PipeChat Digest #2496 - Sunday, November 11, 2001
 
Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site...
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Dreaming??
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site...
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
FW: an article you'll appreciate
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site...
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Toestud positions?
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Dr. Jon here
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonahall@indiana.edu>
Re: Toestud positions? - more info helpful
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: FW: an article you'll appreciate
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site...
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:00:11 -0600   Emmons, Paul wrote:   > >In Oklahoma City there is a string of houses with the swastica emblem = on > the > >chimneys. They were built before WWII. > > As I recall, swastikas appear among many other symbols in S. Paul's > Cathedral, Peoria, Ill. This is a modern building in the architectural > style of an airplane hangar-- a simple rectangle-- but the interior > arrangement, windows, furniture, and decor make it rather elegant and = very > interesting, well worth visiting if you ever find yourself in central > Illinois. The building is obviously post-WWII, but the swastika is an > ancient symbol of peace, and perhaps the architect felt that anything = like > that is too noble and valuable to allow a warmonger to corrupt and spoil = it > into disuetude.   This cathedral was the work of architect Frederick Dunn of St. Louis and = dates from the early 1960's. Dunn was also responsible for building a number of churches in St. Louis and one in New York, including my own church, St. = Mark's, St. Louis, which is earlier, dating from 1938. He was very interested in making the building relevant to the concerns of the time, and though we = don't actually have any swasticas we do have some ant-Nazi themes in the stained glass windows. Our church has a 1938 Aeolian-Skinner and the cathedral in Peoria has an Ernest White Moller. Our church is one of only four = buildings in St. Louis that have received the American Institute of Architects 25 Year Award. Another of the four is a secular building by Dunn at the Missouri Botanical Garden. He was a very fine architect.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Fulltime Churches/organists in general From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:38:21 -0800   On my experience with churches in Australia I could never agree with you Bud. Bob E.   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > I am so battered and bruised from the experience that if I weren't a = full-time working organist, I'd probably NEVER set foot in a church again = FOR ANY REASON. > NEVER trust a church. They'll put the screws to you EVERY DAMN TIME, = sooner or later. "Christians" ??!! ...> > Bud-by-the-Beach > > " >    
(back) Subject: Dreaming?? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:32:56 -0800   There were a couple of stories about dreams (nightmares) of organ playing recently. Mine was a nightmare which actually happened. I had put in a solid state coupling system into our DE/EP organ replacing the old K and A stop switches. It worked fine except that it was possible to trigger an all note cipher on the organ by turning the tremulant on or off. In the middle a special service I took a risk and hit the. No problem until I turned it off and this cipher went off. Every note on all stops on the organ sounding and no way of stopping it except by turning off the organ. A most impressive sound - full organ ciphering on every note including the pedal organ. Every pipe on the organ blowing away. Of course it quickly ran out of wind but the noise till it did was shattering. I got going with a borrowed oscilloscope the next day and found that when the trem was turned on it actuated a lever magnet and apparently a spike was occasionally, but not always, generated which somehow eluded the diode bypasses in the system. It rarely happened and so I hadn't worried too much doing anything about it until I worked out what was causing it and how to fix it. A diode across the trem. magnet coil fixed the problem. Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site... From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:15:08 -0600   > John Speller: > Our church has a 1938 Aeolian-Skinner and the cathedral in > Peoria has an Ernest White Moller.   Which Cathedral in Peoria? Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com    
(back) Subject: FW: an article you'll appreciate From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:03:15 -0500   In light of our recent discussion of interpretation purposes as related to present-day organists, an article about Joshua Bell, sent to me by a = friend, includes ideas amazingly consistent with what I shared some days ago. I think that the following excerpt, out of total context, can stand by = itself:   > >from Slate Magazine 11/1/01-"Classical Music's Most Overrated = Glamour-puss"   > > > >But it's exactly this flair for the dramatic that renders Bell a joke = in > >the realm of serious music. Good composers know how to create drama. > >They write melodies and chords and timbres and rhythms that express = what > >it is that they intend to say. Performers, for all their gifts, are > >therefore not required to re-compose works with dramatic tricks. They > >are there to serve the music: to express it the way the composer > >intended, and then to add their take on it in a respectful manner. > > > >This is the problem with Bell's interpretation of Bernstein's beloved > >"Serenade." Even today, the "Serenade" brims with the most adorable > >facets of Leonard Bernstein's personality: his warmth, humor, empathy, > >and wonderfully conflated attitudes about the meaning of his love and > >his art. But Bell sleazes these qualities up, making himself the > >centerpiece in a work that is, at its core, an autobiography of one of > >music's most cherished souls. Perhaps this is the reason that the CD > >booklet only features glam portraits of the violinist (did somebody say > >Zoolander?) and none of Lenny.   It's an age-old question, of course. Nor is it an either/or question = so much as a "how much" question of the performer's own self added to the composer's work. Note that line: "add their take on it in a respectful manner." But when a composer marks any tempo changes carefully in his = music and then the performer's "personal interpretation" begins to change tempi drastically and willy-nilly over and beyond the composer's careful indications, it seems to me that we've now gone beyond this article = author's words "add their take on it in a respectful manner." It's so often such disrespectful additions that some performers make to "thrill" their audiences, even if at the expense of the composer's intentions.   Obvious even in the excerpt quoted here: Joshua Bell really takes it = on the chin from this writer for slick performance practices that ultimately mishandle and "cheapen" Bernstein's music.   Joshua Bell is, of course, a well-known concert and recording = violinist, once the pride and joy of his teacher Joseph Gingold at Indiana U.   May it be of slight comfort for us to know that it's not just = organists who struggle with these questions.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:07:52 -0600   Brent Johnson wrote:   > > John Speller: > > Our church has a 1938 Aeolian-Skinner and the cathedral in > > Peoria has an Ernest White Moller. > > Which Cathedral in Peoria?   St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral in Peoria.   John.    
