PipeChat Digest #2409 - Tuesday, October 2, 2001
 
Re: Sir David's Widor Toccata (Choral)
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: Widor Toccata (Choral)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Everett Theatre Organ Concert
  by <WurlyBob@aol.com>
Piston contents: Help the novices
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Persichetti's Do Not Go Gentle
  by <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: Piston contents: Help the novices
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re:  Piston contents: Help the novices
  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Dr, Robert Baker
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Grace Cathedral - San Francisco
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: Strange pastoral request
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Sir David's Widor Toccata (Choral) From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:21:35 EDT     --part1_11e.532dc8b.28e9abbf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi, Y'all!   Last year when Sir David was our guest choral conductor at Church = Music=3D20 Explosion, we did his "Sing" as the encore for our "Music from the=3D20 Cathedrals" concert. It seemed appropriate since all the repertoire for = the=3D20 concert was from either the British or French traditions. John Weaver was = th=3D e=3D20 organist and we had a big brass bunch and a big ol' choir screaming = high=3D20 "F's!" It was great fun. I think as the encore of the concert it worked = quit=3D e=3D20 well.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea   PS -- Sir David returns to the Explosion this year to do a "Service = of=3D20 Lessons and Carols" in the style of King's College, Cambridge. Todd = Wilson=3D20 will accompany this service and do the Dupr=3DE9 noel variations as his = major=3D20 musical offering in this service. David R. Davidson will conduct the=3D20 performing handbell choir. It should be a great week.   --part1_11e.532dc8b.28e9abbf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#8000ff" = SIZE=3D3D2>Hi, Y'a=3D ll! <BR> <BR>Last year when Sir David was our guest choral conductor at Church = Music=3D20=3D Explosion, we did his "Sing" as the encore for our "Music from the = Cathedral=3D s" concert. It seemed appropriate since all the repertoire for the concert = w=3D as from either the British or French traditions. John Weaver was the = organis=3D t and we had a big brass bunch and a big ol' choir screaming high "F's!" = It=3D20=3D was great fun. I think as the encore of the concert it worked quite well. <BR> <BR>Yours, <BR> <BR>Darryl by the Sea <BR> <BR>PS -- Sir David returns to the Explosion this year to do a "Service of = L=3D essons and Carols" in the style of King's College, Cambridge. Todd Wilson = wi=3D ll accompany this service and do the Dupr=3DE9 noel variations as his = major mu=3D sical offering in this service. David R. Davidson will conduct the = performin=3D g handbell choir. It should be a great week.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11e.532dc8b.28e9abbf_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Toccata (Choral) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:04:52 -0400   ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Shepherd <neilshepherd@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Widor Tocatta (Choral)     > Sir David Willcocks, by way of a contrast, has recently written "Sing", his > own choral arrangement of the Toccata from Widor 5. Published by Oxford > University Press recently, it uses the whole piece, divided amongst the > choir! They actualy sing what Widor wrote (almost!) >   My gosh....when does a chorus member get to take a breath? :-) [Knowing Sir David....he has a clever way of pulling it off.]   Have a great day...   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] Producer & Host: "Orgelwerke" & "Choral Traditions", WCNY-FM, 91.3, Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown; Website: www.wcny.org e-mail: orge@dreamscape.com        
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:27:38 +0800   I would say not. As you said, those are your registrations - they are not "presets" that came with the organ. If the new pianist doesn't know how = to select stops, perhaps they will appreciate the need to hire a real = organist. My church used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or = music reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, she got the = majority of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the staff organist. = But when we finally replaced the Hammond with an organ with actual stops and = the only way she could figure out to get a sound out of it was with the = crescendo pedal - it only took a few times before they decided they really should = let the regular organist play for the weddings. I also recall an occasion in my childhood church where we were between organists and choir directors - the pastor's wife took over (literally - and was pretty much the cause of the openings) - and then proceeded to pressure a woman who had taken piano as = a child into playing the organ in worship (we're talking 2000 member church = and 3 manual organ here). As the woman sat on the bench looking bewildered and protesting that she did not know how to play the organ - the wife reached = over and randomly pulled on 3 or 4 drawknobs and said "it's easy - it's just = another keyboard" Sometimes it takes hearing an organ played badly to make = people realize it really does require training, even to play "just hymns".   So - I would not hide the key or any such thing, but your registrations = are as much yours as your harmonizations or improvisations.   Margo Dillard   Patricia/Thomas Gregory wrote:   > Greetings: > > After 32 years I have resigned my position as organist/choir > director/handbell director due to the hiring of pastor(s) who prefer a = more > contemporary musical style. > > The church now has a screen for hymns and seldom uses our hymnal = "Rejoice In > The Lord". > > The Skinner (IV/44) will be seldom used; instead piano/w/other = instruments > seem to be in the future. > > The pastor said the new musician would have little difficulty playing = the > organ because he/she could just come in on Sunday morning and use the > combination action to set the stops. > > I told to the pastor that I would be clearing my pistons after my final > program (which was last Sunday afternoon). I explained that my > registrations and combination settings were "as personal as a = toothbrush", > but I would be leaving detailed instructions regarding care of the > instrument. > > Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? > > Sincerely, > > Tom Gregory > > -- > Thomas Gregory > 716 West College Avenue > Waukesha WI USA > 53186-4569 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Everett Theatre Organ Concert From: <WurlyBob@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:15:45 EDT   On Sunday, October 14 at 2:30 PM there will be a theatre organ concert at =   the Everett Theatre in Middletown, DE featuring Don Kinnier at a 3/15 = Walker Digital Theatre Organ. The theatre is located at 45 W. Main St. For Directions call Ellen days @ 302-378-1200, eves. @ 302-378-9432.   Bob Raymond, Jr.  
