PipeChat Digest #2506 - Sunday, November 18, 2001
 
RE: know it alls..
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re:   Fisk Opus 119, First Presbyterian Church.. Gainesville FL
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Working with People who know it all number 2
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Re: Working with People who know it all...
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Proper 28C, St. Aggie's
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Working with People who know it all...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: know it alls..
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Gainesville Fisky!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Hello again...
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Open Console experience
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Working with People who know it all...
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Working with People who know it all...
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: know it alls.. From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:41:47 -0500   Pete, I've been around the block too and I can only say this.   Bruce is probably right on the money!   God gives us two ears and one mouth... I wonder why? Hopefully we will = use them in that proportion and learn something as we go through life.   I have had choir members voice their 2 cents many times. Some of these = people were extremely old, or extremely young, but much of what they said, = I internalized and gave serious consideration and I realized that I had = much to learn. Over time, this made me a better choir director than = organist. At least I loved it more because I had developed a crack choir = that could stand up to many choirs with recorded labels.   How did this happen, because I take everything seriously. Chances are, as far as hymn playing goes, you probably should take heed to = what people tell you. In my opinion most people don't play hymns well at = all. The criticisms are from personal observation during my visits to = other churches. People tend to play too darned fast and do not phrase the = music. My wife and I have been left breathless trying to sing hymns and = liturgy from some prominent organists in this area. This totally outrages = us because the music is flying along as breakneck speed without regard to = the text, or one's ability to even sing it!   OK, that's my two cents.   If you want to gauge yourself, buy some recordings of choir and organ, = like St Marks in Seattle and listen to the way that is dealt with, and = then record some of your services....   You may tell yourself, OH, that's a big worship space, they have to play = it slow.... Bull Crap! Most of those tempos are perfect for singing... period! What = this does is it gives the music dignity life to the text. The room also = fills with sound because the music is sustained longer!     You may not like what you hear, I don't know. But the biggest problem = with all of this is personal perception, we think it sounds great, but = record it one time and you may have a different opinion... I sure did!.   Who knows, maybe you don't have any problems at all and the kid was on = drugs, but I'm just commenting on my personal experiences and what I = learned when I was in my 20's!   Ok, he who has ears, let him hear!   Wayne      
(back) Subject: Re: Fisk Opus 119, First Presbyterian Church.. Gainesville FL From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:55:19 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C16FFD.FC26E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Thanks for the site, Bruce - how exciting!   Glenda Sutton   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C16FFD.FC26E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for the site, Bruce - how=3D20 exciting!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda =3D Sutton</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C16FFD.FC26E120--    
(back) Subject: Re: Working with People who know it all number 2 From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:52:43 +1030   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3088993964_114416_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   During my organ student days at Adelaide University in South Australia I = was fortunate in enjoying the privilege of not only playing and practising and giving recitals on a satisfying 3-manual Casavant pipe organ, but I was = also allowed the privilege of using two AKG microphones installed in the hall, and the use of digital recording equipment in the sound booth. Yep! said = use was all included in the fees I was charged. Not only did I hear my = mistakes, but I was able to listen to my registrations on my recordings as they = would have been from an audience/teacher listening position in the hall. Having left the privileges of said univ. I purchased a good stereo mike and = digital recording equipment, so I can still hear my playing and registrations on = my recordings, with the best mike position possible, when I go on a private organ crawl. Ian. <Bud says <(snip) <"Have you gone out into the church and listened while someone else <played, using your combinations?"   < So many organists never get to hear their own organs. <Josh       --MS_Mac_OE_3088993964_114416_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Working with People who know it all number 2</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> During my organ student days at Adelaide University in South Australia I = wa=3D s fortunate in enjoying the privilege of not only playing and practising = and=3D giving recitals on a satisfying 3-manual Casavant pipe organ, but I was = als=3D o allowed the privilege of using two AKG microphones installed in the = hall, =3D and the use of digital recording equipment in the sound booth. Yep! said = use=3D was all included in the fees I was charged. Not only did I hear my = mistakes=3D , but I was able to listen to my registrations on my recordings as they = woul=3D d have been from an audience/teacher listening position in the hall. = Having =3D left the privileges of said univ. I purchased a good stereo mike and = digital=3D recording equipment, so I can still hear my playing and registrations on = my=3D recordings, with the best mike position possible, when I go on a private = or=3D gan crawl.