(back) Subject: Toestud positions? From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:46:10 -0500   As part of the solid-state upgrade on our 1951 Reuter church organ, I am about to install new combination action toestuds. The AGO Education = site does not comment upon the preferred position and spacing for them. Can = any of you organbuilders give us the preferred dimensional locations and spacing, above the pedal clavier? Thanks! in advance - Ed    
(back) Subject: Dr. Jon here From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonahall@indiana.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:38:44 -0500 (EST)     Hi, all!   Thanks for the kind expressions, both public and private! It is VERY nice to be done!   Except...of course...there is the small matter of preparing the dissertation for printing...I am sitting in the Music Library in Bloomington nitpicking footnotes and wrestling with graphic files, that don't want to flow along with the text, don't you know....and lo and behold, I just found another recital program of Calvin's, one that really deserves to be listed....and so it goes! But the paper is accepted, the defense is passed, the acceptance pages are all signed and ready to bind, and the academic journey is really officially concluded...Wheeeee!   I am expecting to drop the whole thing off at the printer early next week. THEN I will really feel done. Graduation is December 15.   Again, thanks to everyone who has written. It feels good!     Best,   Jon        
(back) Subject: Re: Toestud positions? - more info helpful From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:36:47 EST     --part1_167.3b1f34f.291f302f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/10/2001 3:47:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, steltzer@gwi.net writes:     > Can any > of you organbuilders give us the preferred dimensional locations and > spacing, above the pedal clavier? Thanks! in advance - Ed >   How many toestuds are you installing, and how many are already there...on which side(s) of the opening for the Swell and Creschendo pedals, and = above the front rail of the pedalboard or ON the front rail of the pedalboard, = how many rows of studs on each side of the expressions peds opening, and what functions, generals, divisionals, reversibles?   more info will get you better answers.   Rick in VA   --part1_167.3b1f34f.291f302f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/10/2001 3:47:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, steltzer@gwi.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can any <BR>of you organbuilders give us the preferred dimensional locations and <BR>spacing, above the pedal clavier? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks! &nbsp;&nbsp;in = advance &nbsp;- Ed <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>How many toestuds are you installing, and how many are already = there...on which side(s) of the opening for the Swell and Creschendo = pedals, and above the front rail of the pedalboard or ON the front rail of = the pedalboard, how many rows of studs on each side of the expressions = peds opening, and what functions, generals, divisionals, reversibles? <BR> <BR>more info will get you better answers. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_167.3b1f34f.291f302f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: FW: an article you'll appreciate From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:39:59 EST     --part1_26.1e1c2f92.291f30ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I personally think it is the "stuff" of music making to wrestle with "how much", "how often," "should I or shouldn't I."   I'm not sure a composer would necessarily object to a performer's interpretation as long as the performer can justify his/her = interpretation.   When I'm playing Bach, for example, I always feel as if Father Johann is standing above me looking over my shoulder, probably frowning a lot more = than smiling. I can only hope that he is sometimes pleased.   I am convinced that that "cloud of witnesses" talked about in the New Testament includes many of those composers, urging us onward.   Neil Brown       --part1_26.1e1c2f92.291f30ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I personally think it is the "stuff" of music making to wrestle = with "how much", "how often," "should I or shouldn't I." <BR> <BR>I'm not sure a composer would necessarily object to a performer's = interpretation as long as the performer can justify his/her = interpretation. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>When I'm playing Bach, for example, I always feel as if Father Johann = is standing above me looking over my shoulder, probably frowning a lot = more than smiling. &nbsp;I can only hope that he is sometimes pleased. <BR> <BR>I am convinced that that "cloud of witnesses" talked about in the New = Testament includes many of those composers, urging us onward. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.1e1c2f92.291f30ef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Ebay, still the world's best humor site... From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:43:02 -0600   > Brent Johnson wrote: > > Which Cathedral in Peoria? > > St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral in Peoria. > > John. >   Thank you. It helps to be specific in these areas. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com