything wrong with that." <BR> <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt;With organ student enrollments "falling off a cliff", don't = you think <BR>that something, somehow, somewhere MUST be done to get this music OUT = to <BR>the masses ?&gt;&gt; <BR> <BR>This is very true, but let's not get things confused. &nbsp;&nbsp;The = main reason organ student enrollment is falling off is because there is = little financial future in it. &nbsp;Who wants to spend all that time and = money to get an education when their future can only offer an occasional = wonderful instrument to play, low salaries, poor (if any) benefits, = insecure working conditions, and virtually no job security... not to = mention no retirement benefits. <BR> <BR>The people who "get the music to the masses" are generally those with = the best publicity and the best show. &nbsp;It's a combination package. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There are different kinds of audiences and different = kinds of players. &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't know if it will help, but it sure = would be more pleasant if the competition and sniping would stop. <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt;and I think that the Felix Hell's and Ken Cowan's of the organ <BR>world are the ones to do it. <BR> <BR>This really irritates me. &nbsp;&nbsp;There are so many fine organists = playing exciting services and recitals but who don't have the means to get = the publicity. &nbsp;&nbsp;Almost everyone knows that a big part of = success is being in the right place at the right time. <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt; Thirty years ago this very same issue was at hand- each side = championed by a prominent organist. &nbsp;The FOX - BIGGS debate waged = rampant for years, gradually becoming more and more devisive. I can only = tell you that I know of countless persons that have organ music in their = record (CD) libraries BECAUSE of Virgil Fox. &gt;&gt; <BR> <BR>Primary because these are the type of people YOU associate with. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I happen to know "countless = persons" who love organ music and/or have become organists or organ music = lovers because of Biggs! &nbsp;&nbsp;The two were both great organists, = showmen in their own way, and had substantial followings. &nbsp;But to = negate the work of one because his style is not YOUR favorite is patently = unfair, not only to them and us, but also to the "untrained laymen" whom = you confuse by trying to steer them into YOUR camp. <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt;In just the few short years that Virgil did the "Heavy Organ" = series, he <BR>singlehandedly developed &nbsp;a whole new population of organ = affectionatos. <BR>I would even venture to propose that those people - who are now <BR>"middle-aged" are some of the people that are fueling the rebuilding = and <BR>new instruments that we are seeing today.&gt;&gt; <BR> <BR>Again, totally unsubstantiated venture opinions only separate and = divide, and prove nothing. &nbsp;I'm pretty certain that there are a = significant and probably equal number of people who enjoyed Biggs who have = "made it" financially and have been influencial in organ rebuilding and = promotion. &nbsp;&nbsp;You might also consider that many of the people who = went crazy over Fox's "heavy organ" stuff are responsible for many Rodgers = and Allen installations! &nbsp;That's a hell of a legacy!! <BR> <BR>&lt;&lt;The AGO is telling us that there will be a SEVERE organist = shortage in <BR>the next 10 years, and the LAST thing the organ community &nbsp;should = be <BR>doing is criticizing those who DO appeal to the wider = population.&gt;&gt; <BR> <BR>And it is certainly not productive to be discounting the efforts of = the many, MANY organists who bring the organ and its music to small = audiences who aren't graces with the presence of "the biggies." <BR> <BR>This fascination many people have with the biggest and loudest and = fastest is really a significant contribution to the decrease in the number = of people willing to give their lives to the cause of the pipe organ. <BR> <BR> <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_7c.1deb0706.29142cb8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: The uninitiated and the layman audiences From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:11:37 EST   Dear Douglas and list   I strongly second your post. When I, as an organist go to a recital the expectation is a variety interesting music, registrational color, etc. I have a good ear for what the layman likes to hear, which appeals to me also. Cacophony, dissonance, and utter decadence in some so called modern writing is noise and nothing more. The Hindemith Sonatas are dissonant but the writing is contrapuntal, colorful, and interesting to listen to. Something of that genre sprinkled into a concert is welcome and fun. I like warhorses, soft introspecive pieces, Bach, 18th century French and English pieces, Franck, that kind of stuff. People will come to a concert to hear organ music especially if the performer has a reputation for a well balanced. interesting program. People want to be touched in a variety of ways in a single concert. There are many 20th century composers who write well crafted music, and should be sprinkled into a concert as well. People like transcriptions. Strictly academic, heavy concerts have been killing off interest of people who would ordinarily attend, even organists. IMHO organists who play concerts, the most successful of which, communicate verbal program notes, and interact with the concert goer. Enthusiasm is contageous!