PipeChat Digest #2408 - Monday, October 1, 2001
 
Re: Subbing on a Rodgers ...
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <EppleyB@cs.com>
Chris McPhee to debut on Rochester 4/22 - Oct. 13 (cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <CVStanford@aol.com>
Widor Tocatta (Choral)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral)
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral)
  by "Neil Shepherd" <neilshepherd@blueyonder.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Subbing on a Rodgers ... From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:58:36 +0930   Ian wrote, Thanks Morton. I appreciate your response, and I found the added info. = very valuable. With Best Wishes. Ian.   > From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:18:21 +0800 (CST) > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Subbing on a Rodgers ... > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, pat and ian wrote: > >> Please explain finishing a rank "PROPERLY"? Surely this is a subjective >> issue? >> Ian. > > > Yes, I'm the first to admit that finishing a rank "Properly" is, from = some > points, a subjective issue.... > > Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "properly..." Perhaps I should > have just said that a rank should be voiced... > > At any rate, allow me to comment a bit on what I mean by finishing a > rank properly... > > With respect to a church organ/ electronic organ, a rank should be > voiced so that the rank in question has a tone that sounds nice in a > church... a tone that is, considering the rank in question, of proper > volume... a tone that blends well with the other ranks in the organ... > and a tone which is pleasing for the human ear to listen to. > > In my previous post I commented on some of the ranks of this electronic > organ that I liked... > > May I comment on a rank which I have all often encountered that I don't > like? Such a rank may have the name "salicional" or "viole" or "viole > d'orchestre" or sometimes even "viola." Two of these ranks together = make > very nice celestes... but unfortunately one such rank by itself all to > often sounds very vile to me (pardon the humon)... because it is so thin > and grating to the ear... almost always you must use a flute 8 with = this > type of rank... All too many Moller Salicionals on the organs I have > played sound like this... > > Salicionals can be voiced nicely, e. g. an Estey pipe organ made in = about > 1910 which I heard at New Providence Presb. Church, Raphine Va., and an > Estey reed organ which I used to have at my home.... Violas can be = voiced > nice and silvery a la Hook and Hastings, e. g. the 3 rank artiste at St. > Paul's Episc. Church, Bailey's Cross Roads, Falls Church, Va. > > > It just seems to me that in the past the ranks of some electronic organs > have not been voiced/finished to suit the venue of the particular organ = in > question.... > > Best wishes, > > > > Morton Belcher > > > >> >>> From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> >>> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:49:03 +0800 (CST) >>> To: pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Subject: Subbing on a Rodgers ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings to all! >>> >>> suitable... >>> >>> >>> We all know about the pipe/electronic debate... but yet we all know = that >>> houses of worship will continue to purchase electronics... >>> >>> At any rate, this organ proved to me that, with proper finishing and >>> speaker placement, electronic organs can sound much better now than = they >>> did many years ago... So if you are about to have an electronic = installed >>> in your place of worship, do your best to ensure that each "rank" is >>> "finished" properly and that the speakers are located at the best = location >>> possible... The result will be an above average organ, from a tonal = point >>> of view... >>> >>> (Disclaimer) Oh, and, um, yes, I have no connection with Rodgers = organs... >>> >>> >>> Best wishes to all... >>> >>> >>> >>> Morton Belcher >>> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:22:43 EDT     --part1_6b.1b644e07.28e86893_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/28/2001 11:03:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgregory@speeddial.net writes:     > > Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? > >   NO...any competant organist that the church (might) find would be = perfectly at home setting his/her own combinations based on their practice/comfort level.   Rick in VA   --part1_6b.1b644e07.28e86893_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/28/2001 11:03:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgregory@speeddial.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>NO...any competant organist that the church (might) find would be = perfectly at home setting his/her own combinations based on their = practice/comfort level. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.1b644e07.28e86893_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <EppleyB@cs.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:56:57 EDT     --part1_29.1b7bf566.28e87099_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Are you wrong? No, the settings were yours to choose, and yours to use, and yours to = erase. Any competant organist should be able to set their own. BUT, ...... It doesn't sound to me as though the Pastor is planning on hiring a "competant Organist" at all, they'll be lucky to get a competent = Musician at that rate. It certainly would be KIND and would do no harm to leave the settings, = just in case whomever the church hires really cannot do the job. The congregation left behind just might appreciate familiar sounds, as = well.   