PipeChat Digest #2412 - Wednesday, October 3, 2001
 
Re: the AGO
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: the AGO
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Standards, Unions, and The Guild
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Encyclo. of American Theatre Organ Volume 3
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Classical 33 recordings
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: the AGO
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: the AGO
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: the AGO
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:49:48 -0500     >I love what I do, but I don't do it for nuttin. It's hard work, but >it's the best job in the world. > >Neil Brown >Toms River NJ USA     With all due respect Neil, I must humbly point out your slight (possible) error... ;-)   *I* sorta think *my* job (building magnificent instruments, upon which I get to hear many wonderful performances by all kinds of talented organists) is the "best job in the world"... :-)   Cheers all --   Tim (who's gotta go to bed now. Up early in the AM to help get the newest "baby" presentable for the organist's preliminary practice time)    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:02:34 -0500   I thought Stan's post was funny...   I just wish everyone would EDIT THEIR POSTINGS...<G>   <<PLEEEEEASE...?!?!>>   Tim (Co-Admin, when I have my own comp... ;-) )  
(back) Subject: Standards, Unions, and The Guild From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:08:53 EDT   Dear Pipechatters:   My experience with organ chat lists reveals unequivocally that the = majority of organists are never really willing to face brutal, hard truths when it comes to the catastrophic destruction of the profession, which is real, ongoing, progressive, and despite our good cheer, seemingly unstoppable because we have done nothing to change it. Any attempt at substantive discussions, getting to the ROOT of it all, is met with rage, denial, and = an immediate change of subject. Always.   So from a city of funerals and brutal truths, at my computer a mile north = of a mass grave that still burns after three weeks, I shall post a handful of =   thoughts regarding the AGO, the unity of organ-players, and how standards = are applied.   Nota bene: Standards are meaningless if they are not demanded of us.   Our abilities, qualifications, and well-honed taste mean nothing to an ignorant lemmingswarm of clergy. Yes, some of us DO get to participate in =   congregations with extraordinarily sophisticated and well-financed music programs, but that is rare. And even then, the institutions are fraught = with tense and wearisome politics. It takes only one bitter, unhappy person = with an agenda to start the ball rolling.   We are fundamentally a nation of adamant anti-intellectuals, expressing = great disdain for anything that aspires to class, sophistication, or erudition. =   That sentiment rears its head very, very frequently on organ chat lists, = and is not limited to the popular media. We want to be recognized as Masters = of the King of Instruments, yet laud the electronic substitute, and deride = and insult builders who aspire to quality as "boutique" builders who are "elitists." Many organists taken an elitist attitude in ALL that they do = and say, but that stops when it comes to investing in a decent organ.   When we find thousands of people willing to play at the organ "for the goodness and glory of it," and do it for free or next to nothing, because = it is part of their "calling," we have NO recourse. We're doomed. Likewise, = I ha ve no response to the people I meet at Guild meetings who tell me that = Jesus taught them how to build organs. Those people most often will get the = jobs, the rest of us will not, no matter how good we are.   WHAT ARE WE DOING OR NOT DOING THAT HAS MADE US SO UNAPPRECIATED, and now more than ever, NOT EVEN WANTED??? Since the "outside world" doesn't even =   really acknowledge the existence of organists, why are so many young = people being driven AWAY from WITHIN? And what is it about our behaviours, attitudes, or interpersonal dymanics that makes the clergy's housing allowance twice the amount of our salaries? What makes clergy, of ALL faiths, now decide that banjos and tambourines are more spiritual than the =   organ? And that an organist does not really work? And isn't worth a = living wage?   What are the ritual circumstances and particular events leading up to the parish meeting at which they decide that the second Sunday of each month = is "Explosion of Joy Jamboree Sunday," and one needn't prepare Parry's Great Evening Service in D? We PERCEIVE these to be arbitrary decisions because =   they have "starting dates," but have we been paying attention to the = months of hints leading up to them??????   Before there is a union for organists, there must be UNITY. The ongoing campaigns by certain organists to discredit their colleagues must stop. Likewise with builders, and the crossover between the groups. Organists = must know their limitations, and accept them, especially when they are = glaringly evident. I know that I cannot sing, so I don't. I listen, and enjoy.   