PipeChat Digest #2425 - Tuesday, October 9, 2001 Re: AGO consoles by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Music on Tape by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <email@example.com Live vs. tape by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organ Crawl by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <email@example.com> Re: AGO consoles by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Music on Tape (Too Long) by <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Re: Used consoles free by "Paul Valtos" <email@example.com> RE: Ago vs. non-AGO pedalboards by "Bob Richardson" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: AGO, ametuers, Credentials, Etc. by "Mike Swaldo" <cv_43@OMALP1.OMERESA.NET> AGO Choir Master by "Mike Swaldo" <cv_43@OMALP1.OMERESA.NET> Patriotic Last Verses for Organ by "noel jones" <email@example.com> Music on Tape (almost) by "rfziegler" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Amateur vs. Professional by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <email@example.com> Help, salary/job descriptions/etc. by "John Haskey" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Langlais' last Improvs on CD by "William T. Van Pelt" <email@example.com> Re: Felix's performances by <Cremona502@cs.com> Re: Amateur vs. Professional by "Melisma" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Frans van Tilburg organ music by "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <email@example.com> Help, salaries/job description by "John Haskey" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Need help with organ/orchestra or brass for Christmas by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: AGO consoles From: "Glenda" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:56:46 -0500 Wow, Bud, I'm so impressed that a small town in Florida would have had 6 organs, even in your day! All pipe organs? Hope springs eternal for the day when there will be more than one pipe = organ in my town, Glenda Sutton ----- Original Message ----- From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > I grew up on (1) straight flat 25 note pedalboard, (2) flat radiating 27 > note pedalboard, (3) slightly concave radiating 30-note pedalboard, (4) > 49 note manual compass, (5) 56 note manual compass, (6) 58 note manual > compass ... and that was just in one little town in rural Florida > (grin).
(back) Subject: Re: Music on Tape From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:59:30 -0400 As a liturgist, I am not at all shocked by this kind of happening. = However, it is at least in poor taste and in reality poor liturgical practice. Music is not entertainment(saying that here is like preaching to the = choir) The Liturgy is the work of the people, and I dont see much work going on = in that church!!! However, to be more constructive, I suspect that much of this sort of = thing occurs as a result of a lack of education. Im sure that we have all found = that besides music, we all do a fair amount of adult ed in our parishes. Perhaps we should make a real effort to yearly have a evening or two where = we talk about these things with the powers that be and keep before them a vision of what is truly worship. Off soap box Craig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
(back) Subject: Live vs. tape From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:50:44 -0400 I had an experience last spring at a retreat center where I was playing a service with a very good soloist. With two professional musicians hired = to provide the music, the postlude was a CCM tape of "Now the Day is Over". = I protested this before the service began, but we did the service and I resigned immediately afterwards from doing any more organ for them unless they ceased this practice which the "music team" had previously decided upon. Judy Ollikkala
(back) Subject: Organ Crawl From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:50:45 -0400 This is the itinerary for the 21st annual Columbus Day Fall Crawl yesterday, sponsored by the Worcester MA AGO. I was Chair, with 75 people registered and two busses. We had a great day. I will provide more details if wished later on. Judy Ollikkala 8:10am -- Holy Name of Jesus RC, Illinois St. Worcester MA, M. P. = Moller 1917 Opus 2157 3M. reconstructed and rededicated 2001 by Timothy Edward Smith of Nobscot Organ Company who demonstrated it. Morning snacks. 10:20am -- First Church of Christ, Scientist, Providence RI, Hutchings-Votey 1907 Opus 1637 3M. 39 R., restored by A. Thompson-Allen. Demo. by Peter Krasinski. 11:20am -- Brown University, Sayles Hall, Providence, Hutchings-Votey 1902 Opus 1480, 3M. 55 R., 60 stops, the largest remaining Hutchings concert hall organ in the world. Demo. by Dr. Mark Steinbach. 12:20pm -- Lunch at Sharpe Refectory, Brown University 2pm -- Providence College, Providence, St. Dominic's Chapel, Holtkamp Organ Company 3M. dedicated April 2001, featured on the cover of the September TAO. Demo. by Debra LeBrun, Sub-Dean of Worcester Chapter AGO. 3pm -- Blessed Sacrament RC, Providence, Aeolian-Skinner 1968 installed 1970, Opus 1507, 3M. 34R. contains 1904 Austin pipework, in a church designed, built, and decorated by the LaFarge family. Demo. by Pierre Masse 4:30pm -- St. Matthew's RC, Rt. 122 Lonsdale Ave. Central Falls RI -- Casavant-Freres 1925 Opus 1106 former residence organ, now with Aeolian-Skinner 3 M. console in large elegant church. Demo. by Peter LaMoria. Afternoon snacks. Lv. for Worcester by 6pm.
