PipeChat Digest #2417 - Friday, October 5, 2001
 
IRC Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc.
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc.
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc.
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Organs in Orlando
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Organs in Orlando
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Organs in Orlando
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Organs in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan?
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: After the POE then what?
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Organs in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan?
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Organ lit question
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Organs in Orlando
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ lit question
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: IRC Reminder From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:27:04 -0500   Just a reminder that the PipeChat IRC "chat" group will be meeting tonight as they do every Monday and Friday night beginning at 9:00 PM EASTERN time.   For those that haven't joined before and would like to try it out the information on how to set-up your computer to join is on the PipeChat Web Site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Hope to see many of you there tonight   David  
(back) Subject: Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc. From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:50:36 -0500   Well, I stayed out of this fray until now - I even wrote a post earlier = and deleted it, realizing that the moon was full and tempers were flaring. = But it's Friday, I've got to clean house for a visiting recitalist, I've had a week that ranks right there with the worst of them, and I will burst if I don't pontificate. Just stretch your pinky toward the delete button if = you don't like it.   I know that I sound like I'm taking this personally, but I am trying to = make a point - there are a lot more out there like me. I think in some cases = the cart is before the horse when others suggest that "amateurs" are taking = away jobs from the "professionals", but oh, it's OK to have them around for substitute work.   I have been at this little church for 16 years, plus 8 months before going to law school. There were and are no "professionals" out there to take my place, and none of you would do what I do for $220 a month.   However, without sounding like I'm tooting my own horn, I have raised the congregation's and community's awareness of the repertoire of organ music out there, playing stuff (Bach, Franck, and the like) that none of my "professional" colleagues at the other churches in town would or probably could play, and instilling the need in the church for a larger stipend in the eventuality that I should actually have a successor. The measly = stipend has been raised from $10 a service to $220 money, and goes up every year = in this struggling church. In addition, we raise money to have a tiny = recital series to cultivate the area's interest in the organ and classical music = in this culturally deprived black hole.   If I left, this church would not pay a "professional" to come in and do = the job; it would subsist without until the music program withered away. The same is true all over. One has to start somewhere in order to create a = job market for the "professionals", and many times it is left to the amateurs = to do that. One has to be an amateur first in order to become a good professional. Many of your jobs out there were initially funded by amateurs/music lovers who dreamed and put their money and talents where their mouth was.   The AGO has a lot of lofty and worthwhile goals to improve the lot of organists. But the AGO is spread pretty thin for accomplishing them, and = is only as good as the individuals who comprise its membership. In my experience as past subdean and dean, I have found that for every three members or nonmembers sitting around complaining and/or playing = tiddlywinks, there is one out there trying to make a difference and attempting to = realize those goals.   "Without a vision the people perish." Maybe if you don't like your AGO, = or your president, or your Congress, or anything else, you can start your own army (beginning with one - yourself) to make it better. You can't do that by sitting around and complaining about how the members didn't make you = feel welcome, or that they're snobs, or they spend all their time doing = something you don't want to do. Hell, if I had had that attitude, I wouldn't have made it past the first AGO meeting myself. Only two members even talked = to me.   Instead of worrying about the amateurs taking away your jobs, why don't = you fall down on your knees and thank God for the ones that had the foresight = to create a job for you. I do, and am happy whenever I hear amateurs pulling out that hard music and doing it just like the big boys/girls.   Sorry for my extreme take on the posts regarding this subject. It's been = a really bad week, and this strain just did not die out in time before I = could resist temptation and prevent myself from weighing in. I had to take it = out on someone - the governor wouldn't see me. Maybe it was the loaded = pistol.