We will never, ever, EVER overcome the spectre of the "volunteer" = organist. THEY COST NOTHING, and therefore nothing is EXPECTED of them, and THAT becomes the standard.   On the issue of job action, Guild members continue to be enraged that when =   these matters are taken up by The High Commission on Organist Firings, our =   fearless leaders in the Guild tell us that it is not our RIGHT to know what is going on, and that even if we KNEW the real story (and we should know = BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY, from both parties), we would be incapable of forming appropriate opinions or making intelligent sense of it. We are simply = told NOT to apply for the job, even when it may mean the difference between eviction or a roof over our heads. THAT form of "unionization" is so self-destructive that one only has to look at it for a sober moment to realize how much damage it does, leaving the door open for the amateur, non-Guild, left-footed pianist to take the post PERMANENTLY.   And don't even TRY to discuss these matters openly with your colleagues -- =   you may, like others, get a threating telephone call which implies that = your career is in jeopardy if you continue your quest for the Truth.   Bad news is only truly bad if one learns nothing from it. If one changes nothing, nothing changes. Doing the same things over and over and over, = and each time expecting a different outcome, is the most exhausting way to squander a precious life. Who on this list remembers the great organists' =   strike of 1983? None of us. Because there was none.   Folks, BELIEVE ME, I don't have the answer. And I'm certainly too = neurotic and beleaguered to come up with a coherent one in the coming days or = weeks. But it may be that THIS is what chat lists are for. These are fora for an =   exchange of thoughts, and it may be that this is the time to really take a =   look at our lives, our careers, and how to safeguard the things we = treasure the most, our beloved instrument, and the opportunity to share it with = others.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Encyclo. of American Theatre Organ Volume 3 From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:30:35 EDT     --part1_62.14d86535.28ebfc7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Does anyone know where I might be able to find the 3rd volume completed by =   Preston Kaufman?   Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!   Scott Foppiano   --part1_62.14d86535.28ebfc7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyone know where = I might be able to find the 3rd volume completed by Preston Kaufman? <BR> <BR>Any help will be greatly appreciated. &nbsp;Thanks so much! <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano</FONT></HTML>   --part1_62.14d86535.28ebfc7b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Classical 33 recordings From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:37:03 EDT     --part1_115.58ddb10.28ebfdff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Since Vicki brought it up....   I have a few of my 33-1/3 recordings (all in good condition) that are for sale. If there are any collectors on the list who are interested, the = list may be seen on my web page (URL below) by going to the "Pet Hoomin" and = then to "Records for Sale."   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_115.58ddb10.28ebfdff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Since Vicki brought it = up.... <BR> <BR>I have a few of my 33-1/3 recordings (all in good condition) that are = for sale. &nbsp;&nbsp;If there are any collectors on the list who are = interested, the list may be seen on my web page (URL below) by going to = the "Pet Hoomin" and then to "Records for Sale." <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_115.58ddb10.28ebfdff_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 03:15:17 -0400   FAGO =3D FORMERLY A Good Organist   Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: > > > > The 'AGO' is the acronym for "American Group of Agroninimists". We = discuss > > Serious Farming Issues here, in this Distinguished > > Forum. > > ---------------------- > > > > Wisea**. :-) > > > > AGO =3D American Guild of Organists. > > > > UAW =3D United Auto Workers, a very well-organized union. > > Thank you for that, I get very Confused Sometimes.. > > ..Where am I? > > signed, > anonymous > > <at least no HTML> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 04:51:09 -0400   We're into Broccoli now, and I fear that dreaded "Asparagus Thread" will Surface again.   ....However the Fertilizer available on these lists keeps my plants = growing.   signed, I.P. Daily   {luv, 'veg'}   ( an old cheap dirty joke than an infuriated David may use to throw me off = his list) :)   WHAT THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE WANT??   Some HTML???,   quizzically, Stan   (who's not even going to touch upon Marika's comments)...   "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote: > > FAGO =3D FORMERLY A Good Organist    
(back) Subject: Re: the AGO From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 04:55:00 -0400   Actually, my comment was "just foolin' around".   In all honesty, I believe that all musicians, not just organists are = severely underpaid considering the amount and length of education and training = involved in the musical arts.