PipeChat Digest #2495 - Saturday, November 10, 2001
 
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Nightmares
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
IRC TONIGHT
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Announcing Dr. Jonathan B. Hall
  by "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Announcing Dr. Jonathan B. Hall
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: IRC chat tonight
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: IRC chat tonight
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
RE: Temperaments
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Crazy things organ tuners find!
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:46:40 EST     --part1_bd.16c9d265.291dc4e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > So anyway, my point...does anyone have any advice on, fulltime church, > part time church, fulltime ed., or just be a crazy organ builder?   Peter, knowing you personally, but my basic belief generally: Get your education behind you. You're young and you have your whole life ahead of = you to devote to your work (God willing of course).   A part-time church job with full-time education, if you can afford it, is = a very good option. That's my opinion and it may be somewhat archaic.   What I wish, is that there were more students willing to be organ = scholars, apprentices, music assistants, working under experienced musicians, = learning the ropes, seeing what church work is REALLY like.   Further, I wish my church were closer to music schools, so I could entice gifted students to work with me.   Cheers. Neil Brown       --part1_bd.16c9d265.291dc4e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So anyway, my = point...does anyone have any advice on, fulltime church, <BR>part time church, fulltime ed., or just be a crazy organ builder? = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Peter, knowing you personally, but my basic belief generally: = &nbsp;Get your education behind you. &nbsp;You're young and you have your = whole life ahead of you to devote to your work (God willing of course). <BR> <BR>A part-time church job with full-time education, if you can afford it, = is a very good option. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's my opinion and it may be = somewhat archaic. <BR> <BR>What I wish, is that there were more students willing to be organ = scholars, apprentices, music assistants, working under experienced = musicians, learning the ropes, seeing what church work is REALLY like. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Further, I wish my church were closer to music schools, so I could = entice gifted students to work with me. <BR> <BR>Cheers. <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_bd.16c9d265.291dc4e0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Nightmares From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:08:04 -0500       On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:19:50 -0500 "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> writes: > > Does anyone else have a professional bad dream they would like to > share? > How about this one:   You have a recital on Friday night - Saturday you go a few miles away and do "demos" on several organs that you have never seen before !   Sunday finds you on a plane very early to get to the Sunday afternoon recital ( that "somehow" got moved up an hour, to boot!)   Did I mention that you are sicker than a dog.....?   You cough and hack your way through the program and near the end - four measures from the end of the Widor Toccata the whole organ suddenly "stops" ! Nothing - nada........   Oh, I'm sorry -.....you said a dream ! This actually happened - just ask Felix Hell!   BTW: despite all of this he played brilliantly !!!!!         Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:31:38 EST     --part1_22.1e8ea54a.291dcf6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OH I have my fun, I'm not going to turn into a plump organist any time = soon. i run in the morning, hit the gym on available evenings, head out for a couple beers when time allows, and my friends and I do some wild stuff as well! Have no fear, I'm still crazy!   -pete   --part1_22.1e8ea54a.291dcf6a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>OH I have my fun, I'm = not going to turn into a plump organist any time soon. i run in the = morning, hit the gym on available evenings, head out for a couple beers = when time allows, and my friends and I do some wild stuff as well! Have no = fear, I'm still crazy! <BR> <BR>-pete</FONT></HTML>   --part1_22.1e8ea54a.291dcf6a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: IRC TONIGHT From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:50:37 -0800   9 p.m. Right Coast Time.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Dr. Jonathan B. Hall From: "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:55:33 -0500   Hello List,   Through one of the many battles that have transpired on pipe chat, I have been able to forge a friendship with Dr. Hall. I have found him to be a truly affable and honest person, fully capable of accepting and loving those he interfaces with. He is most sapient, and possess a first-rate intellect. So, I join the pipe chat choir, and laud the achievements of Dr. Jonathan B. Hall!   Congrats Jon!!   Sincerely, Allan Carl Jackson III    
