PipeChat Digest #2517 - Sunday, November 25, 2001
 
Re: Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
My Organic Weekend
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Any tips on relays, etc.?
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: Any tips on relays, etc.?
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Jardine Information
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Any tips on relays, etc.?
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:17:43 EST     --part1_f4.12dc09e6.293192a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/24/01 4:42:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, = l2nn@juno.com writes:     > <Do people think organmaster shoes are bad or low quality? If yes, then > where else do I buy shoes? I have a pair of red shoes from Tic Tac Toes > but organmastershoes.com tells me these are just dance shoes. > It's a good thing that Organmaster does not depend upon me for sustenance. = I've only bought three pairs of shoes from the in almost forty years! = One pair was replaced because they were used by a beagle to clean her teeth = and remind me that I shouldn't leave her with a sitter and go on vacation. I still have the other two pair and use both. I know no better recommendation, except that the beagle in question seemed to think the leather was very high quality and extremely tasty!!! ;-)   > > All the articles in TAO re: improvisation seem contrived to me. Does > anyone have other approaches to improv or know of something they can > recommend I read? I didn't like Gerre Hancock's book which was way too > structured with rules and exercises from the start...I'd like an = approach > which would start with my ear and trusting it; not with formulas to > convert a hymn tune into arpeggios.   I would recommend using your ears as "teachers" for a while. Rather = than work around a pre-existing melody, begin by "working" chords in various = types of movement, and then transposing that movement to a new key, and = continuing the process. Another exercise is to play paralled sixths with a contrasting pedal part which moves arrhythmically beneath. Then add a sustained note above, below, or in the midst of the sixths. It need not = be a melodic idea, but just another part of the chord to contrast with the = moving sixths. It will also help to try this on different stops. You will discover that what you produce will vary somewhat according to the sound = that you are hearing. Use simple combinations: a principal, a flute (at 8 or = 4), a string 8 and flute 4, and, yes (why not?) go ahead and use a &^%$&# celeste! ;-) Good luck. It's great fun.   Another thing I have discovered..... improvisations are generally better = when you are "on the spot" such as during a service, or in front of friends. = But remember, you are trying to inspire them... not impress them. When ego enters... beauty often leaves! ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_f4.12dc09e6.293192a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/24/01 4:42:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, l2nn@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&lt;Do people = think organmaster shoes are bad or low quality? If yes, then <BR>where else do I buy shoes? I have a pair of red shoes from Tic Tac = Toes <BR>but organmastershoes.com tells me these are just dance shoes. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>It's a good thing that Organmaster does not depend upon me for = sustenance. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've only bought three pairs of shoes from the in = almost forty years! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One pair was replaced because = they were used by a beagle to clean her teeth and remind me that I = shouldn't leave her with a sitter and go on vacation. &nbsp;I still have = the other two pair and use both. &nbsp;&nbsp;I know no better = recommendation, except that the beagle in question seemed to think the = leather was very high quality and extremely tasty!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>All the articles in TAO re: improvisation seem contrived to me. = &nbsp;Does <BR>anyone have other approaches to improv or know of something they can <BR>recommend I read? I didn't like Gerre Hancock's book which was way too <BR>structured with rules and exercises from the start...I'd like an = approach <BR>which would start with my ear and trusting it; not with formulas to <BR>convert a hymn tune into arpeggios.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I would recommend using your ears as "teachers" for a while. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rather than work around a pre-existing melody, begin by = "working" chords in various types of movement, and then transposing that = movement to a new key, and continuing the process. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Another exercise is to play paralled sixths with a = contrasting pedal part which moves arrhythmically beneath. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Then add a sustained note above, below, or in the midst of the = sixths. &nbsp;It need not be a melodic idea, but just another part of the = chord to contrast with the moving sixths. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It will also = help to try this on different stops. &nbsp;You will discover that what you = produce will vary somewhat according to the sound that you are hearing. = &nbsp;Use simple combinations: &nbsp;a principal, a flute (at 8 or 4), a = string 8 and flute 4, and, yes (why not?) go ahead and use a = &amp;^%$&amp;# celeste! &nbsp;;-) <BR>Good luck. &nbsp;It's great fun. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Another thing I have discovered..... improvisations are generally = better when you are "on the spot" such as during a service, or in front of = friends. &nbsp;&nbsp;But remember, you are trying to inspire them... not = impress them. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When ego enters... beauty often leaves! <BR>;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f4.12dc09e6.293192a7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Shoes, Dupre ,Messiaen, Improvisation From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:01:27 EST     --part1_4e.23fb830.2931aaf7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have had the same pair of Organmaster Shoes for 8 years now. Constant use!   About improvisation... I think one of the fundamental considerations is = form. How are you going to structure your piece? Is it a modulation in the = middle of a hymn? Is it going to be a full-fledged piece? Will it be ABA, = fugal, what?   Secondly, harmonic progression is the cornerstone of improvisation (IMHO). = One must decide if he/she is going to remain diatonic or branch out chromatically or in some other fashion.   