PipeChat Digest #2486 - Tuesday, November 6, 2001
 
Re: King of Kings - David Briggs
  by "Neil Shepherd" <neil@neilshepherd.com>
RE: King of Kings - David Briggs
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Thomas Trotter Recital
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01
  by "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
Nigel Potts
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
IRC chat tonight
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
New Fisk arrives in Gainesville
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New Fisk arrives in Gainesville
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Rodgers Global Series 525
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: King of Kings - David Briggs From: "Neil Shepherd" <neil@neilshepherd.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:41:04 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01C16618.A8E7DB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Friends,   David Briggs, acting Asst Director of Music at Gloucester Cathedral (UK) = =3D is performing a live improvised accompaniment to the Cecil B De Milne =3D film "King of Kings" on the Kleiss organ in Bath Abbey tomorrow (6th =3D November at 7.30pm) as part of the Bath International Film Festival. - A = =3D rare treat not to be missed!   Anyone interested in attending should telephone Bath Festival Trust Box = =3D Office on 01225 463362 (Credit/Debit cards) to obtain a ticket.=3D20   This will be a fantastic experience!   Regards   Neil Shepherd Organist and Director of Music, St John The Baptist, Keynsham Proprietor, West of England Music 6 Priory Road, Keynsham, Bristol BS31 2BX, UK Telephone/Fax 0117-908-2567     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01C16618.A8E7DB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">Friends,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">David Briggs, acting = Asst =3D Director of=3D20 Music at Gloucester Cathedral (UK) is performing a live improvised =3D accompaniment=3D20 to the Cecil B De Milne film "King of Kings" on the Kleiss organ in Bath = =3D Abbey=3D20 tomorrow (6th November at 7.30pm) as part of the Bath International Film = =3D   Festival. - A rare treat not to be missed!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">Anyone interested in =3D attending should=3D20 telephone Bath Festival Trust Box Office on 01225 463362 (Credit/Debit =3D cards) to=3D20 obtain a ticket. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">This will be a = fantastic=3D20 experience!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#800000 face=3D3D"Tw Cen MT">Neil = Shepherd<BR>Organist =3D and Director=3D20 of Music, St John The Baptist, Keynsham<BR>Proprietor, West of = England=3D20 Music<BR>6 Priory Road, Keynsham, Bristol BS31 2BX, = UK<BR>Telephone/Fax=3D20 0117-908-2567<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0012_01C16618.A8E7DB20--    
(back) Subject: RE: King of Kings - David Briggs From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:06:29 -0500   I used to cringe when I heard of a continental organ being installed in an English church. Then I heard the brand new Klais at Bath Abbey used for = an especially festive choral evensong one Sunday. In just one hour, it cured me of the cringe.   This may be by a German builder, but the way it was used I would not have recognized it as a German organ. It is superb at supporting the Anglican choral service. I was also impressed with its breadth and guts in = general, especially in that its transept location might be less than ideal. Maybe it can sound like a German organ, too, when desired. I wouldn't doubt = that it can pinch hit as a theatre organ. Wish I could be there!      
(back) Subject: Re: Thomas Trotter Recital From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:44:20 -0600   At 9:25 AM -0600 11/5/01, Jack Martin wrote: >I can't remember all of the places he said he was playing on this >tour -- I do remember First Congregational in Los Angeles -- but if >you get a chance to hear him, don't miss it. It was the best >recital I've heard in years.   Mr. Trotter will be playing the same program a week from Tomorrow - Tuesday, November 13 - at First United Methodist Church in Little Rock, AR. The program is co-sponsored by First UMC and the Central Arkansas Chapter, AGO. The organ is a 1984 Casavant that has had major revoicing, reed replacement and some tonal/stoplist modifications done on it by Nichols and Simpson, Inc., Organbuilders.   The Chapter has dinner preceding the recital with a "Punch Bowl" starting at 6:00 PM - the cost is $7.50 and reservations are required for the dinner.   There is more information about the recital and the organ on the Chapter Web Site at: http://www.cacago.org There is also information about the other Chapter programs on the web site along with a listing of various events happening at members' churches.   if you are in the area we would love to have you join us for the recital and dinner.   David Scribner Newsletter Editor, CACAGO Little Rock, AR    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01 From: "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:51:21 -0000   Oh how glad I was to read Bob Elms' statement on equal temperament, and = even more so, when I saw that he suggested that those who wish to dredge up the horrors of the past could be mistaken in their efforts.   