PipeChat Digest #2515 - Saturday, November 24, 2001
 
A pipe organ on TV
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Conn organ nightmare
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: Jardine information
  by <mts@intergrafix.net>
Re: Conn organ nightmare
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Jardine
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Taunton Jardine
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re:  jardine
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation
  by <l2nn@juno.com>
 

(back) Subject: A pipe organ on TV From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:44:51 EST     --part1_9a.1d458ffd.293063a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OK folks! It's confession time!   I watch The Young and The Restless! This is listworthy because last = week there was a wedding in "All Saints Chapel" and the organ was a gorgeous = 19th Century instrument with bronze colored pipes with beautiful black and gold =   stencilling. The chapel is beautiful as well. Normally, I would think = it's a "set" but the inclusion of the pipe organ is a little over the top for = a set. Is there anyone in the LA area with connections to find out what = this chapel and organ are. I've tried writing to the network, but they don't read mail apparently.   Thanky.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_9a.1d458ffd.293063a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>OK folks! &nbsp;It's = confession time! <BR> <BR>I watch The Young and The Restless! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is = listworthy because last week there was a wedding in "All Saints Chapel" = and the organ was a gorgeous 19th Century instrument with bronze colored = pipes with beautiful black and gold stencilling. &nbsp;The chapel is = beautiful as well. &nbsp;&nbsp;Normally, I would think it's a "set" but = the inclusion of the pipe organ is a little &nbsp;over the top for a set. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Is there anyone in the LA area with connections to find = out what this chapel and organ are. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've tried writing to the = network, but they don't read mail apparently. <BR> <BR>Thanky. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9a.1d458ffd.293063a3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Conn organ nightmare From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:15:34   My piano teacher (when I was very young), also played the organ at a local =   Lutheran church. They had a Conn organ in the sanctuary. My teacher was in =   constant fear that someone would come in during the week and fiddle with = the organ, and leave the rhythm section turned on. She was very afraid that = she would end up playing the first hymn to a "Rhumba" or "Tango" beat.   David Carter     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Re: Jardine information From: <mts@intergrafix.net> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:34:33 -0500   On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:00:22 -0500 "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com> wrote: >Dear Chris, >Thanks for your interest in old organs. Jardines were >often especially >fine, tonally, and were almost always very well built. > >Where are these pipes, now! > >Bill Van Pelt >Organ Historical Society     Dear Mr. Van Pelt and Pipechatters,   Thanks for the replies, I am anticipating a visit to the OHS archives maybe next month. Really sounds like a great place to visit. As to where the pipes are now, I have them crated in storage. That is actually all I have, no chests, console, etc. I intend to make a nice house organ to use these gems. The pipe work is of very nice make, quality construction and nice sound on the voicing chest, particularly the diapasons, doppelflute, clarabella, and Salicionals. I have quite a few pictures, and can scan some stuff in if anyone's interested.   Thanks again, and Happy Holidays.   Chris Malocheski  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn organ nightmare From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:55:42 EST   In a message dated 11/23/01 10:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, david_n_carter@hotmail.com writes:       My piano teacher (when I was very young), also played the organ at a local =   Lutheran church. They had a Conn organ in the sanctuary. My teacher was in =   constant fear that someone would come in during the week and fiddle with = the organ, and leave the rhythm section turned on. She was very afraid that = she would end up playing the first hymn to a "Rhumba" or "Tango" beat.     Yup. Been there, done that! :-) Just smile pretty......   Vicki  
(back) Subject: Jardine From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:26:41 -0500   The Jardine organ I like the best is at St. Patrick RC, Watervliet NY, one of only two 3 manual trackers left in original condition. It is a 3 = manual George Jardine & Son 1890 with 35 ranks in an incredible acoustic. Longtime organist is Robert Waller, OHS member. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Taunton Jardine From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:26:42 -0500   This 1899 Jardine at St. Thomas Episcopal, Taunton MA was rebuilt by Roche Organ Co. Inc. in 1980, Opus 24. Minor changes were made at this time, including the installation of a IV Rank Mixture, and a 1-3/5' Seventeenth. =   The previously altered Swell III Rank Mixture was replaced with one closer to the original. A new Trombone stop was added. Consultant was Thomas Murray who did the re-dedication recital in October 1980. A Festival Trumpet was installed in 1983 at the rear of the church. I have the present stoplist, but do not have a scanner, so Bruce, if you really want it, I can mail it to you. As John Speller said, it was designed and voiced by Carlton C. Michell of England in the "English Romantic Style". It now has 37 stops, 42 ranks, 50 speaking registers, and 2,455 pipes, and it was the last major instrument to leave the Jardine factory, as the firm was dissolved in 1899. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: jardine From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:20:01 -0800 (PST)   Is there any consensus on where the finest unaltered examples of Jardine's work stand? I would add the additional caveat that any example should be in good working condition.   HD     There is a fine two manual Jardine of 30 or so ranks in excellent condition at St. Peter's RC Church in Haverstraw, NY. The organist for many years was Marjorie Wittenberg (I don't know if she's still there) who guarded it jealously and made sure it was very well maintained. When I played a wedding there many years ago she stood over me to make sure I didn't hurt it. At the end of the wedding, I pulled on pretty much full organ for the Mendelssohn and she looked shocked and said "are you really going to put all that on?" I smiled and pulled out one more stop and launched into the recessional. It is a great organ in good acoustics.   Ken Potter   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1  
(back) Subject: Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation From: <l2nn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:41:45 -0800   Do people think organmaster shoes are bad or low quality? If yes, then where else do I buy shoes? I have a pair of red shoes from Tic Tac Toes but organmastershoes.com tells me these are just dance shoes.   I love the 1st and last Magnificat pieces and Antiphon III from a book of 15 pieces by Dupre. Can anyone recommend other works by Dupre that I might tackle next?   I love Messiaen's early works but I get completely lost aurally in his middle and later works. I hear Debussy in his early work but what I really like are Messiaen's own harmonies which are uniquely his in his early work. I have been so intrigued by the development of organ music through the centuries after having been brought up as a pianist until just 2 years ago. I hear a lot more experimentation in organ music than in piano music. Since organ sound can be more diffuse what with acoustics and the nature of the instrument itself, increasing dissonance is softer, less harsh on organ than on piano. And with the history of improvisation and having to play for the same offertory every week, I can see/hear how organists were much more experimental than pianists. So with these theories in mind, I struggle still to aurally understand Messiaen. I am very open to his deep religiousity but I can not hear it in his middle and late works. I heard a whole concert of later works performed by Jon Gillock and I was not touched at all. My ear has been stretched with my music training and exposure since I was 7 yrs old. I really want to understand Messiaen but I don't know how to grasp him with my ears. I even wrote an analytical paper on his music! Any feedback is appreciated.   All the articles in TAO re: improvisation seem contrived to me. Does anyone have other approaches to improv or know of something they can recommend I read? I didn't like Gerre Hancock's book which was way too structured with rules and exercises from the start...I'd like an approach which would start with my ear and trusting it; not with formulas to convert a hymn tune into arpeggios.