The decision certainly is up to you, and I don't think you are politically =   incorrect either way.   Barb Eppley Shepard Road Christian Church Macedonia, Ohio   --part1_29.1b7bf566.28e87099_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Are you wrong? <BR>No, &nbsp;the settings were yours to choose, and yours to use, and = yours to erase. <BR>Any competant organist should be able to set their own. <BR>BUT, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;...... <BR>It doesn't sound to me as though the Pastor is planning on hiring a = "competant Organist" &nbsp;at all, &nbsp;&nbsp;they'll be lucky to get a = competent Musician at that rate. <BR> <BR>It certainly would be KIND and would do no harm to leave the settings, = just in case whomever the church hires &nbsp;really cannot do the job. <BR>The congregation left behind just might &nbsp;appreciate familiar = sounds, as well. <BR> <BR>The decision certainly is up to you, and I don't think you are = politically incorrect either way. <BR> <BR>Barb Eppley <BR>Shepard Road Christian Church <BR>Macedonia, Ohio</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.1b7bf566.28e87099_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Chris McPhee to debut on Rochester 4/22 - Oct. 13 (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:27:50 -0400   Young, dynamic, Australian theater organist Chris Mc Phee will entertain = at Rochester's Auditorium Center 4/22 Wurlitzer at 8 p.m. on Saturday, = October 13th. This will mark his debut before a Rochester audience.   The Auditorium Center is located at 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. Tickets priced at only $10 each will go on sale at 7 p.m. at the = box office.   Complete information including Chris McPhee's biography, driving and hotel information, RTOS membership bonus offer plus lots of pictures are yours when you visit http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . A very talented = artist, a famous Wurlitzer and a friendly welcome await you.   P.S. - Travel an hour and a half west to hear Jonas Nordwall playing the Wurlitzer on Sunday, October 14 at 2 p.m. at Shea's Performing Arts = Center, 646 Main St., Buffalo, NY 14202. Another musical treat!   A fabulous Wurlitzer weekend in Western New York! Hope to see you at both events.   Best regards, Ken Evans, President of RTOS    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <CVStanford@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:55:49 EDT   No Tom....   you are correct..   another sad situation.. Robert  
(back) Subject: Widor Tocatta (Choral) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:30:10 -0400   Dear List,   Can someone please provide me with the publication data for the Choral piece by (I believe) Gordon Young that uses the Widor Tocatta as the accompianment??       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY       ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:27:53 EDT     --part1_135.26580b6.28e92ea9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Douglas:   It's called Gloria, and the choral parts are separate from the Widor = Toccata. it is by Gordon Young. It's the Gloria in Excelsis Deo. Very big choir needed to balance the organ.   Ron   --part1_135.26580b6.28e92ea9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Douglas: <BR> <BR>It's called Gloria, and the choral parts are separate from the Widor = Toccata. <BR>it is by Gordon Young. It's the Gloria in Excelsis Deo. Very big choir <BR>needed to balance the organ. <BR> <BR>Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_135.26580b6.28e92ea9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:02:47 -0500   >Hi Douglas: > >It's called Gloria, and the choral parts are separate from the Widor = Toccata. >it is by Gordon Young. It's the Gloria in Excelsis Deo. Very big choir >needed to balance the organ. > >Ron   Actually there is a much earlier arrangement done by Arthur C. Becker, a student of Widor's. It is called "Alleluia" It is out of print but was published by McLaughlin & Reilly. There are also brass parts that went along with it. It was originally arranged in the 1930's and published in the mid- 40's. If you can get copyright permission I have copies of that arrangement.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral) From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:07:29 -0700 (PDT)       --- David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> wrote: > >Hi Douglas: > > > >It's called Gloria, and the choral parts are separate from the Widor = Toccata. > >it is by Gordon Young. It's the Gloria in Excelsis Deo. Very big choir > >needed to balance the organ. > > > >Ron > > Actually there is a much earlier arrangement done by Arthur C. > Becker, a student of Widor's. It is called "Alleluia" It is out of > print but was published by McLaughlin & Reilly. There are also brass > parts that went along with it. It was originally arranged in the > 1930's and published in the mid- 40's. If you can get copyright > permission I have copies of that arrangement. > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral) From: "Neil Shepherd" <neilshepherd@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:58:49 +0100   Sir David Willcocks, by way of a contrast, has recently written "Sing", = his own choral arrangement of the Toccata from Widor 5. Published by Oxford University Press recently, it uses the whole piece, divided amongst the choir! They actualy sing what Widor wrote (almost!)   Neil