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: The uninitiated and the layman audiences From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:11:52   Dear Pipechatters - I mostly lurk on the list, following the various threads with varying degrees of interest. My first exposure to recorded organ music was Virgil Fox's Encores album. I played that one until it broke (fortunately, I have =   it now on CD). My mother also had EPB's album of organ & brass with the Texas Boys Choir, so I had both ends of the Fox-Biggs cold war.   I think that Dr Moyer's comments were elitist, and do not serve the organ cause well at all. I try not to let myself feel insulted by such = ramblings, I just don't pay them much heed. (The same goes for reviews of plays, concerts and movies that I've seen or heard, where I enjoyed the performance, and the newspaper reviewer trashed it. How can 18,000 screaming, cheering fans at a Neil Diamond concert be wrong?)   I've attended several organ recitals/concerts, both the "Academic" and the =   "Concert" type. Academic recitals do tend to bore me as well. I've also attended several Concert-type recitals, and I enjoy them much more, especially when the organist talks to the audience, sharing information about the music, and any other items.   I attended Felix Hell's concert last March in St. Helena (Napa Valley, = CA), and agree that he is one of the shining stars of the organ world. I thoroughly enjoyed his performance. I hope to be able to hear Ken Cowan someday.   BTW, I consider myself to be somewhat of a "layman" audience member, although definitely NOT uninitiated.   David Carter Sacramento, CA   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: open communion - EVEN FURTHER OFF-TOPIC (grin) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:30:49 -0800     --------------E89E4EFFB8160C94F29E37C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Folks, this surfaces from time to time.   Communion is a PRIVILEGE afforded to the BELIEVER, *not* a RIGHT accorded to anyone who wanders in off the street.   First, Scripture: St. Paul sets down very high standards for those who come to the Lord's Supper, lest they "eat and drink damnation, not discerning the Lord's body." (I Corinthians 11:23 and following)   Second, Tradition: NO ONE who submits to Baptism, Instruction, Confirmation and Confession has EVER been refused Holy Communion in a Church of the Catholic tradition (RC, Anglican, Orthodox, Lutheran, Old Catholic, etc.).   Historically, those who weren't baptized and instructed were allowed to attend the FIRST part of the liturgy, through the Gospel (and sermon); at THAT point they were DISMISSED ... "All catechumens, depart! Let no catechumen remain!" is STILL a part of the Eastern Orthodox liturgy.   Only the FAITHFUL were allowed to chant the Creed and hear and see what followed. To this day, some Orthodox priests won't give communion to strangers unless they identify themselves to him as Orthodox believers BEFORE the liturgy begins.   In the West, we allow anyone to hear and see the whole of the Eucharist. They aren't UNWELCOME at the communion rail; there are simply REQUIREMENTS for receiving Holy Communion: baptism, instruction, confirmation and confession; AND a lively faith in the Real Presence, however the various Catholic bodies define it.   Quite aside from St. Paul's admonition, there's simply no POINT in a non-believer receiving Holy Communion. It doesn't DO anything. I'm not a Receptionist ... it's still the Body and Blood of Christ ... but receiving it in ignorance or error doesn't allow the graces flowing from reception to operate, I would think.   When I go to Mass in an RC church, or Divine Liturgy in an Eastern Orthodox church, I KNOW I'm not allowed to receive Holy Communion ... their churches, their rules ... and that doesn't bother me. I'm not allowed to receive in MY church if I'm not in a state of grace. But the Sacrifice of Calvary is still lifted up to God the Father on behalf of the living and the dead ... I DON'T have to receive Holy Communion in order to take part in THAT, the most IMPORTANT part of the Eucharist. Communion IS the natural conclusion to making Eucharist, to be sure; but it's not ESSENTIAL ... nor is it POSSIBLE in all cases. I can fully participate in the Eucharist WITHOUT receiving, and there are many occasions when I DON'T receive ... multiple Masses on Sundays and Holy Days, times when I'm not able to fast, or I haven't gone to confession, etc.   