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc. From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:58:18 -0400   Dear Glenda, It is unfortunately true that amateurs are the entry point into = church music. I remember working hard to master Bach in the early sixties and finding out that I could not survive on a church organist salary, marry, raise a family and send my kids to college. I remember my music teacher telling me that after I made my first million, I would be back. Well I didn;t make a million but joined the Air Force and became an aero = engineer. I am retired now and do what ever I can to support the AGO and especially the young who need encouragement. I pick up the AGO tabs for many of them = so that they can get the magazine and attend the meetings, associating with = the professionals. I know that if I had stuck with it, I might make the grade as a" professional" and now that I have more time on my hands, realize that = there was talent there.I also do not regret that I did not follow the music path for many reasons I won't list here. I think that, as with other organizations, one apple spoils the entire barrel and will not allow those individuals to spoil my enjoyment of the rest of the crew. I think that = most AGO members do not categorize themselves but I, as an amateur, can see the more talented versus those that struggle. I also feel that those who are more talented also do not look at themselves as "better" than the rest except for the one or two "apples". Most are fine underpaid musicians who have a deep love of music and a profound relationship with their God. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc.     > Well, I stayed out of this fray until now - I even wrote a post earlier and > deleted it, realizing that the moon was full and tempers were flaring. But > it's Friday, I've got to clean house for a visiting recitalist, I've had = a > week that ranks right there with the worst of them, and I will burst if = I > don't pontificate. Just stretch your pinky toward the delete button if you > don't like it. > > I know that I sound like I'm taking this personally, but I am trying to make > a point - there are a lot more out there like me. I think in some cases the > cart is before the horse when others suggest that "amateurs" are taking away > jobs from the "professionals", but oh, it's OK to have them around for > substitute work. > > I have been at this little church for 16 years, plus 8 months before = going > to law school. There were and are no "professionals" out there to take = my > place, and none of you would do what I do for $220 a month. > > However, without sounding like I'm tooting my own horn, I have raised = the > congregation's and community's awareness of the repertoire of organ = music > out there, playing stuff (Bach, Franck, and the like) that none of my > "professional" colleagues at the other churches in town would or = probably > could play, and instilling the need in the church for a larger stipend = in > the eventuality that I should actually have a successor. The measly stipend > has been raised from $10 a service to $220 money, and goes up every year in > this struggling church. In addition, we raise money to have a tiny recital > series to cultivate the area's interest in the organ and classical music in > this culturally deprived black hole. > > If I left, this church would not pay a "professional" to come in and do the > job; it would subsist without until the music program withered away. = The > same is true all over. One has to start somewhere in order to create a job > market for the "professionals", and many times it is left to the = amateurs to > do that. One has to be an amateur first in order to become a good > professional. Many of your jobs out there were initially funded by > amateurs/music lovers who dreamed and put their money and talents where > their mouth was. > > The AGO has a lot of lofty and worthwhile goals to improve the lot of > organists. But the AGO is spread pretty thin for accomplishing them, = and is > only as good as the individuals who comprise its membership. In my > experience as past subdean and dean, I have found that for every three > members or nonmembers sitting around complaining and/or playing tiddlywinks, > there is one out there trying to make a difference and attempting to realize > those goals. > > "Without a vision the people perish." Maybe if you don't like your AGO, or > your president, or your Congress, or anything else, you can start your = own > army (beginning with one - yourself) to make it better. You can't do = that > by sitting around and complaining about how the members didn't make you feel > welcome, or that they're snobs, or they spend all their time doing something > you don't want to do. Hell, if I had had that attitude, I wouldn't have > made it past the first AGO meeting myself. Only two members even talked to > me. > > Instead of worrying about the amateurs taking away your jobs, why don't you > fall down on your knees and thank God for the ones that had the = foresight to > create a job for you. I do, and am happy whenever I hear amateurs = pulling > out that hard music and doing it just like the big boys/girls. > > Sorry for my extreme take on the posts regarding this subject. It's = been a > really bad week, and this strain just did not die out in time before I could > resist temptation and prevent myself from weighing in. I had to take it out > on someone - the governor wouldn't see me. Maybe it was the loaded pistol. > > Glenda Sutton > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO, amateurs, credentials, etc. From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:52:07 EDT     --part1_fd.d2574ab.28ef3127_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Glenda writes:   > Sorry for my extreme take   No need to apologize. And your take is not extreme. Whether full-time, part-time, volunteer, or volunteered, we are all church musicians (or = temple or synagogue).   