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:12:29 EST     --part1_6e.12c455e4.291de70d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/9/01 6:53:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > What I wish, is that there were more students willing to be organ = scholars, > apprentices, music assistants, working under experienced musicians, > learning the ropes, seeing what church work is REALLY like. >   Right! .... and you think there's an organist shortage NOW!!!!! If = they find out what they're getting in to before they get the training.... = forget it!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_6e.12c455e4.291de70d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/9/01 6:53:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What I wish, is = that there were more students willing to be organ scholars, apprentices, = music assistants, working under experienced musicians, learning the ropes, = seeing what church work is REALLY like. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Right! &nbsp;&nbsp;.... and you think there's an organist shortage = NOW!!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If they find out what they're getting in to = before they get the training.... forget it!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6e.12c455e4.291de70d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:18:04 EST     --part1_110.822ae6d.291de85c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/9/01 7:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:     > OH I have my fun, I'm not going to turn into a plump organist any time = soon. >   Uh oh! Look out Darryl by the Sea. You have competition for the = "cutest organist" title!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_110.822ae6d.291de85c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/9/01 7:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oboe32@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">OH I have my fun, = I'm not going to turn into a plump organist any time soon. i run in the = morning, hit the gym on available evenings</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Uh oh! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Look out Darryl by the Sea. &nbsp;&nbsp;You = have competition for the "cutest organist" title!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_110.822ae6d.291de85c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Dr. Jonathan B. Hall From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:19:18 EST     --part1_8.1c377268.291de8a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/9/01 7:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, alpat5@bellatlantic.net writes:     > Through one of the many battles that have transpired on pipe > chat, I have been able to forge a friendship with Dr. Hall. I have found > him to be a truly affable and honest person, fully capable of accepting > and loving those he interfaces with.   Oh goody! Does that mean we can just call him Jon???   (congratz, by the way!! ;-) ...) Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_8.1c377268.291de8a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/9/01 7:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, alpat5@bellatlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Through one of the = many battles that have transpired on pipe <BR>chat, I have been able to forge a friendship with Dr. Hall. I have = found <BR>him to be a truly affable and honest person, fully capable of = accepting <BR>and loving those he interfaces with. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Oh goody! &nbsp;&nbsp;Does that mean we can just call him Jon??? <BR> <BR>(congratz, by the way!! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;...) <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8.1c377268.291de8a6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC chat tonight From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:48:11 EST   I guess I need someone to walk me through this to get to the chat. So far = my attempts have been unsuccessful. I would like to attend, as I find the = posts on pipe chat most informative, and I am sure the chat would be, too -- if = I could get there from here. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC chat tonight From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:21:50 -0500   At 09:48 PM 09/11/2001 -0500, Lee wrote: >I guess I need someone to walk me through this to get to the chat. I made up a step-by-step for dummies guide some time ago, including instructions and screen shots of each step of the way. You can find it at:   http://www.pipechat.org/mirc.html   It assumes you've been to www.mirc.com , downloaded a copy of = mIRC (you want version 5.91, 32 bit), and installed it. Installation's like falling off a log....doubleclick the file you downloaded, and let it do what it wants.   You shouldn't have any problem if you follow the instructions = step by step, but if you run into trouble I'll be happy to walk you through.   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:28:31 EST   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:       > "Christians" ??!! ... my > grandmother's plowing mule was a better > Christian; so's my collie.   Most dogs are. :-)  
(back) Subject: RE: Temperaments From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:27:00 -0500   A good piano tuner of my acquaintance showed me the tuning program he uses on his Powerbook. Not only does it have dozens of temperaments, it comes loaded with octave stretchings for several hundred makes and models of pianos. It seems that piano people do think that there is a calculable of octave stretching for each piano out there.   Paul Opel   Paul Emmons writes: >Needless to say, this stretching of octaves constitutes a modification of >mathematically exact equal temperament that is slight but complex, and >significant enough to invalidate dependence on a machine designed to = enforce >a simplistic numeric formula. I suspect that it is not even the only = such >modification. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:47:49 -0800 (PST)   Dear Bud:   A good friend of mine, Roy Perry (now deceased), once said after having been Organist-Choirmaster at First Presbyterian Church in Kilgore, Texas for forty years - "The religion business would be a damned good business to be in if it weren't for these goddamed "Christians"."   D. Keith Morgan     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > If I were able to do ANYTHING else at this point in > my life (after 50 years of > being a church musician, both full and part time), I > would DO it. > > I am so battered and bruised from the experience > that if I weren't a full-time > working organist, I'd probably NEVER set foot in a > church again FOR ANY REASON. > And I was a DEVOUT anglo-catholic for MOST of my > adult life. > > NEVER trust a church. They'll put the screws to you > EVERY DAMN TIME, sooner or > later. "Christians" ??!! ... my grandmother's > plowing mule was a better > Christian; so's my collie. > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > "Storandt, Peter" wrote: > > > The good thing about a full-time position in > education is that your hours at > > the workplace (not counting preparation, etc.) > give you somewhat more > > flexibility than some other full-time jobs. And, > usually, you have summer > > periods and other breaks to devote to one or more > of your other lives. Now, > > if you could manage to locate somewhere where you > could teach, play, direct, > > study, apprentice with a builder, and surf..... > > > > So anyway, my point...does anyone have any > advice on, fulltime church, > > part time church, fulltime ed., or just be a crazy > organ builder? > > > > -Pete > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Crazy things organ tuners find! From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:06:40 -0800 (PST)   Dear Ron:   Good to hear from you.   Some day, I'm going to follow the suggestion made by a number of friends, and write a book of the experiences I've had in organ maintenance.   Nothing surprises me any more.   D. Keith Morgan     --- RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > Dear Keith > > That's almost as bad as the church sexton screwing > the top > of the reservoir down because it moved. > > Regards, Ron Severin > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > -------------------- > Dear Mr. Speller: > > I have been to several churches to correct the > organs > for being very much out-of-tune. Someone there had > discovered that the reservoir tops were nice places > to > put boxes of old hymnals, and also on top of > tremulants. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > ------------------- > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:16:41 -0800 (PST)   I don't think this is at all funny. I have to say I agree with Bud. It is = very hard to be a musician and a, well, a person of God. Unfortunately for most of us this = means an extra dose of sensivity. I think most people are rather insensitive much of the time, = and we get hurt. I've asked myself so many times why do I go back for more, and the answer is I = just do, and somehow there are moments that make it worth it. But I have seen too many people = behave badly in the name of God and the church. Of course being a *person,* I am sure I have made = the same mistake. I just hope I learn NOT to repeat it!   Randy --- Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: > quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > > "Christians" ??!! ... my > > grandmother's plowing mule was a better > > Christian; so's my collie. > > Most dogs are. :-) >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry, Director of Music & Organist Mona Dena, Principal Choir Director The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:42:53 EST   Dear Pete:   As the owner of a pipe organ building and restoration firm, I get to know many full-time church and synagogue musicians, some of whom have been at = the same post for over three decades. Some of them make exceptional salaries, =   with good benefits.   What all of these people have in common is a solid education; all but one = of them have at least one doctorate. This and other chat lists have been through grinding discussions about whether or not degrees are important. Most of the world, and most of the people who are in a position to hire, = look for a solid educational background behind potential employees. A degree = in ANY field gives you an advantage in life. We may not feel that a degree = is a valid criterion for musicianship, but a potential employer may.   A full-time church position means being at church full time, with a relatively few number of people, in a microcommunity in which many people have various agendae. Politics in the church community are no more benevolent than in the corporate office; they just don't use as many = naughty words. Your style of personal interaction may be satisifed with this = small group of people, plus the weekend crowd of parishioners.   Certainly, an academic community provides a constant supply of new and interesting people entering, and moving on from, the student and faculty = body.   As far as "just being a crazy organbuilder" is concerned, if that choice seems like a last resort to you, don't do it. If you've wanted to be a fulltime organbuilder since an early age (6 or 7), have geared your education, both formal and vocational, toward it, and are completely passionate about it, that's a different story. Organbuilding is not a fallback position.   Too many people have entered the field of organbuilding thinking that it would be a fun sideline, a hobby, or an easy way to make money. They've = done their own plumbing, can fix model trains, and have read the Barnes book, ready to hang out their shingle. Such people frequently leave in their = wake a path of destruction that opens the door for an electronic substitute. = They are usually the first to badmouth their successful "colleagues."   Good luck with your studies, and good luck with your church work. Circumstances will tell you whether or not you're in the right situation. =   Staying in a bad situation just because you are familiar with the cast of characters and know how to deal with the angst and turmoil is a bad idea. =   But there is plenty of evidence that a church musician or organ-related academic can have a long and rewarding career.   In conclusion, Karl Moyer is correct about leading a balanced life, particularly in the realm of physical fitness. The organ is a physically demanding instrument, yet seems to lead to a sedentary nature in some of = its players. Staying in shape both physically and socially WILL prevent you = from "going crazy."   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City