With respect, Bruce, "pleasant" doesn't enter into the equation. Nor has the practice of open communion brought churches who practice it any closer to ORGANIC unity.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 11/2/01 12:18:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > markkoontz@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> Otherwise, I'm not sure that it makes much difference if you are >> actually a >> member of the church or not. I've seen it be pleasant either way. >> And if they >> won't serve you communion, BYOB&W. Offer yours to everybody else. >> Or ask, "If >> Jesus was willing to serve Judas, why aren't you willing to serve >> me?" > > Good post, Mark..... and welcome. > > What a funny image of an alternative communion station over next to > the console for the disenfranchised. > > Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ > and wander through the Mall Without Walls > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi   --------------E89E4EFFB8160C94F29E37C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Folks, this surfaces from time to time. <p>Communion is a PRIVILEGE afforded to the BELIEVER, *not* a RIGHT accorded to anyone who wanders in off the street. <p>First, Scripture: St. Paul sets down very high standards for those who come to the Lord's Supper, lest they "eat and drink damnation, not = discerning the Lord's body." (I Corinthians 11:23 and following) <p>Second, Tradition: NO ONE who submits to Baptism, Instruction, = Confirmation and Confession has EVER been refused Holy Communion in a Church of the Catholic tradition (RC, Anglican, Orthodox, Lutheran, Old Catholic, etc.). <p>Historically, those who weren't baptized and instructed were allowed to attend the FIRST part of the liturgy, through the Gospel (and sermon); at THAT point they were DISMISSED ... "All catechumens, depart! Let no catechumen remain!" is STILL a part of the Eastern Orthodox liturgy. <p>Only the FAITHFUL were allowed to chant the Creed and hear and see what followed. To this day, some Orthodox priests won't give communion to = strangers unless they identify themselves to him as Orthodox believers BEFORE the liturgy begins. <p>In the West, we allow anyone to hear and see the whole of the = Eucharist. They aren't UNWELCOME at the communion rail; there are simply REQUIREMENTS for receiving Holy Communion: baptism, instruction, confirmation and = confession; AND a lively faith in the Real Presence, however the various Catholic = bodies define it. <p>Quite aside from St. Paul's admonition, there's simply no POINT in a non-believer receiving Holy Communion. It doesn't DO anything. I'm not a Receptionist ... it's still the Body and Blood of Christ ... but = receiving it in ignorance or error doesn't allow the graces flowing from reception to operate, I would think. <p>When I go to Mass in an RC church, or Divine Liturgy in an Eastern = Orthodox church, I KNOW I'm not allowed to receive Holy Communion ... their = churches, their rules ... and that doesn't bother me. I'm not allowed to receive in MY church if I'm not in a state of grace. But the Sacrifice of Calvary is still lifted up to God the Father on behalf of the living and the dead .... I DON'T have to receive Holy Communion in order to take part in THAT, the most IMPORTANT part of the Eucharist. Communion IS the natural = conclusion to making Eucharist, to be sure; but it's not ESSENTIAL ... nor is it = POSSIBLE in all cases. I can fully participate in the Eucharist WITHOUT receiving, and there are many occasions when I DON'T receive ... multiple Masses on Sundays and Holy Days, times when I'm not able to fast, or I haven't gone to confession, etc. <p>With respect, Bruce, "pleasant" doesn't enter into the equation. Nor has the practice of open communion brought churches who practice it any closer to ORGANIC unity. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 11/2/01 12:18:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, markkoontz@yahoo.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Otherwise, I'm not sure that it makes much difference if you are actually = a</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>member of the church or not.&nbsp; I've seen it be pleasant either way.&nbsp; And if = they</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>won't serve you = communion, BYOB&amp;W.&nbsp; Offer yours to everybody else.&nbsp; Or ask, = "If</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Jesus was willing to = serve Judas, why aren't you willing to serve me?"</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Good post, = Mark..... and welcome.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>What a = funny image of an alternative communion station over next to the console for the disenfranchised.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Please = visit Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>&nbsp; = and wander through the Mall Without Walls</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------E89E4EFFB8160C94F29E37C5--    
(back) Subject: Re: membership in the parish--off topic From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:30:16 EST   MarkKoontz@yahoo.com writes:   >And if > they > won't serve you communion, BYOB&W. Offer yours to everybody else. Or = ask, > "If > Jesus was willing to serve Judas, why aren't you willing to serve me?" >     ROFLMAO!! This is a true treasure, Mark. Welcome to the list. If this = is a sample of your deep and serious side, I cannot wait until you = intentionally offer a witticism.   I've been in situations where I was not welcome at the Lord's Table. In = one instance, it was made quite clear that only the "elect and elite" were allowed to engage in Communion with the Almighty. If one of the = leper-like uninvited went to the Communion rail, the God Squad clergy would simply = pass you by. I found it somewhat amusing that these strict legalistic's were offering the Sacraments which consisted of Delaware Punch and wallpaste wafers. Orthodoxy! Can't beat it.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2475 - 11/02/01 From: "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:50:50 -0000   The effect of any swell enclosure having a greater effect upon the high frequencies is a basic law of physics as applied to the science of acoustics.   High audio frequencies, with their short physical wavelengths, are more easily reflected and / or absorbed by smaller surfaces than low = frequencies.   For example, glass is acoustically transparent (ie - the sound passes straight through unimpeded) to low frequencies (actual pitch being = dependant upon the thickness and size of the pane of glass), but this same sheet of glass will reflect high frequencies very nicely, thank you.   When it comes to plexiglass as used in theatre organ swell fronts, or = sheets of timber with damping material between, or even solid timber, whether fitted with so-called 'sound trap joints' or not, the degree of = attenuation of the differing frequencies may be calculated if :-   a) the type of material used for the shutters and swell enclosure is = known, b) the thickness of the material used is known, and c) the loudness (in decibels) of the 'noise' source.   The resulting calculation will give you an exact attenuation factor for = all frequencies so enclosed. Further calculations may be done to show the effect of the shutters during any stage of their opening between fully closed and fully open.   Very similar calculations may be used to predict the frequency response of the reverberation, and the period of the reverberation, within the = listening area, once the sound has escaped the swell box.   KE  
(back) Subject: RE: Battle hymns From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:54:45 -0500   Paul remarks:   It is part of the progressive emasculation of the church (see _The Church Impotent_, by Leon Podles)   Alan begs: Tell me more!   Paul again: That season [the 'gesimas] has completely disappeared from the calendar!   And Alan: I think Bud's people still have it.   And Paul: Freemasonry is undergoing a revival,   Alan incredulates: Really? Is that true?            
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2474 - 11/02/01 From: "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:56:29 -0000   Swell shutters   Bruce, your email address being '.co.uk' - get down to St Paul's Cathedral in London. The (Father WIllis) Swell Organ there, with only 12 stops, is enclosed in one of the worlds most effective swell boxes.   The sides and rear are formed of the stone columns and side wall of the clerestory, and the front is Willis usual 3" thick timber. The box is not deep enough to allow all the ranks to be placed behind one another, so the box is actually wide and shallow (about 3' deep if memory serves = correctly, with 2 soundboards end to end behind a 'double front' of shutters).   The effect of the 'Full Swell' (Reeds at 16, 8, 4, plus the Vrk mixture) = is thrilling, when taken from box fully closed (muted bass reed, no treble) = to fully open (blaze of harmonics gradually brightens and fills the = cathedral).   The low frequencies from the pipework are almost unnaffected in this = swell, but the overall effect is spine tingling.   KE  
(back) Subject: Re: open communion - EVEN FURTHER OFF-TOPIC (grin) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:00:11 EST   Hi Bud   You are right on target with your response as usual. You are a principaled person, and you definitely know theologically what you are talking about. I hope people will give up on inclusiveness and it's inherent heresies soon. It causes problems that are unwarrented and unnecessary. Little or no knowledge, and feelings can be extremely dangerous. I'm glad you posted this.   Ron Severin