I used to take a more active role in our local AGO chapter, but I cannot = do so anymore, because the demands of my job at the church where I'm employed =   take up too much time. But, one of the joys of my position, is that I can =   have some measure of influence on church music in our area -- perhaps even = in our state.   There are people who work at McDonald's, and there are people who work at Mama Leone's, and people work in places in between. Are the McDonald's employees serving anything less than food, just because they are not at = Mama Leone's? Regardless, their efforts and creations basically end up in the same place (grin). (I'm purposefully not carrying this argument very = far.)   The efforts of church musicians, however, have eternal effects and = lasting benefits for our listeners and ourselves. As long as we are doing our = very best with the resources we have been given, I believe God is pleased.   Neil Brown Toms River, NJ USA     --part1_fd.d2574ab.28ef3127_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Glenda writes: <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sorry for my = extreme take </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>No need to apologize. &nbsp;And your take is not extreme. = &nbsp;Whether full-time, part-time, volunteer, or volunteered, we are all = church musicians (or temple or synagogue). &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I used to take a more active role in our local AGO chapter, but I = cannot do so anymore, because the demands of my job at the church where = I'm employed take up too much time. &nbsp;But, one of the joys of my = position, is that I can have some measure of influence on church music in = our area -- perhaps even in our state. <BR> <BR>There are people who work at McDonald's, and there are people who work = at Mama Leone's, and people work in places in between. &nbsp;Are the = McDonald's employees serving anything less than food, just because they = are not at Mama Leone's? &nbsp;Regardless, their efforts and creations = basically end up in the same place (grin). &nbsp;(I'm purposefully not = carrying this argument very far.) <BR> <BR>The efforts of &nbsp;church musicians, however, have eternal effects = and lasting benefits for our listeners and ourselves. &nbsp;&nbsp;As long = as we are doing our very best with the resources we have been given, I = believe God is pleased. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Toms River, NJ USA <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_fd.d2574ab.28ef3127_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Organs in Orlando From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:07:11 EDT     --part1_91.116172f1.28efa52f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear List- I will be in Orlando Saturday through Wednesday for the National Funeral Directors Association convention. Are there any instruments worth taking = the time to see while I'm there? I'm not insterested in seeing any = neo-baroque tracker action squeak boxes. I'm thinking more along the lines of = Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, etc....what I grew up playing, what I enjoy listening to, =   and what I prefer to play. I don't mean to offend any tracker backers, = I'm just stating the facts.   Thanks in advance for any info.   Monty Bennett   --part1_91.116172f1.28efa52f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear List- <BR>I will be in Orlando Saturday through Wednesday for the National = Funeral Directors Association convention. &nbsp;Are there any instruments = worth taking the time to see while I'm there? &nbsp;I'm not insterested in = seeing any neo-baroque tracker action squeak boxes. &nbsp;I'm thinking = more along the lines of Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, etc....what I grew up = playing, what I enjoy listening to, and what I prefer to play. &nbsp;I = don't mean to offend any tracker backers, I'm just stating the facts. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Thanks in advance for any info. <BR> <BR>Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_91.116172f1.28efa52f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Orlando From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:38:33 -0700     --------------7ED1D9EAA93BB40F5D72ED14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The big Pilcher/Tellers/??? in the Cathedral Church of St. Luke (Episcopal) ... the building alone is worth seeing; I haven't heard the organ since it was moved to the west gallery and rebuilt, but I understand it's "gooshy" (grin).   I'm telling my age, but I used to play the Cathedral organ for youth services when it was JUST Pilcher, in the front ... the pipe-loft was above the north aisle, and the console was perched in a little swallow's-nest between the back of the south choir stalls and the Lady Chapel in the north aisle.   Isn't there a big Aeolian Skinner in All Saints' Episcopal Church, Winter Park (suburb)?   