PipeChat Digest #2488 - Wednesday, November 7, 2001
 
Re: New Fisk arrives in Gainesville
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New England Church Positions
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: New England Church Positions
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New England Church Positions
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: New England Church Positions
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Orchestration for Dummies
  by "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2487 - 11/06/01 - Temperament
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2487 - 11/06/01 - Temperament
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: Orchestration for Dummies
  by <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: New Fisk arrives in Gainesville From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:47:05 EST     --part1_104.bcd0d42.2919ec99_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/6/01 8:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:     > Is the venerable Hinners upstairs still giving interim service? >   Noop... It has gone to a venerable new home!   The new swell box sits where the Hinners did previously. One = interesting feature I failed to note, is that the cover on the pallet box is clear, so =   you can watch the pallets whamming away. Too neat!! The workmanship = is beautiful.   Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_104.bcd0d42.2919ec99_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/6/01 8:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is the venerable = Hinners upstairs still giving interim service? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Noop... It has gone to a venerable new home! <BR> <BR>The new swell box sits where the Hinners did previously. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One interesting feature I failed to note, is that the = cover on the pallet box is clear, so you can watch the pallets whamming = away. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Too neat!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The workmanship is = beautiful. <BR> <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.bcd0d42.2919ec99_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New England Church Positions From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:10:33 EST   i was in contact with him at one point. he runs some kind of placement service for church musicians but he never had a position i wanted to go after. almost all of the positions i have seen him advertise are way west = of here, more the Worcester area than the Boston area, and you are right, = they are low salaries and seemingly low expectations, and the churches and instruments are usually small and not very exciting.   why is it all these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions and = then still want you to give blood???   merry   In a message dated 11/6/2001 5:18:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:   << Hey Gang, I cruise the AGO site form time to time just to see what's open in the world of church music. I hope to someday be the DOM at a moderately sized parish with bells, a pipe instrument of note, and a few choirs, but we'll see what happens. At any rate, I've noticed this name "Dennis Deyo" coming up on the AGO site whenever an NE church is open. = The salaries always come in low, the position may have multiple choirs, but = it is said to be 1/4 time. I wonder how valid his leadership in a search = situation is. The fact is that, I spend about 4 to 5 hours a week planning, = prepping and preparing for my two choirs of 12, then another 4 hours on hymns and organ music. Factor this amount of time into actual rehearsals and = service, and you're at upwards of 15 hours per week, which can easily go up to 20 hours. The ago does NOT say that 8500 is the going rate for this size position. We are "called" in many cases to our posts and to the instrument, = but we also have to establish our art and our instrument, as well as being professionals! -Pete Isherwood >>  
(back) Subject: Re: New England Church Positions From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:17:14 EST     --part1_79.1dafaf95.291a01ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/6/01 10:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:     > why is it all these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions and = then > still want you to give blood??? > If the church is doing it, you can be drained in less than 1/4 time!! ;-)   Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_79.1dafaf95.291a01ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/6/01 10:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">why is it all = these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions and then <BR>still want you to give blood??? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">If the church is doing it, you can be drained in = less than 1/4 time!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_79.1dafaf95.291a01ba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New England Church Positions From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:58:21 EST     --part1_82.12ac1919.291a196d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       > why is it all these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions and = then > still want you to give blood??? > >   Generally, because those who offer these positions haven't a clue about = what they entail, and yet, profess to be all knowledgeable in church music.       --part1_82.12ac1919.291a196d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">why is it all = these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions and then <BR>still want you to give blood??? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Generally, because those who offer these positions haven't a clue = about what they entail, and yet, profess to be all knowledgeable in church = music. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_82.12ac1919.291a196d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New England Church Positions From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:31:08 -0600   <why it is that all these churches put 1/4 time on their job descriptions>   > Generally, because those who offer these positions haven't a clue about = what they entail, and yet, profess to be all knowledgeable in > church music.   In the same way they all know everything about organbuilding but are amazed at the fact that Reservoir tops actually MOVE when the organ is used!!   The Clueless leading the Acluistic. . .   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Orchestration for Dummies From: "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:53:16 -0800 (PST)   Greetings.   I will soon be acquiring an Ahlborn Archive organ MIDI module for my MIDI setup, so that I can sequence and compose for organ. (I am also retrofitting a generously donated Schoenstein console for MIDI, but that is a long-term project)...   