The following suggestion from John Speller that equal temperament may not = be as equal as equal, whilst semi-fallacious, does have a basis in truth, but not for the reasons he thinks.   Bear in mind that the best organ tuners tune by ear. Even the 'best attempt' at 'laying the bearings' may not yeild a satisfactory (to the tuner's ears) result the first time round, and 'laying the bearings' may = be redone several times until the tuner is satisfied with his work on the 'scale'.   BUT - if accurate measurements were then to be taken, the intervals would not necessarily all be completely the same.   From experience, I have found that different tuners will lay the bearings = in a slightly different way, and will 'split the beat' at a different point = in the scale. I know one, who always slightly stretches some intervals, and decreases others, and this produces an effect that is unnoticeable, unless you actually go around the bearings and listen carefully. The 'beat' of = 'C' to 'F' for example, is an almost exact 'twice a fifth' number of beats, whilst the 'C#' to 'F#' is much faster, at perhaps 3.5 to 4 times the 'theorotical fifth number of beats'. This does mean that items played in the keys of D, G, B, and A, have a richer, brighter sound, to them, than those played in the keys of C and F, for example.   But, even his methods do not come near the cacaphonic noise that can be produced by trying to play in the key of C# minor on an instrument tuned = in unequal 'perfect' temperament. In the days when this was done, keyboards frequently were noted as having a 'split c#/db' (for example), in other words, 14 notes per octave, rather than 13, although the D# and Eb were often 'split' as well, with a single note for each of these two, in the bottom octave, which was clearly identified as such (either C# or Db for example).   I have found it exteremly amusing that those who champion thge tuning in unequal temperament, should bastardize the translation of JSBach's 'well tempered clavier'. The original German meaning of 'well tempered' is = 'equal tuning'. And what did Bach do with it??? No more than write a prelude and fugue in every possible key, to prove it could be done. Play that series = on unequal tuning at your peril!!!!   KE  
(back) Subject: Nigel Potts From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:56:23 -0500   Hi List, Following up on the laudatory comments of Karl Moyer and Peter Storandt some of you may be interested in the reviews of Nigel's first CD. to = quote : His debut CD 'Around the World in 80 Minutes' (Guild GMCD7165) recorded on the organ in the Church of the Sacred Heart, Wimbledon, London has been reviewed favorably by critics in England, the USA and Australia as an = organ which: 'clearly inspires the richly talented Nigel Potts to great heights of achievement in his compellingly splendid playing.' (Organists' Review, UK, May 2000). 'the Durufle Scherzo played so lovingly.' (The American Organist, Oct = 2000). 'The playing is excellent throughout as are the choices of registrations. = We hear sweeping crescendi and diminuendi and complex, juxtaposed, = orchestrally inspired registrations...' (Sydney Organ Journal, Nov 2000). There is ordering information , sound clips etc. at http://www.guildmusic.com/catalog/gui7165z.htm Towers in NYC had copies quite recently, they would be worth checking out. The 1912 J.W. Walker organ is simply magnificent in a wonderful acoustic. =   It has been carefully looked after by Mander's and gives a fine account of itself.   HD    
(back) Subject: IRC chat tonight From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:09:23 -0800   9 p.m. Eastern Time.   Directions for newbies on the PipeChat homepage,   http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01 From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:52:47 EST   Dear Ken   Bach knew equal temperment and never used it. You guys really go to extremes with your arguments. Well temper is well temper! For one thing mixtures and mutations are out of tune with equal. Bach liked Silbermann 1/6th comma and said so. With equal the thirds and sixths are so squezzed that they are 15-17 beats out of tune in equal. Well temper was never equal tuning or anything close to it except perhaps Kellner or Young. There are some organs that Silbermann built that were retuned briefly in equal and returned to their original temperment. Why? The results were unsatisfactory.   Now I've heard it up to here with C# and Db this other. Baroque instruments are what they are. They sound better in Well Temper. There is absolutely no charm at all in equal, but it seems to be the temperment of choice, so be it! I use Tartini Vallotti when ever I play on Sunday or I use Kellner. I have never had the horror problems you described. I use standard keys of the liturature including Bach's. No problems at all. Please explain that! I'm sure you can dredge up the odd hymn in five flats, well I transpose to two sharps with no problem.   I'm not advocating that everyone should retune to well temper, but if you are playing a so called Baroque instrument, and playing Baroque liturature, there again should be no problem, but concordance. Modern hymns are written favoring close keys in well temper, very few go outside those perameters, and those that do can be transposed a half step. There are a rare few of those. So what's the real argument? Silbermann tuned to A=3D415 and 1/6th Comma. His mixtures sang and his reeds were something to behold. Tuning to a lowered A also relieved the stress in all keys. His instruments were and are a thing of true beauty.