Then then's Catharine Crozier's pet Aeolian Skinner in the Rollins College chapel.   I wish you could get down to St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Winter Haven (about sixty miles south) to hear the three-manual Harrison that replaced THEIR three-manual Aeolian Skinner when the church burned. I've heard good things about it, but I've not heard it. I was organist there when I was in high school.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach-on-the-LEFT-Coast-Now   RMB10@aol.com wrote:   > Dear List- > I will be in Orlando Saturday through Wednesday for the National > Funeral Directors Association convention. Are there any instruments > worth taking the time to see while I'm there? I'm not insterested in > seeing any neo-baroque tracker action squeak boxes. I'm thinking more > along the lines of Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, etc....what I grew up > playing, what I enjoy listening to, and what I prefer to play. I > don't mean to offend any tracker backers, I'm just stating the facts. > > Thanks in advance for any info. > > Monty Bennett   --------------7ED1D9EAA93BB40F5D72ED14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> The big Pilcher/Tellers/??? in the Cathedral Church of St. Luke = (Episcopal) .... the building alone is worth seeing; I haven't heard the organ since it was moved to the west gallery and rebuilt, but I understand it's = "gooshy" (grin). <p>I'm telling my age, but I used to play the Cathedral organ for youth services when it was JUST Pilcher, in the front ... the pipe-loft was = above the north aisle, and the console was perched in a little swallow's-nest between the back of the south choir stalls and the Lady Chapel in the = north aisle. <p>Isn't there a big Aeolian Skinner in All Saints' Episcopal Church, = Winter Park (suburb)? <p>Then then's Catharine Crozier's pet Aeolian Skinner in the Rollins = College chapel. <p>I wish you could get down to St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Winter Haven (about sixty miles south) to hear the three-manual Harrison that replaced THEIR three-manual Aeolian Skinner when the church burned. I've heard good things about it, but I've not heard it. I was organist there when I was in high school. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-by-the-Beach-on-the-LEFT-Coast-Now <p>RMB10@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>Dear List-</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I will be in Orlando = Saturday through Wednesday for the National Funeral Directors Association = convention.&nbsp; Are there any instruments worth taking the time to see while I'm = there?&nbsp; I'm not insterested in seeing any neo-baroque tracker action squeak = boxes.&nbsp; I'm thinking more along the lines of Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, etc....what I grew up playing, what I enjoy listening to, and what I prefer to = play.&nbsp; I don't mean to offend any tracker backers, I'm just stating the = facts.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Thanks in advance for = any info.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Monty = Bennett</font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------7ED1D9EAA93BB40F5D72ED14--    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Orlando From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:22:43 -0400   At 05:38 PM 05/10/2001 -0700, Bud wrote:   >Isn't there a big Aeolian Skinner in All Saints' Episcopal Church, Winter =   >Park (suburb)? > >Then then's Catharine Crozier's pet Aeolian Skinner in the Rollins = College >chapel.       >(Snip) It would be worth checking the archives; I seem to recollect that the Rollins College A-S has fallen on hard times and another in an Episcopal Church has been severely compromised by some local organ butchers. Seems to me there is a huge Ruffati in a Lutheran Church. I have no idea = if it has anything of any redeeming quality in it.   HD    
(back) Subject: Organs in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan? From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:27:16 -0400   Hi all,   I will be in Ann Arbor on business for a week starting October 8. I understand that the State theater has an organ, what others are in the = area?   Also, it would be nice if I could find an instrument to practice on while = I am there. I will be arrive there Monday and returning on Saturday, and I = will have a car while I am there.   If there are any concerts in the area during that time, that would be = great. Thanks in advance,   TommyLee Whitlock Reston, VA      
(back) Subject: Re: After the POE then what? From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:37:30 EDT     --part1_cf.ca68122.28efba5a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello RonSeverin@aol.com,   In reference to your comment:   I'm just dropping a hint! If the list were by city and state, it would facilitate getting teacher and student together.   -------------------- Ron - even easier, if a young (or not so young) person is interested in = organ lessons, they can post to this list and receive private replies.     Just out of curiosity, has anyone on this list done so, and what responses =   did you get?     