Third, the old concept of repetition and variation (I don't mean as in theme/variation) comes into play. What are you going to repeat? How are = you going to repeat it? And then, how will you contrast that? Give enough repetition so the ears have something to latch onto, and then contrast for =   interest.   Go for it.   Neil Brown   --part1_4e.23fb830.2931aaf7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I have had the same pair of Organmaster Shoes for 8 years now. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Constant use! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>About improvisation... I think one of the fundamental considerations = is form. &nbsp;How are you going to structure your piece? &nbsp;Is it a = modulation in the middle of a hymn? &nbsp;Is it going to be a full-fledged = piece? &nbsp;Will it be ABA, &nbsp;fugal, what? <BR> <BR>Secondly, harmonic progression is the cornerstone of improvisation = (IMHO). &nbsp;One must decide if he/she is going to remain diatonic or = branch out chromatically or in some other fashion. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Third, the old concept of repetition and variation (I don't mean as in = theme/variation) comes into play. &nbsp;What are you going to repeat? = &nbsp;How are you going to repeat it? &nbsp;And then, how will you = contrast that? &nbsp;Give enough repetition so the ears have something to = latch onto, and then contrast for interest. <BR> <BR>Go for it. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4e.23fb830.2931aaf7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: My Organic Weekend From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:06:47 -0500   Hi Everyone, It seems my organaholic "sickness" (as my friend Joe Nichols calls it) is progressing quite nicely, thank you. This weekend began with a fun, but rather bizarre IRC chat (on Friday night ) with the largest group we have had for some time. I apologize to those who kept going after midnight, (Doug), because I fell asleep at some point before that. Thankfully, I have learned how to log the chats, so I can read what I missed the next day. Tonight, I attended a recital ay a local Methodist Church performed by an Oberlin College student. I almost did not go because I had stopped by the Church earlier today, and learned that the instrument was a 2 man Rodgers. The program seemed interesting with a lot of Bach, some Brahms, and Vierne's "Carillon de Westminster", so I decided "what the heck" and went anyway. The organ seemed incredibly synthetic, and gave me my first glimpse of why you folks seem so negative about electronic instruments. At the same time, it was a credible performance, and I applaud the Oberlin student (Bradley Fitch), for making the best of what was at hand. I enjoyed his "Carillon" very much. Tomorrow, I will attend the first of a 4 concert Series at Severance Hall. Todd Wilson will perform an improvisation to the silent movie "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" as well as several other selections. It will be good to hear my old friend Skinner Opus 816, and its REAL pipes again. I wonder if Ken List will be lurking behind the facade? :-) In between all of this activity, I have been listening to Thomas Murray perform his magic on the Woolsey Hall Skinner at Yale. This CD has become a frequent pick from my library which has swelled to over 150 CDs and records in the past 6 months. Just 12 short months ago, I would have never considered buying anything but rock recordings. So, yes, I am gravely ill with organitis, but it is the most wonderful sickness I could have ever imagined. My Thanksgiving thoughts this year are centered around You All--those who have inspired me, helped me, and taught me why it's perfectly normal and perfectly acceptable to be obsessed by the King. Thank You so much, and I wish you all a happy Holiday Season.   Cheers Mike    
(back) Subject: Any tips on relays, etc.? From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:56:56 -0600   I am getting the parts from my local organ builder to build a small working pipe organ for my 4-H project this year. I need a way to interface between my MIDI OUT signal (from my keyboard stack) and the pipes. What do y'all reccomend? Any other tips as I embark on my project would be much appreciated.   Thank you! Paul Soulek  
(back) Subject: Re: Any tips on relays, etc.? From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:19:37 -0500   Oh Paul, A project after my own heart. Please keep us posted and perhaps = consider documenting the stages of your project with digital pictures if you can. This would be great material to be posted to a website so we can all vicariously participate. I have Mark Wick's book "Organbuilding for Amateurs, and have longed to get started on some paper pipes myself. Good luck with your research, and I'm sorry I can't answer your MIDI question, but would sure love to hear the answer. I don't know if you are aware of = the Diyapason List which is dedicated to home builders and their concerns. It might be a valuable resource for your project.   Cheers mike   Paul Soulek wrote:   > I am getting the parts from my local organ builder to build a small > working pipe organ for my 4-H project this year. I need a way to > interface between my MIDI OUT signal (from my keyboard stack) and the > pipes. What do y'all reccomend? Any other tips as I embark on my project > would be much appreciated. > > Thank you! > Paul Soulek > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Jardine Information From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:28:43 -0600   Greetings:   There is a beautiful restored Jardine in the First Baptist Church, Hudson WI.   The organ is in beautiful condition. It can be played by using the blower or the original hand pump.   The church welcomes visitors.   Sincerely,   Tom Gregory   p.s. Hudson is approximately 20 miles from St. Paul MN. The city also = has a retored theater containing a two manual Wurlitzer. -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569  
(back) Subject: Re: Any tips on relays, etc.? From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:07:57 -0800   Paul and group,   I have a MIDI decoder for doing just what is called for, for Pauls' project I'll supply it far below the normal cost for his 4-H project, I have refered him to my web site te see the decoder and schematic.   Vern Jones, Sound Research http://www.foothill.net/~soundres   Paul Soulek wrote: > > I am getting the parts from my local organ builder to build a small > working pipe organ for my 4-H project this year. I need a way to > interface between my MIDI OUT signal (from my keyboard stack) and the > pipes. What do y'all reccomend? Any other tips as I embark on my project > would be much appreciated. > > Thank you! > Paul Soulek