(back) Subject: Piston contents: Help the novices From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:39:21 +0930   On a 4-level memory system on an organ installed in a crematorium, the = organ builder has set up the piston registrations on memory level one for the benefit of "players" who wouldn't know how to set pistons. A drawback is that you cannot program level one, because the builder has denied access = to level one. You take it or leave it. Yes! The builder graciously left = memory levels 1, 2, and 3 available! <grin>, and a note explaining why he "fixed" level one. Isn't life wonderful?! Ian.   > From: Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:27:38 +0800 > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request > > I would say not. As you said, those are your registrations - they are = not > "presets" that came with the organ. If the new pianist doesn't know how = to > select stops, perhaps they will appreciate the need to hire a real = organist. > My church used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or = music > reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, she got the = majority > of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the staff = organist. > But > when we finally replaced the Hammond with an organ with actual stops and = the > only way she could figure out to get a sound out of it was with the = crescendo > pedal - it only took a few times before they decided they really should = let > the > regular organist play for the weddings. I also recall an occasion in my > childhood church where we were between organists and choir directors - = the > pastor's wife took over (literally - and was pretty much the cause of = the > openings) - and then proceeded to pressure a woman who had taken piano = as a > child into playing the organ in worship (we're talking 2000 member = church and > 3 > manual organ here). As the woman sat on the bench looking bewildered = and > protesting that she did not know how to play the organ - the wife = reached over > and randomly pulled on 3 or 4 drawknobs and said "it's easy - it's just > another > keyboard" Sometimes it takes hearing an organ played badly to make = people > realize it really does require training, even to play "just hymns". > > So - I would not hide the key or any such thing, but your registrations = are as > much yours as your harmonizations or improvisations. > > Margo Dillard > > Patricia/Thomas Gregory wrote: > >> Greetings: >> >> After 32 years I have resigned my position as organist/choir >> director/handbell director due to the hiring of pastor(s) who prefer a = more >> contemporary musical style. >> >> The church now has a screen for hymns and seldom uses our hymnal = "Rejoice In >> The Lord". >> >> The Skinner (IV/44) will be seldom used; instead piano/w/other = instruments >> seem to be in the future. >> >> The pastor said the new musician would have little difficulty playing = the >> organ because he/she could just come in on Sunday morning and use the >> combination action to set the stops. >> >> I told to the pastor that I would be clearing my pistons after my final >> program (which was last Sunday afternoon). I explained that my >> registrations and combination settings were "as personal as a = toothbrush", >> but I would be leaving detailed instructions regarding care of the >> instrument. >> >> Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Tom Gregory >> >> -- >> Thomas Gregory >> 716 West College Avenue >> Waukesha WI USA >> 53186-4569 >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Persichetti's Do Not Go Gentle From: <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:21:49 -0500   Dear Listmembers:   I have a nonorganist friend who (thinks he) knows just about everything = there is to know about 20th-century music (e.g., he helped N. Slonimsky with recent revisions of Baker's and writes for Fanfare Magazine). He is very fond of = the piece mentioned above and swears that no one has recorded it. Does anyone = out there have or know of a recording (CD, LP, tape) of this work?   Many thanks, Bob Lind Good Shepherd Church Naperville, IL      
(back) Subject: Re: Piston contents: Help the novices From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:45:13 +0930   Oops! Sorry Pipers! I should have typed "left memory levels TWO, THREE, = and FOUR available". <grimace>. Ian.   > From: pat and ian <patian@senet.com.au> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:39:21 +0930 > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Piston contents: Help the novices > > On a 4-level memory system on an organ installed in a crematorium, the = organ > builder has set up the piston registrations on memory level one for the > benefit of "players" who wouldn't know how to set pistons. A drawback is > that you cannot program level one, because the builder has denied access = to > level one. You take it or leave it. Yes! The builder graciously left = memory > levels 1, 2, and 3 available! <grin>, and a note explaining why he = "fixed" > level one. Isn't life wonderful?! > Ian. > >> From: Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> >> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:27:38 +0800 >> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request >> >> I would say not. As you said, those are your registrations - they are = not >> "presets" that came with the organ. If the new pianist doesn't know = how to >> select stops, perhaps they will appreciate the need to hire a real = organist. >> My church used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or = music >> reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, she got the >> majority >> of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the staff = organist. >> But >> when we finally replaced the Hammond with an organ with actual stops = and the >> only way she could figure out to get a sound out of it was with the = crescendo >> pedal - it only took a few times before they decided they really should = let >> the >> regular organist play for the weddings. I also