Vicki   --part1_cf.ca68122.28efba5a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica>Hello RonSeverin@aol.com, <BR> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" SIZE=3D3>In reference to your comment: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#808080" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I'm just dropping a hint! If <BR>the list were by city and state, it would facilitate getting <BR>teacher and student together.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>-------------------- <BR>Ron - even easier, if a young (or not so young) person is interested = in organ lessons, they can post to this list and receive private replies. <BR> <BR> <BR>Just out of curiosity, has anyone on this list done so, and what = responses did you get? <BR> <BR> <BR>Vicki</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cf.ca68122.28efba5a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan? From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:40:12 -0500   Tommy lee   Check the University of Michigan web site for the School of Music - who knows they might have some concerts during the time you are there.   Also, check to see if the AGO Chapter in that area has a web site - some Chapters list programs by their members   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ lit question From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:58:01 EDT   Hello RonSeverin@aol.com,   In reference to your comment:   www.burntco.com Hi Vicky: I'm looking for the clearance centrer but = the URL doesn't work! :) Ron   -------   That's because I got my fingers tangled:   www.burtnco.com   Vicki    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Orlando From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:31:16 EDT     --part1_3b.1b4e6e03.28efd504_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/5/01 8:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMB10@aol.com =   writes:     > I'm not insterested in seeing any neo-baroque tracker action squeak = boxes. > I'm thinking more along the lines of Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, = etc....what > I grew up playing, what I enjoy listening to, and what I prefer to play. = I > don't mean to offend any tracker backers, I'm just stating the facts. > Not to question your choice of words, or cast aspersions on your good manners, but "tracker action squeak boxes," does not endear you to anyone!   The AEolian-Skinner at First Methodist Church should be a wonderful organ = to hear. The room is beautiful and the organ was very exciting when I heard = it. There is a Trompette en Chamade waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay upon in a = far gallery that can never be accused of timidity. If you only see this organ =   you're trip has been worth it. This is a Skinner from the tail end of the =   good old days!   Winter Park is close by and has two more wonderful Skinners. One at = Rollins College which is, according to reports, presently neglected. This is = where Catherine Crozier used to be! Also, All Saints Episcopal Church has a = more "realistic" sized 3m Skinner which is nice, in spite of the "ordinary" = room.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_3b.1b4e6e03.28efd504_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/5/01 8:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMB10@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not = insterested in seeing any neo-baroque tracker action squeak boxes. = &nbsp;I'm thinking more along the lines of Skinner, Kimball, Kilgen, = etc....what I grew up playing, what I enjoy listening to, and what I = prefer to play. &nbsp;I don't mean to offend any tracker backers, I'm just = stating the facts. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Not to question your choice of words, or cast = aspersions on your good manners, but "tracker action squeak boxes," does = not endear you to anyone! <BR> <BR>The AEolian-Skinner at First Methodist Church should be a wonderful = organ to hear. &nbsp;The room is beautiful and the organ was very exciting = when I heard it. &nbsp;There is a Trompette en Chamade = waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay upon in a far gallery that can never be = accused of timidity. &nbsp;If you only see this organ you're trip has been = worth it. &nbsp;This is a Skinner from the tail end of the good old days! <BR> <BR>Winter &nbsp;Park is close by and has two more wonderful Skinners. = &nbsp;One at Rollins College which is, according to reports, presently = neglected. &nbsp;&nbsp;This is where Catherine Crozier used to be! = &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, All Saints Episcopal Church has a more "realistic" sized = 3m Skinner which is nice, in spite of the "ordinary" room. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_3b.1b4e6e03.28efd504_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ lit question From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:01:16 EDT     --part1_119.5b461b8.28efdc0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/5/2001 6:58:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     www.burtnco.com     Thanks! It worked this time, I'm on my way to being a pauper! Ron   --part1_119.5b461b8.28efdc0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica>In a message dated 10/5/2001 6:58:49 PM = Pacific Daylight Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR>www.burtnco.com <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Thanks! It worked this time, I'm on my way to being a pauper! <BR>Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_119.5b461b8.28efdc0c_boundary--