I would like to start messing around with compositions for organ and orchestra (or organ vs. orchestra if you prefer), just on my MIDI setup at first, and maybe transcribe it for real if the results turn out well (less than likely...) BUT...   The only non-keyboard instrument I've ever played is the violin. I don't want to write something that can't be played on "real" instruments, so I need to learn the general features and limitations of all the orchestral instruments. I'm looking for a book that basically covers things like the range of pitches for each instrument, basics involved in phrasing, common notation symbols and quirks, how long your average orchestral flautist can hold a note without turning blue, etc. Information about choral singing would be great, too (what are the accepted ranges for tenor, soprano, etc.)   Does such a book exist? Can a hobbyist truly expect to shortcut years of experience and education in orchestration, composition, and arranging?   If the results are atrocious, I promise not to publish. :-)   Thanks and best wishes,   Bob Richardson Corvallis, OR   bob@peak.org          
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2487 - 11/06/01 - Temperament From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 03:20:40 EST     --part1_6f.1d430f28.291a48d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 07/11/01 01:50:27 GMT Standard Time, = <RonSeverin@aol.com> writes:   > It's a myth and a stretch of words to say Bach championed equal = temperament. > Let's just say it was his dream to play in all keys. Kellner who is = still > alive in Germany, discovered a form of Bach's many temperament tries, = and > all keys are possible. If Bach wanted equal, he would have had it = straight > away. Why fool around with well temper, if he could have had equal.   I realise I know nothing of temperaments compared to the learned folk presently debating this topic, but I had ignorantly assumed the term "well =   tempered" was an equivalent one to "equal tempered". The Well Tempered Clavier being created to demonstrate the merit of a tuning that worked equally in all keys. To work as well in all keys means using an equal temperament with the same geometric factor between all semitones.   Equal temperament means each semitone increases in frequency by (about!) 1.0594632 times. Can one of the experts give a similar definition of = "well" temperament. e.g. first semitone is a factor or x, second is y, third is z =   etc.   Thanks Peter   Peter M Harrison Emmanuel Church, Holcombe Ramsbottom, Lancashire & P H Music tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 web www.phmusic.co.uk   --part1_6f.1d430f28.291a48d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 07/11/01 01:50:27 GMT Standard Time, = &lt;RonSeverin@aol.com&gt;<BR> writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It's a myth and a = stretch of words to say Bach championed equal temperament. Let's just say = it was his dream to play in all keys. Kellner who is still alive in = Germany, discovered a form of Bach's many temperament tries, and all keys = are possible. If Bach wanted equal, he would have had it straight away. = Why fool around with well temper, if he could have had equal. = </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I realise I know nothing of temperaments compared to the learned folk = presently debating this topic, but I had ignorantly assumed the term "well = tempered" was an equivalent one to "equal tempered". The Well Tempered = Clavier being created to demonstrate the merit of a tuning that worked = equally in all keys. To work as well in all keys means using an equal = temperament with the same geometric factor between all semitones.<BR> <BR> Equal temperament means each semitone increases in frequency by (about!) = 1.0594632 times. Can one of the experts give a similar definition of = "well" temperament. e.g. first semitone is a factor or x, second is y, = third is z etc.<BR> <BR> Thanks<BR> Peter<BR> <BR> Peter M Harrison<BR> Emmanuel Church, Holcombe<BR> Ramsbottom, Lancashire<BR> &amp; P H Music<BR> tel: +44 (0)1204 853310<BR> fax: +44 (0)1204 853445<BR> web www.phmusic.co.uk</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.1d430f28.291a48d8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2487 - 11/06/01 - Temperament From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 03:30:48 EST   On reflection, my expression of the frequency multipliers for equal temperament (about 1.0594632) is of course more elegantly expressed as = each semitone interval providing a note with a frequency of 2 to the power = 1/12th times that of the previous one.   I hope someone can let me know how the formula for "well temperament" differs.   Thanks   Peter M Harrison Emmanuel Church, Holcombe Ramsbottom, Lancashire & P H Music tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 web www.phmusic.co.uk  
(back) Subject: Re: Orchestration for Dummies From: <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:45:04 +0100   Orchestration by Walter Piston was a standard book when I was at = university a few years ago... I imagine that this book is available in the = USA. It contains all the things you need to get going!   Steve Canterbury UK     > > From: Bob Richardson <bob@peak.org> > Date: Wed 07/Nov/2001 06:53 CET > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Orchestration for Dummies > > Greetings. > > I will soon be acquiring an Ahlborn Archive organ MIDI module for my = MIDI > setup, so that I can sequence and compose for organ. (I am also > retrofitting a generously donated Schoenstein console for MIDI, but that > is a long-term project)... > > I would like to start messing around with compositions for organ and > orchestra (or organ vs. orchestra if you prefer), just on my MIDI setup = at > first, and maybe transcribe it for real if the results turn out well = (less > than likely...) BUT... > > The only non-keyboard instrument I've ever played is the violin. I = don't > want to write something that can't be played on "real" instruments, so I > need to learn the general features and limitations of all the orchestral > instruments. I'm looking for a book that basically covers things like = the > range of pitches for each instrument, basics involved in phrasing, = common > notation symbols and quirks, how long your average orchestral flautist = can > hold a note without turning blue, etc. Information about choral singing > would be great, too (what are the accepted ranges for tenor, soprano, > etc.) > > Does such a book exist? Can a hobbyist truly expect to shortcut years = of > experience and education in orchestration, composition, and arranging? > > If the results are atrocious, I promise not to publish. :-) > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Bob Richardson > Corvallis, OR > > bob@peak.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >     _______________________________________________________________________ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, = only =A312.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime