PipeChat Digest #2411 - Tuesday, October 2, 2001
 
what being a professional MEANS
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: the AGO
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
RE: the AGO
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Professionalism, AGO, etc.
  by <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: the AGO
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Professionalism, AGO, etc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Dr, Robert Baker
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Professionalism, AGO, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Professionalism, AGO, etc.
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: the AGO
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: the AGO
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
hello
  by <Frogjake@aol.com>
Re: the AGO
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Fwd:  Classical 33 recordings
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: the AGO
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: the AGO
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: the AGO
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: hello
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: the AGO
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re:Amateur
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: hello
  by <Frogjake@aol.com>
Re: the AGO
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
 

(back) Subject: what being a professional MEANS From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:56:48 -0700   It means, among other things, that I have the leisure to do research and compose ... most important, I have the leisure to sit and THINK about church music ... and, for that matter, discuss it at length on this and other lists.   Time set aside to do creative THINKING and research is probably one of the most overlooked components of ANY job today. A train of thought may lead me from the Bible to the Breviary to the Antiphonale to an out-of-print 19th century setting of a text that has to be transcribed from microfilm and re-engraved, which I located by asking about it on one of the lists, or by searching collections online.   And that's just for ONE anthem.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:08:50 -0400   http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=3Damateur   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Hi Bud, That folks here don't know the primary meaning of amateur is > not your fault and I don't think you should have to apologize for > that. If people weren't so uptight and quick to jump to conclusions > they might have understood what you were saying, as I do, I might add. > Folks on this list are very quick to take things personally and much > to quick to mis- or rather "self-" interpret too much toward the > pejorative side of the world, if I may, and even if I may not!!Robert > Colasacco > > I'm sorry ... I was using "amateur" in the sense that the Brits use it > on Anglican-Music ... MOST British choirs are led by "amateurs" in the > sense that they donate their time or receive a very SMALL honorarium > (salaries across the pond are even more miserable than they are in the > U.S.) ... for instance, my netfriend Deon in South Africa is a > full-time lawyer; he conducts Mozart and Haydn at St. Michael and All > Angels in his "spare" time. He certainly isn't an "amateur" in the > sense of ABILITIES; but he IS an "amateur" in the sense that church > music is an avocation/hobby, rather than his livelihood. > > And yes, DR. Dillard, I AM aware that MANY professionals CHOOSE to > take small part-time church jobs. Dr. Willan's salary at St. Mary > Magdalene in Toronto probably paid for the gas and upkeep of his car > ... certainly no MORE; he made his LIVING teaching at the University > of Toronto. > > But just IMAGINE what he MIGHT have accomplished at St. Mary Magdalene > if he hadn't HAD to teach full-time. > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > >> >> >> > "amateur" >> >> Unfortunately, this term is grossly misused. The prevailing >> connotation implies less than good, second-rate, slapstick. >> >> "Amateur" truly means "for the love of doing it" (or something like >> that). Anyway, one loves what one is doing. It seems to mean that >> one would do regardless of being paid. >> >> I greatly prefer the terms full-time or part-time or volunteer. >> There are many volunteer musicians who are very competent. There >> are not so few full-time persons that have no business holding down >> a church job. The gamut is wide. >> >> Neil B > -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: RE: the AGO From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:26:44 -0400   Now here's where the problem lies, "One lacking the skill of a = professional, as in an art" as the 3rd meaning, mind you not the primary meaning. Now, there is offense taken here due to the fact that "lacking the skill = <stop>" is used. We find that offensive for an amateur may, and many do, have = quite a good skill but add "of a professional" that is rare in the amateur and = not to be belittled for it just means that the amateur, who may have excellent skills, lacks the "formal" training skill(s) of the professional and THAT = is what makes for the difference between the two. Not that the professional even be "better," if that's what we care about, than the amateur but that the professional will have been trained formally in particular skills. = S/he must then apply those properly or be a poor professional non the less a professional as opposed to a good amateur who has trained oneself in = certain skills. Robert Colasacco   -     http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=3Damateur    
