PipeChat Digest #2478 - Saturday, November 3, 2001
 
Re: Acoustics 101 - some musings
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: RTRFM
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: IRC tonight
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: RTRFM
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Tour damage tomorrow
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Christmas Song needed
  by "Joe Elliffe" <jelliffe@atlantic.net>
Re: Christmas Song needed
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Christmas Song needed
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics 101 - some musings From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:59:13 EST     --part1_8a.edd8838.2914a971_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/2/2001 2:54:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > > So, in the typical case, if the room is dead, it absorbs the high > frequencies in particular. > > Why, then, do we also say that in such rooms top-heavy organ design or > voicing is usually unsuccessful, and a more foundational approach is = needed; > whereis the reverberent rooms are the ones that like a brilliant sound > source? >   My opinion here -   part of the reason for the >percieved< harshness in "Top-heavy" organ = designs is that the reverberation period and the room resonance change how we percieve the sounds. in a dry, non-reverberant room, there is (to my ears) = a more agressive attack of sound, and an almost agressive "release" as well, =   giving the apparent character of abruptness (for lack of a better word at this moment). Rebverberant rooms seem to have a smoothing effect (on the release in particular).   Remember, that in the typical European church from which the = revival-movement organs have been based, there is a resonant and (somewhat) reverberant acoustic that is more often than not missing in the modern american church =   sanctuary. I would not be surprised to find that if you transplanted one = of the great MasterBuilders' organs (say Schnitger, for example) into a = typical modern american church, it would take on a more harsh character also.   The increase of knowledge and PROPER understanding of the organ building practices for the masters like Schnitger (and the subsequent emulation of same) over the past 20-some years has seen a reversal of the over-the-top designs prevalent in the 60's (late) and 70's.   Rick in VA   --part1_8a.edd8838.2914a971_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/2/2001 2:54:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>So, in the typical case, if the room is dead, it absorbs the high <BR>frequencies in particular. <BR> <BR>Why, then, do we also say that in such rooms top-heavy organ design or <BR>voicing is usually unsuccessful, and a more foundational approach is = needed; <BR>whereis the reverberent rooms are the ones that like a brilliant sound <BR>source? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>My opinion here - <BR> <BR>part of the reason for the &gt;percieved&lt; harshness in "Top-heavy" = organ designs is that the reverberation period and the room resonance = change how we percieve the sounds. in a dry, non-reverberant room, there = is (to my ears) a more agressive attack of sound, and an almost agressive = "release" as well, giving the apparent character of abruptness (for lack = of a better word at this moment). Rebverberant rooms seem to have a = smoothing effect (on the release in particular). <BR> <BR>Remember, that in the typical European church from which the = revival-movement organs have been based, there is a resonant and = (somewhat) reverberant acoustic that is more often than not missing in the = modern american church sanctuary. I would not be surprised to find that if = you transplanted one of the great MasterBuilders' organs (say Schnitger, = for example) into a typical modern american church, it would take on a = more harsh character also. <BR> <BR>The increase of knowledge and PROPER understanding of the organ = building practices for the masters like Schnitger (and the subsequent = emulation of same) over the past 20-some years has seen a reversal of the = over-the-top designs prevalent in the 60's (late) and 70's. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8a.edd8838.2914a971_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: RTRFM From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:07:42 EST   Greetings,   What is the URL for RTRFM?   Thanks, Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC tonight From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:07:49 -0600   >In addition, RTRFM is back on Real Player directly as in the past >join us for gossip and Theatre Organ Time.   And TO Time is now on at the beginning of chat sessions due to the time change. So if you want to listen get there NOW!!   David  
(back) Subject: Re: RTRFM From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:10:33 -0600   >What is the URL for RTRFM?     Go to http://www.live365.com and search for RTRFM. TO Time is playing as i write this   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Tour damage tomorrow From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:15:03 EST     --part1_127.6839d31.2914ad27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/2/01 8:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparky@CEINetworks.com writes:     > Let them scrap the organ. Insurance should cover a new one. Oh wait! > insurance is not set up right (as is the case in most churchs). I still > think you should scrap it all. If it is a poor church, they probably = would > be better off with an electronic (preferably not an allen hehe).   Egad..... what a horrible thing to do to a poor church!!!! being poor doesn't make them less worthy of a pipe organ!   Actually, my concern here is if they are going to try to rebuilt/replicate =   the beautiful old building that was lost. I would love to see some photographs of the interior.   Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_127.6839d31.2914ad27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/2/01 8:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparky@CEINetworks.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Let them scrap the = organ. &nbsp;Insurance should cover a new one. &nbsp;Oh wait! <BR>insurance is not set up right (as is the case in most churchs). = &nbsp;I still <BR>think you should scrap it all. &nbsp;If it is a poor church, they = probably would <BR>be better off with an electronic (preferably not an allen hehe). = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Egad..... what a horrible thing to do to a poor church!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;being poor doesn't make them less worthy of a pipe organ! <BR> <BR>Actually, my concern here is if they are going to try to = rebuilt/replicate the beautiful old building that was lost. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = would love to see some photographs of the interior. <BR> <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_127.6839d31.2914ad27_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Christmas Song needed From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelliffe@atlantic.net> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:47:38 -0500   I have an English priest who asks for a song called "Little Donkey" for the Christmas Eve Children's service- Can anyone point me to a source   Thanks in advance Joe      
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Song needed From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:52:03 EST     --part1_126.6885942.2914b5d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/2/2001 9:44:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jelliffe@atlantic.net writes:     > I have an English priest who asks for a song > called "Little Donkey" for the Christmas Eve > Children's service- Can anyone point me to a > source > > Thanks in advance > Joe >   Not absolutely sure about his one, but MAYBE it is a John Rutter piece...seems like his name is connected to this piece in my dusty memory   Rick in VA     --part1_126.6885942.2914b5d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/2/2001 9:44:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jelliffe@atlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have an English = priest who asks for a song <BR>called "Little Donkey" for the Christmas Eve <BR>Children's service- Can anyone point me to a <BR>source <BR> <BR>Thanks in advance <BR>Joe <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Not absolutely sure about his one, but MAYBE it is a John Rutter = piece...seems like his name is connected to this piece in my dusty memory <BR> <BR>Rick in VA <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_126.6885942.2914b5d3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Song needed From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:52:17 -0500   I think that it in the John Rutter opus   At 09:47 PM 11/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have an English priest who asks for a song >called "Little Donkey" for the Christmas Eve >Children's service- Can anyone point me to a >source > >Thanks in advance >Joe > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org