<BR> Ian.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>&lt;<FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">Bud says<BR> &lt;(snip)<BR> &lt;<I>&quot;Have you gone out into the church and listened while someone = e=3D lse<BR> &lt;played, using your combinations?&quot;<BR> </I><BR> &lt; So many organists never get to hear their own organs.<BR> &lt;Josh</FONT> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3088993964_114416_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Working with People who know it all... From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:32:06 -0800 (PST)   Whenever someone comes up and lectures me and proceeds to give me an organ lesson, I just slide off the bench, invite them so sit down and show me how to do it correctly. That usually ends the conversation right there, and I don't hear anything else about it.   D. Keith Morgan --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Bruce is right ... write it down in your Kalendars, > folks (grin). > > There may be some other factors at work here: I once > played in a church > where a member of the Board had MS ... he was > confined to a wheelchair. > Even though he was parked close to a bank of FLUTE > speakers, he > constantly complained that the organ was too loud. > Two things: from > where he was sitting, it WAS; and the MS also > affected his hearing, > particularly of high pitches. > > Have you gone out into the church and listened while > someone else > played, using your combinations? Our former chapel > was SO dead that I > eventually discovered to my HORROR that one of the > Leslies was set full > open ... I had no IDEA from the console. But it was > DEAFENING in the > other corner of the church. > > MOST people don't like loud organ music at ALL, for > good or for ill. YOU > may perceive that it's your job to LEAD the hymns, > but I'll bet MOST of > the congregation THINKS it's your job to ACCOMPANY > them. Now, how you > accomplish that with a mezzo registration and keep > them TOGETHER, I > don't know ... I can get away with it because I have > a very strong > CHOIR. > > I KNOW better than to "let fly" where we are now ... > we have an 8' > acoustical ceiling ... I'd deafen MYSELF and the > back quarter of the > church; the rest wouldn't notice anything. So I play > loud enough that I > can hear the choir over the organ, and pray that the > congregation stays > with us. > > SOMETIMES it's the QUALITY of the sound, rather than > the QUANTITY that > they're complaining about. Hearing aids don't LIKE > mixtures (grin). > > SOMETIMES it's just plain cussedness (grin). I have > this one old dude > who complains regularly and loudly about the organ. > Now, one Sunday the > organ wouldn't WORK, so I played the very modest > spinet piano that we > keep in the church for such emergencies. We're in > the back, BTW. > > You know where this is going, don't you? (grin) > > Sure enough, he came back and complained about the > organ being too loud. > > "But DON, the organ didn't WORK this morning; I > played the PIANO." > > "Well, THAT was too loud TOO." > > And he stalked off. > > Come to find out, he's about 75% deaf and can't hear > much of ANYTHING > (chuckle). > > I ALWAYS listen politely; if I CAN explain > something, I DO; if I can't > (like with Don), I just nod politely. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Proper 28C, St. Aggie's From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:40:55 -0600   St. Agatha's Episcopal Church DeFuniak Springs, Florida Proper 28, Year C   Prelude: Settings of O Gott, du frommer Gott (Our God to whom we turn, = text H 681), by Johannes Brahms and J. S. Bach Processional Hymn: God the Omnipotent! (Russia) - H 569 Sequence Hymn: Come, labor on (Ora labora) - H 541 Offertory Hymn: O very God, of very God (Bangor) - H 672 Music during Communion: Settings of: O God, our help in ages past (St. Anne; text H 680), by J. S. Bach and Gordon Young Closing Hymn: Lord Christ, when first thou (Mit freuden zart) - H 598 Postlude: My own jazz arrangement of "Misty"*   For it not to be a day of joyous bombast, it turned out to be a nice service. I ended up having to read the Old Testament lesson, which I do enjoy doing, because I think I'm the only one there that believes in the = Old Testament. That Malachi passage is fun to read in public!   Gotta go - Ken Karadin is giving a recital at Christ Church Pensacola this afternoon - the chapter is hosting a reception in his honor, after which = we have "choir" practice for the Advent Lessons and Carols. Later.   Glenda Sutton   * actually just the Prelude No. 15 in D flat major ("Raindrop") - Frederic Chopin (didn't know if you were paying attention)          
(back) Subject: Re: Working with People who know it all... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:38:12 EST     --part1_70.133c31c1.29296824_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/18/01 12:39:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > > <Bruce is right ... write it down in your Kalendars, folks (grin). >   Thank heaven that you still use the ONE YEAR and not the THREE YEAR = Kalendar! snrk snrk     > YOU may perceive that it's your job to LEAD the hymns, but I'll bet = MOST of > the congregation THINKS it's your job to ACCOMPANY them. Now, how you > accomplish that with a mezzo registration and keep them TOGETHER, I > don't know ... I can get away with it because I have a very strong > CHOIR.   As one who now enjoys the solace of the pews, I find it much easier to = sing and hear other people singing when the accompaniment is primarily = diapason, perhaps a light mixture (with the box shut partially!). Much as I love = the sound of full reeds, I find it very disappointing to sing with, and difficult to hear. What I really like is a nice, dramatic interlude on full organ and then closing the box on the reeds for the stanza, so that = the colour is there and not the volume or distraction. Diapason surround and =   support, almost as though it floats below head level. Mixture and reeds cover and distort the singing making me feel "alone."   > > I KNOW better than to "let fly" where we are now ... we have an 8' > acoustical ceiling ... > You might try adding a digital 16 ceiling for more gravity! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_70.133c31c1.29296824_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/18/01 12:39:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>&lt;Bruce is right ... write it down in your Kalendars, folks (grin). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Thank heaven that you still use the ONE YEAR and = not the THREE YEAR Kalendar! <BR>snrk snrk <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> YOU may perceive that it's your job to LEAD the hymns, but I'll bet = MOST of <BR>the congregation THINKS it's your job to ACCOMPANY them. Now, how you <BR>accomplish that with a mezzo registration and keep them TOGETHER, I <BR>don't know ... I can get away with it because I have a very strong <BR>CHOIR.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">As one who now enjoys the solace of the pews, I = find it much easier to sing and hear other people singing when the = accompaniment is primarily diapason, perhaps a light mixture (with the box = shut partially!). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Much as I love the sound of full = reeds, I find it very &nbsp;disappointing to sing with, and difficult to = hear. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What I really like is a nice, dramatic interlude = on full organ and then closing the box on the reeds for the stanza, so = that the colour is there and not the volume or distraction. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Diapason surround and support, almost as though it floats = below head level. &nbsp;&nbsp;Mixture and reeds cover and distort the = singing making me feel "alone." <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR>I KNOW better than to "let fly" where we are now ... we have an 8' <BR>acoustical ceiling ... <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>You might try adding a digital 16 ceiling for more gravity! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_70.133c31c1.29296824_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: know it alls.. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:23:46 EST     --part1_158.4397248.292972d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/18/01 6:48:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:     > You may not like what you hear, I don't know. But the biggest problem = with > all of this is personal perception, we think it sounds great, but record = it > one time and you may have a different opinion... I sure did!. >   A good point! One of the best learning tools I've ever had was a tape recorder. The Sunday services were recorded through the church PA = system. Sometimes I was shocked at how fast I played a hymn. Strangely, I never played one too slowly, even when I was sure I did. Phrasing and manual/registration changes are often quite different when heard than when =   played. In one parish, the Sunday service was recorded, the tape distributed and then discussed in staff meeting! It was quite helpful, especially when complaints were made about the length of various parts of = the service. The use of a stop watch ended many an argument!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_158.4397248.292972d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/18/01 6:48:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You may not like = what you hear, I don't know. &nbsp;But the biggest problem with all of = this is personal perception, we think it sounds great, but record it one = time and you may have a different opinion... I &nbsp;sure did!. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A good point! &nbsp;&nbsp;One of the best learning tools I've ever had = was a tape recorder. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Sunday services were recorded through = the church PA system. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes I was shocked at how fast I = played a hymn. &nbsp;Strangely, I never played one too slowly, even when I = was sure I did. &nbsp;Phrasing and manual/registration changes are often = quite different when heard than when played. &nbsp;&nbsp;In one parish, = the Sunday service was recorded, the tape distributed and then discussed = in staff meeting! &nbsp;&nbsp;It was quite helpful, especially when = complaints were made about the length of various parts of the service. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The use of a stop watch ended many an argument!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_158.4397248.292972d2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Gainesville Fisky! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:12:31 EST     --part1_16b.4211a5c.29298c4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Just wanted to let you know that more FiskFotos have been added to my webpage. Go to Pet Hoomin, and then Pipe Organs, and THEN Pipe Organs of = Gainesville, then scroll down to First Presbyterian. Also, a picture of dubious = quality has been added showing the lovely chapel organ by A. David Moore.   Of course, you're invited to do some sniffing and digging in HowlingAcres. = The new Hiliarous Holographs are my favorite addition.   Scritchies!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_16b.4211a5c.29298c4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just wanted to let you = know that more FiskFotos have been added to my webpage. &nbsp; <BR>Go to Pet Hoomin, and then Pipe Organs, and THEN Pipe Organs of = Gainesville, then scroll down to First Presbyterian. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, a picture of dubious quality has been added = showing the lovely chapel organ by A. David Moore. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Of course, you're invited to do some sniffing and digging in = HowlingAcres. &nbsp;&nbsp;The new Hiliarous Holographs are my favorite = addition. <BR> <BR>Scritchies!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16b.4211a5c.29298c4f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Hello again... From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:11:48 EST   Greetings Pipechatters, I have returned to the list after a long hiatus. (just needed a break from =   everything, that's all). BTW - my brother in law gave me that T-shirt (Those of you who THINK you = know it all, etc.) It was funny, but I got the message. Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Open Console experience From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:37:01 EST   Recently, our church choir (of which I am not a member, incidentally) held = a Silent Auction in which members offered their services to whomever bid the =   highest. Pursuant to my desire to plant the seed of interest in the younger generation, I offered as my services, an hour of Open Console to any youngster with minimal keyboard (read piano, not typing) from age 7 = through high school.   A young mother was the high bidder. Her daughter, 7 years old, had taken piano lessons only six months. The Open Console included a tour of the = pipe chambers, a brief lesson in proper touch on the keys (piano vs. organ, you =   see), the difference between a reed and a flue pipe (the reeds sound and operate like Bronx raspberries and the flues are the whistles) and the = young lady's playing the organ for nearly an hour.   Her mother, eight months pregnant, insisted in also climbing up the ten = foot high wall mounted ladder through the ceiling entry into the chambers after =   her daughter had scaled the heights. I then pointed out the various = placings of larger pipes (horizontally) and the smaller pipes around the chamber. I =   then went down stairs and played several chords (progressively louder) so they could hear what the organ sounded like up close and personal. The = mother later revealed that she had wanted to go inside a chamber since she was = her daughter's age.   The 7 year old played single notes, one hand at a time. i pointed out the Middle "C" location, set up two registrations, then let her play her song. =   She was in seventh heaven!! Next, she played two more songs in differing registrations. I then instructed her to move her hands from one manual to another one half way through the piece. She did, and was even more = awestruck that she could change the sounds of the song in the middle.   As a kind of break, she wanted to play every one of the keys on all three manuals and the pedalboard. She did, listening very intently to how the sounds went up in pitch on the manuals, and how the registrations changed from one manual to another.   As the Open Console neared its end, the mother suddenly remembered that = she had forgotten her camera. I responded, that she could bring the camera the =   next time they came to Open Console. The daughter, seated at the console = and hearing that, broke into a huge smile, and asked, "Can I really do this again?"   incidentally, twin five year old energetic boys were also there (Mom had = to care for them). I let each one press several keys while their mother and sister were still in the chambers. During their sister's "break" each one took a two minute turn at the console. They played the three black keys several time, and were satisfied that they too had played the organ! One = twin loved the 32' Bombarde sound, while the other twin preferred to listen to = the Echo organ. They even went up to the balcony to "find" the Echo organ. = What a delightful giggle we heard when they found it!!   Another mother, working in the church during this time, also requested an Open Console time for her young family.   I hope to schedule a regular Open Console time once a month for planting = more seeds of love for organ music in the youngsters' minds.     Musically, Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: Working with People who know it all... From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:41:57 EST     --part1_163.4165eee.2929af55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Peter, there will ALWAYS be folks who challenge your authority as music director. And, if you can learn NOT to take it personally, then you'll do =   well in this business.   Although, did you check your "sforz" button? Was it on the whole time? = 8-)   Peace. Neil-by-the-Bay       --part1_163.4165eee.2929af55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Peter, &nbsp;there will ALWAYS be folks who challenge your = authority as music director. &nbsp;And, if you can learn NOT to take it = personally, then you'll do well in this business. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Although, did you check your "sforz" button? &nbsp;Was it on the whole = time? 8-) <BR> <BR>Peace. <BR>Neil-by-the-Bay <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_163.4165eee.2929af55_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Working with People who know it all... From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:50:49 EST     --part1_da.f2d5c6e.2929b169_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Another thing that just came to me...   Be very careful about "too much improvising" on hymns. A little goes a = long way.   My church folks now are quite accustomed to my way of playing hymns, including interludes and such, but I still am very concerned about doing = just enough.   The late Dr. Weadon of Princeton Seminary said something I'll never forget =   and it got me to re-thinking improvising on hymns: "The hymn belongs to = the congregation."   And somewhere along the way I heard this wonderful phrase: "Give them inspiration, not indigestion."   Peace. Neil by the BAy   --part1_da.f2d5c6e.2929b169_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Another thing that just came to me... <BR> <BR>Be very careful about "too much improvising" on hymns. &nbsp;A little = goes a long way. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>My church folks now are quite accustomed to my way of playing hymns, = including interludes and such, but I still am very concerned about doing = just enough. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The late Dr. Weadon of Princeton Seminary said something I'll never = forget and it got me to re-thinking improvising on hymns: &nbsp;"The hymn = belongs to the congregation." <BR> <BR>And somewhere along the way I heard this wonderful phrase: &nbsp;"Give = them inspiration, not indigestion." <BR> <BR>Peace. <BR>Neil by the BAy</FONT></HTML>   --part1_da.f2d5c6e.2929b169_boundary--