(back) Subject: Professionalism, AGO, etc. From: <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:40:58 -0500   I find it interesting that the guy who started this [s]train of thought = is NOT playing these days, as a professional, the extended works of Bach and = Franck that he mentions as examples of works that set one apart as a professional = in this field. I've been in this game for over forty years. Over that span, = there have been gaps in my church-music employment (including a stint in the = Army during the Vietnam era, which pretty much jettisoned my aspirations to = remain full-time in the field), but I do consider and always have considered = myself a professional, and a very active one at that. Yes, I have had a full-time = job in the corporate world for most of the past 30-some years, but that hasn't = kept me from composing, getting published, thinking, reading and writing about = music, finding and buying organ music from around the world, and adding = substantial works to my organ repertory on an almost weekly basis. Then there's choral music. I buy circa 50 new works annually for my choir, so they're kept = pretty much on the cutting edge as well.   Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. And as a matter of fact, I = could just possibly live on my church salary. It would be tight, and I couldn't = keep up nearly so well with everything, but I could live on it. But I don't = want to. And I think I've been able to keep myself away from burnout by not having = to have a full-time church position that makes incredible administrative, Mickey-Mouse demands that keep one from being an artist.   Bob Lind      
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:50:49 EDT     --part1_103.9fc3fe1.28eb5879_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Little Children, love one another, not as the world loves (Amour) but Agape. Paraphrase of an oft given sermon by St. John the Devine.   Ron   --part1_103.9fc3fe1.28eb5879_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Little Children, love = one another, not as the world loves (Amour) <BR>but Agape. Paraphrase of an oft given sermon by St. John the Devine. <BR> <BR>Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_103.9fc3fe1.28eb5879_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Professionalism, AGO, etc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:55:18 -0400   And?   -----Original Message----- From: Robert_Lind@cch.com [mailto:Robert_Lind@cch.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:41 PM To: Pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Professionalism, AGO, etc.     I find it interesting that the guy who started this [s]train of thought = is NOT playing these days, as a professional, the extended works of Bach and = Franck that he mentions as examples of works that set one apart as a professional in this field. I've been in this game for over forty years. Over that span, there have been gaps in my church-music employment (including a stint in the = Army during the Vietnam era, which pretty much jettisoned my aspirations to remain full-time in the field), but I do consider and always have considered = myself a professional, and a very active one at that. Yes, I have had a full-time = job in the corporate world for most of the past 30-some years, but that hasn't = kept me from composing, getting published, thinking, reading and writing about music, finding and buying organ music from around the world, and adding = substantial works to my organ repertory on an almost weekly basis. Then there's choral music. I buy circa 50 new works annually for my choir, so they're kept pretty much on the cutting edge as well.   Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. And as a matter of fact, I could just possibly live on my church salary. It would be tight, and I couldn't keep up nearly so well with everything, but I could live on it. But I don't = want to. And I think I've been able to keep myself away from burnout by not having = to have a full-time church position that makes incredible administrative, Mickey-Mouse demands that keep one from being an artist.   Bob Lind       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr, Robert Baker From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:51:18 EDT   Dr. Baker is living in Hamden, Connecticut, and recently came to NYC to = play the newly renovated and revoiced organ at First Presbyterian Church, where = he was organist and choirmaster for a quarter of a century. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism, AGO, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:12:30 -0700       Robert_Lind@cch.com wrote:   > I find it interesting that the guy who started this [s]train of thought = is NOT > playing these days, as a professional, the extended works of Bach and = Franck > that he mentions as examples of works that set one apart as a = professional in > this field.   Bob, I will assume that you DON'T know that I am 57 years, have had two = major strokes, and rely upon a wheelchair to get around most of the time.   I can still play the STUFFING out of High Mass, albeit sometimes without = the pedals because my legs don't work ... but no, I don't play Bach Preludes and = Fugues or Franck Chorals anymore; I did, for many years. And in any case, my present = post is 90% choirmaster and 10% organist ... there's no call (and no time between = Masses) for big works.   I trust when you reach the age and health that I have that your peers = will take a more charitable view toward you than you have toward me.   Sincerely,   R.H. "Bud" Clark Organist/Choirmaster St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church Newport Beach CA USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Professionalism, AGO, etc. From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:40:50 -0400   Dear Bud, Boy, I thought you wereolder than I but I find out that I'm three = years older than you. Sumagun Broke the old 60 in June. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Professionalism, AGO, etc.     > > > Robert_Lind@cch.com wrote: > > > I find it interesting that the guy who started this [s]train of = thought is NOT > > playing these days, as a professional, the extended works of Bach and Franck > > that he mentions as examples of works that set one apart as a professional in > > this field. > > Bob, I will assume that you DON'T know that I am 57 years, have had two major > strokes, and rely upon a wheelchair to get around most of the time. > > I can still play the STUFFING out of High Mass, albeit sometimes without the pedals > because my legs don't work ... but no, I don't play Bach Preludes and Fugues or > Franck Chorals anymore; I did, for many years. And in any case, my = present post is > 90% choirmaster and 10% organist ... there's no call (and no time = between Masses) > for big works. > > I trust when you reach the age and health that I have that your peers will take a > more charitable view toward you than you have toward me. > > Sincerely, > > R.H. "Bud" Clark > Organist/Choirmaster > St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church > Newport Beach CA USA > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:10:21 EDT     --part1_da.cfbfa50.28ebb16d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I"m not sure what all the huff is about. I was not responding to Bud's = use of the term "amateur" but rather what I was perceiving others' response to =   his comments were.   My entire choir is "amateur". Without them I would be conducting empty chairs. A lot less headaches, for sure, but definitely not a very = thrilling sound.   Neil B   --part1_da.cfbfa50.28ebb16d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I"m not sure what all the huff is about. &nbsp;I was not = responding to Bud's use of the term "amateur" but rather what I was = perceiving others' response to his comments were. <BR> <BR>My entire choir is "amateur". &nbsp;Without them I would be conducting = empty chairs. &nbsp;A lot less headaches, for sure, but definitely not a = very thrilling sound. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_da.cfbfa50.28ebb16d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:00:53 +0100   Once again, I am compelled to ask the question ...... "AGO"...... 'what that' ? Also, someone mentioned "UAW" ......... and what is that short for ? Sorry to display so much ignorance together in one place at = one-and-the-same time.   Harry     -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 02 October 2001 17:34 Subject: RE: the AGO     >How melodramatic. > > >Obviously should call myself lucky, that the AGO had accepted me as >a member 3 years ago, because I'm such an "amateur". > >But I'm damned proud of it!! > >Felix > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: hello From: <Frogjake@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:44:32 EDT   Hello, I am new to this list. I am interested in organs and keyboards, particularly novel devices such as the kype (a bizarre keyboard sitar I = saw on melodicas.com), and I am also interested in learning about things like = the harmonium, and the potential existence of small, affordable pipe organs. (very small and very affordable hopefully!!) I am looking to get these = kinds of things to help me make wussy psychedelic music, where some = organ/keyboard sounds could really help. As it stands I know very little and will be = very greatful for any information on any of these topics. I am mostly = interested in the junk shop organ side of things. Sincerely, Jacob.  
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:01:29 -0400   The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". We discuss Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished Forum.   I will be attending a wedding in farm country later this month. If the Subject of organ music should raise it's Ugly Head; I'll Report on = it.   Cows & Cattle, in general, are generally regarded as 'off topic' ....and I'm not giving you a bum steer here.   And I assure you that I have no steak in this.     B.F. Wellington yum   (and his lifelong Companion 'bearnaise')       MusicMan wrote: > > Once again, I am compelled to ask the question ...... "AGO"...... 'what > that' ? > Also, someone mentioned "UAW" ......... and what is that short for ? > Sorry to display so much ignorance together in one place at = one-and-the-same > time. > > Harry > > -----Original Message----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> > To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: 02 October 2001 17:34 > Subject: RE: the AGO > > >How melodramatic. > > > > > >Obviously should call myself lucky, that the AGO had accepted me as > >a member 3 years ago, because I'm such an "amateur". > > > >But I'm damned proud of it!! > > > >Felix > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Classical 33 recordings From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:05:16 EDT   =A0 Dear Listers,   I received this a few days ago, and, as I know some of you are collectors, I= =20 thought I'd forward the info and contact. Please reply DIRECTLY to=20 patspad@midtel.net (Horst Enders) =20   Vicki Ceruti -----------------------------   I have an opportunity to purchase a sizeable=A0 collection of longplaying 33= =A0=20 classical recordings =A0 would you be interested=A0 in getting a listing of=A0 classical=A0 orchestra= l=A0=20 recordings ??? PIPE ORGAN & ORCHESTRAL RECORDINGS=A0 ??? PIPE ORGAN RECORDINGS ??? =A0 It would mean going thru this collection -i estimate between 1000 & 2000=A0=20 items and individually listing them.=A0=A0 I am sending this E Mail=A0 to= =A0 about=20 20=A0 Classical organ=A0 players to get a response to see if there is enough= =20 interest to warrent the time expenditure.=A0=A0 The estate that this collect= ion=20 comes from=A0 also had a 7 foot Yamaha grand piano and a=A0 Klann PipeOrgan The muic for the organ and piano=A0 was in very=A0 good condition, and I fee= l=20 that the record collection=A0 would be in the same shape.