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2484 - 11/04/01 From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:19:25 -0600   Bach's objections to Silberman's Wolf are well documented!!. When the ISO visited Freiburg several years ago, the Germans has a clever skit prepared for us with Herr Silberman and his pet wolf. A tuning chart was provided which showed how the Silberman temperament had been silghtly modified for present day use. Roy Redman   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Ken > > Bach knew equal temperment and never used it. You guys really go > to extremes with your arguments. Well temper is well temper! For > one thing mixtures and mutations are out of tune with equal. Bach > liked Silbermann 1/6th comma and said so. With equal the thirds > and sixths are so squezzed that they are 15-17 beats out of tune > in equal. Well temper was never equal tuning or anything close to > it except perhaps Kellner or Young. There are some organs that > Silbermann built that were retuned briefly in equal and returned to > their original temperment. Why? The results were unsatisfactory. > > Now I've heard it up to here with C# and Db this other. Baroque > instruments are what they are. They sound better in Well Temper. > There is absolutely no charm at all in equal, but it seems to be > the temperment of choice, so be it! I use Tartini Vallotti when ever > I play on Sunday or I use Kellner. I have never had the horror > problems you described. I use standard keys of the liturature including > Bach's. No problems at all. Please explain that! I'm sure you can > dredge up the odd hymn in five flats, well I transpose to two sharps > with no problem. > > I'm not advocating that everyone should retune to well temper, but > if you are playing a so called Baroque instrument, and playing > Baroque liturature, there again should be no problem, but concordance. > Modern hymns are written favoring close keys in well temper, very few > go outside those perameters, and those that do can be transposed a > half step. There are a rare few of those. So what's the real argument? > Silbermann tuned to A=3D415 and 1/6th Comma. His mixtures sang > and his reeds were something to behold. Tuning to a lowered A > also relieved the stress in all keys. His instruments were and are > a thing of true beauty. > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: New Fisk arrives in Gainesville From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:25:17 EST     --part1_16c.373995e.2918c02d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The new Fisk arrived yesterday at First Presbyterian, Gainesville FL. = It's all over the church. Casework in the narthex, miscellaneous wood work, support, and connections all over the nave, and the fellowship hall is = full of the 32 Bourdon!!!   It makes me feel like a little kid. The swell box is put together = already on the "shelf" at the front of the nave where the organ will reside. The =   member of the church who supervised the renovation was there and was = showing me around the building. He's thought of everything to make access easy = and convenient. In the hall behind the choir loft there is a large access = door so the console mechanism can be easily serviced. It's going to be gorgeous.   I'll keep you posted. The specs are on the Fisk site.   Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_16c.373995e.2918c02d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>The new Fisk arrived = yesterday at First Presbyterian, Gainesville FL. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's all over = the church. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Casework in the narthex, miscellaneous wood = work, support, &nbsp;and connections all over the nave, and the fellowship = hall is full of the 32 Bourdon!!! <BR> <BR>It makes me feel like a little kid. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The swell = box is put together already on the "shelf" at the front of the nave where = the organ will reside. &nbsp;&nbsp;The member of the church who supervised = the renovation was there and was showing me around the building. = &nbsp;&nbsp;He's thought of everything to make access easy and convenient. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the hall behind the choir loft there is a large = access door so the console mechanism can be easily serviced. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's going to be gorgeous. <BR> <BR>I'll keep you posted. &nbsp;&nbsp;The specs are on the Fisk site. <BR> <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_16c.373995e.2918c02d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Fisk arrives in Gainesville From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:47:32 EST   Hi Bruce   How big of a Fisky is it? You didn't mention a 32' Bombard. :(   Ron  
(back) Subject: Rodgers Global Series 525 From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:18:15 +1030   Anyone know when the 525 was released onto the market, and is a used model worth considering? Because it was made in Italy would there be any = heartache caused by difficulty in obtaining spare chips, etc.? Ian.