recall an occasion in = my >> childhood church where we were between organists and choir directors - = the >> pastor's wife took over (literally - and was pretty much the cause of = the >> openings) - and then proceeded to pressure a woman who had taken piano = as a >> child into playing the organ in worship (we're talking 2000 member = church and >> 3 >> manual organ here). As the woman sat on the bench looking bewildered = and >> protesting that she did not know how to play the organ - the wife = reached >> over >> and randomly pulled on 3 or 4 drawknobs and said "it's easy - it's just >> another >> keyboard" Sometimes it takes hearing an organ played badly to make = people >> realize it really does require training, even to play "just hymns". >> >> So - I would not hide the key or any such thing, but your registrations = are >> as >> much yours as your harmonizations or improvisations. >> >> Margo Dillard >> >> Patricia/Thomas Gregory wrote: >> >>> Greetings: >>> >>> After 32 years I have resigned my position as organist/choir >>> director/handbell director due to the hiring of pastor(s) who prefer a = more >>> contemporary musical style. >>> >>> The church now has a screen for hymns and seldom uses our hymnal = "Rejoice In >>> The Lord". >>> >>> The Skinner (IV/44) will be seldom used; instead piano/w/other = instruments >>> seem to be in the future. >>> >>> The pastor said the new musician would have little difficulty playing = the >>> organ because he/she could just come in on Sunday morning and use the >>> combination action to set the stops. >>> >>> I told to the pastor that I would be clearing my pistons after my = final >>> program (which was last Sunday afternoon). I explained that my >>> registrations and combination settings were "as personal as a = toothbrush", >>> but I would be leaving detailed instructions regarding care of the >>> instrument. >>> >>> Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Tom Gregory >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Gregory >>> 716 West College Avenue >>> Waukesha WI USA >>> 53186-4569 >>> >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:07:38 EDT   In a message dated 01-10-01 09:28:28 EDT, you write:   > My church used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or = music > reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, she got the > majority > of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the staff = organist.   that goes totally against AGO guidelines. did you make them aware of that =   fact??? Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: Piston contents: Help the novices From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:58:38 -0500   No, they are your stops. Clear them.   Jim H   I am sure that the church will soon tire of karioke.   > >> Quick question....Am I wrong in clearing the combinations? > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Tom Gregory > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Gregory > >> 716 West College Avenue > >> Waukesha WI USA > >> 53186-4569 > >> > >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:55:12 EDT     --part1_cf.c6e0bf7.28ea8690_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/1/01 9:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:     > > My church used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or =   > music > > reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, she got the =   > > majority > > of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the staff > organist. > > that goes totally against AGO guidelines. did you make them aware of = that > fact??? >   Merry,   That is SO cute.. Do you REALLY think churches care??? Thanks for = the laugh!! ;-)   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_cf.c6e0bf7.28ea8690_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/1/01 9:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt; My church = used to have a substitute "organist" who had no training (or music <BR>&gt; &nbsp;reading) - she not only subbed when I could not be there, = she got the <BR>&gt; majority <BR>&gt; &nbsp;of the weddings and funerals in spite of my protest as the = staff organist. <BR> <BR>that goes totally against AGO guidelines. &nbsp;did you make them = aware of that <BR>fact??? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Merry, <BR> <BR>That is SO cute.. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you REALLY think churches = care??? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks for the laugh!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_cf.c6e0bf7.28ea8690_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Dr, Robert Baker From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:40:09 -0500   HI list, Can anyone please tell me if Dr. Robert Baker is still alive? He taught at Yale and the Union Theological Seminary. He was also a student of my great aunt Ada, who taught English at Pontiac Township High School in Pontiac, Illinois from where Dr. Baker hailed. Thanks for your help. Gary    
(back) Subject: Grace Cathedral - San Francisco From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 02:10:33 EDT   The wonderful G Donald Harrison Aeolian-Skinner Organ in Grace Cathedral = has a new addition. It is an unenclosed Tuba Magna under 25 inches of wind = with hooded resonators double length from middle c up, and it is wonderful. Congratulations to Grace Cathedral.   R Jay Williamson  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange pastoral request From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 03:04:11 EDT   In a message dated 01-10-01 22:56:48 EDT, you write:   > > Merry, > > That is SO cute.. Do you REALLY think churches care??? Thanks = for the > > laugh!! ;-)   well, i'm sorry but i don't consider this matter CUTE; i think it is quite =   serious. somebody has to educate them. i would not take a job where the =   clergy had such callous disregard of what is ethical and fair. it is certainly an indication that they don't consider you a professional. i = hope you think more of yourself.