=A0=A0 Please respo= nd=A0=20 with a yes or no    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:07:12 -0700   Sorry ... Americanisms ... AGO is American Guild of Organists; UAW is = United Auto Workers.   Cheers,   Bud   MusicMan wrote:   > Once again, I am compelled to ask the question ...... "AGO"...... 'what > that' ? > Also, someone mentioned "UAW" ......... and what is that short for ? > Sorry to display so much ignorance together in one place at = one-and-the-same > time. > > Harry > > -----Original Message----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> > To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: 02 October 2001 17:34 > Subject: RE: the AGO > > >How melodramatic. > > > > > >Obviously should call myself lucky, that the AGO had accepted me as > >a member 3 years ago, because I'm such an "amateur". > > > >But I'm damned proud of it!! > > > >Felix > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:08:04 -0700   Stan, go to your ROOM (grin)!       Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". > We discuss Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished Forum. > > I will be attending a wedding in farm country later this month. > If the Subject of organ music should raise it's Ugly Head; I'll Report = on it. > > Cows & Cattle, in general, are generally regarded as 'off topic' > ...and I'm not giving you a bum steer here. > > And I assure you that I have no steak in this. > > B.F. Wellington > yum > > (and his lifelong Companion 'bearnaise') > > MusicMan wrote: > > > > Once again, I am compelled to ask the question ...... "AGO"...... = 'what > > that' ? > > Also, someone mentioned "UAW" ......... and what is that short for ? > > Sorry to display so much ignorance together in one place at = one-and-the-same > > time. > > > > Harry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> > > To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Date: 02 October 2001 17:34 > > Subject: RE: the AGO > > > > >How melodramatic. > > > > > > > > >Obviously should call myself lucky, that the AGO had accepted me as > > >a member 3 years ago, because I'm such an "amateur". > > > > > >But I'm damned proud of it!! > > > > > >Felix > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:08:13 EDT     The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". We discuss Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished Forum. ----------------------   Wisea**. :-)   AGO =3D American Guild of Organists.   UAW =3D United Auto Workers, a very well-organized union.  
(back) Subject: Re: hello From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:14:32 -0400   Hi Jacob,   Try the Allen Organ Video at $19.95 Complete! a bargain as a fascinating tour of the organ universe; "Howard Goodall's Organ Works" is the title.   (Is there a double-entendre in that title?)   Welcome to the list, you're among friends here.   Some of my best friends are Organists.   with love, Stan   http://www.allenorgan.com/catalog.html   Frogjake@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, I am new to this list. I am interested in organs and keyboards, > particularly novel devices such as the kype (a bizarre keyboard sitar I = saw > on melodicas.com), and I am also interested in learning about things = like the > harmonium, and the potential existence of small, affordable pipe organs. > (very small and very affordable hopefully!!) I am looking to get these = kinds > of things to help me make wussy psychedelic music, where some = organ/keyboard > sounds could really help. As it stands I know very little and will be = very > greatful for any information on any of these topics. I am mostly = interested > in the junk shop organ side of things. Sincerely, Jacob. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:14:39 -0500   YES Stanley - GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!!   The gentleman asked a serious question and if you noticed his email address he is from the UK so he doesn't know what these acronyms stand for. You actually need to go to your room and stand in the corner for awhile for that posting.   David   >Stan, go to your ROOM (grin)! > > > >Stanley Lowkis wrote: > >> The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". >> We discuss Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished Forum. >> >> I will be attending a wedding in farm country later this month. >> If the Subject of organ music should raise it's Ugly Head; I'll >>Report on it. >> >> Cows & Cattle, in general, are generally regarded as 'off topic' >> ...and I'm not giving you a bum steer here. >> >> And I assure you that I have no steak in this. >> >> B.F. Wellington > > yum  
(back) Subject: Re:Amateur From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:03:04 +0800   Let's stop hair splitting and pussyfooting around. Life's too short for petty argument.   A amateur is purely and simply a non professional, in other words he works for the love of the job and not for a living. Ability does not even come into the question. Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Re: hello From: <Frogjake@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:24:14 EDT   Thanks for the info. If I had known more about organs when younger I = might not have quit piano. Bach sounds so much HEAVIER on a pipe organ!  
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:27:43 -0400       Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: > > The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". We = discuss > Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished > Forum. > ---------------------- > > Wisea**. :-) > > AGO =3D American Guild of Organists. > > UAW =3D United Auto Workers, a very well-organized union.   Thank you for that, I get very Confused Sometimes..   ..Where am I?   signed, anonymous   <at least no HTML>