(back) Subject: Re: AGO consoles From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:34:20 -0700 Glenda wrote: > Wow, Bud, I'm so impressed that a small town in Florida would have had 6 > organs, even in your day! All pipe organs? All except a 2m and pedal Estey reed organ. > Hope springs eternal for the day when there will be more than one pipe = organ > in my town, > > Glenda Sutton > A couple of points: all of them were built BEFORE even the Hammond became generally available. The ONLY alternative was a reed organ, or a piano. = Second, they were also all built before the personal income tax became law (grin). = To their credit, the churches whose organs needed work in recent years have = all either rebuilt their old pipe organs, or gotten new ones. To my knowledge, = none has gotten an electronic. Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: Re: Music on Tape (Too Long) From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:28:16 EDT Greetings, This type of thing may become more and more prevalent in coming days. As = a case in point, the entire hymnal of several denominations is now available = on CD with a programmable player to allow selection of how many verses will = be used. Going price is below 12-hundred dollars for the entire package in = most cases. Most of the choral music publishers have recorded accompaniment = discs available for a huge amount of their library. Each month I receive five = to six packages from publishers, all with an audition CD and virtually every = one of them hawking an optional accompaniment prerecorded. It has been my observation that publishers are beginning to push heavily their accompaniment discs as another source of revenue. These sales = pitches are not being directed solely at the music director. They are being sent under separate cover to pastors, finance committee chairpersons, trustees, = and the like. Thus a foundation based on cost is being laid with the = money counters of many churches. The idea, IMHO, is to build a consensus that quarter-million dollar-plus organs are not wise stewardship and live musicians are a needless luxury = when an affordable alternative is available at a fraction of the cost. Albeit subtle, the campaign has already been initiated and can be expected to = have some impact. It is my observation that the biggest inroads will be with medium-sized to = smaller churches of a more evangelical bent. This is a logical thrust in that there are more of them than larger liturgical settings. While I am = no prophet on this nor any other subject, it is illogical to think that these = panderers of canned music would have laid out the cost of production with = no intentions of eventually marketing their wares. To play into this scenario, visit your local Christian book store and see = how many CD's are available with Prazzzzeee Band settings. Plus, all of the really <hot> contemporary Christian releases come with accompaniment = tracks, in low, medium, and high voice keys. Traditional liturgical compositions = can now be obtained with accompaniment tracks and more can be expected. There will be forever those who will not compromise by lowering their standards to canned music programs. There will be others, and I think = many of them, who will compromise in the interest of cost, both initial and long-term. The supporting argument for my surmise are the compromises already seen in the worship setting within many mainstream denominations. = I certainly do not like this trend but it is gaining ground daily within = many churches. As younger people move to the forefront of church leadership, I = fear the trend will take on added momentum as they will be influenced by their musical culture. Also remember that the clergy of the future will = come from this same culture. This observation is not without its detractors. There are those among us = who find this type of approach heretical and it may be. Just a decade ago I would have argued that radio stations without announcing staff would be unthinkable if not impossible. Now more than a third of commercial AM/FM stations have no full time staff announcers. Their product is outsourced = for voice tracking. It is not inconceivable that church music programs may eventually follow the same path. What a sad day that will be. Best wishes, Jim Pitts
(back) Subject: Re: Used consoles free From: "Paul Valtos" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:44:54 -0400 Dear Blaine, I have a custom IV which is now sitting in my living room. It is an analog transistor which needs a bit of work but otherwise fits my needs except that it is not very symphonic. I also have a COntinental Carousel = up in the barn which did reside in my living room. If you remember this = console had the modernistic flying wing type of console assumedly to compete with the Hammond X-66 and X-77. Anyway, the console manuals on this organ have = no cheeks with the manuals set into the sides of the organ. I would like to = add the solo manual of the Carousel to the Cusom IV as the top manual of three and piggy back the lower acompaniment manual behind the great keying arms. The strings and the orchestral flute of the carousel were really fine sounding stops as well as the diapason. Evidently a lot of research was = done to make these stops as authentic as possible. It even has a Vox Humana. There is a chorus tuning mechanism which can turn the organ from a modern (at that time) theatre organ into a church organ.So that is why I need two manual cheeks. I would be interested in two of the medium blond cheeks and I will pay for the labor and UPS for them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Ricketts" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "PipeChat" <email@example.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Used consoles free > Hi Paul, > > Yes, I can do that. I think I have two manuals with Walnut cheeks from > a vintage with the removable plastic front keys MOS I. I think I also > have two cheeks from a Theatre Deluxe analog organ where the wood used > is a kind of medium blonde color. Which one might be best? Where do > you live? I'm not sure what to charge you other than labor to pack and > ship them. What happened to the cheeks on your keyboards? > > Blaine Ricketts > > Paul Valtos wrote: > > > > Dear Blaine, > > Would you be interested in selling the manual cheeks from one of the > > Allen consoles.That's the piece of wood right next to low an high C. = If you > > do, let me know what you want for them. > > Paul > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >
(back) Subject: RE: Ago vs. non-AGO pedalboards From: "Bob Richardson" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Well, I learn something every day. :-) What I _really_ meant when I said the organ had to be "AGO" is that I didn't want an instrument with 25 flat pedals. A console 30 or 32 concave (radiating or not) pedals will do just fine. I just don't want to run out of pedals in the middle of a performance and have to run out and buy some more. ;-) Bob Richardson
(back) Subject: RE: AGO, ametuers, Credentials, Etc. From: "Mike Swaldo" <cv_43@OMALP1.OMERESA.NET> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:40:54 +0100 Craig and All, >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From PipeChat <firstname.lastname@example.org> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Another quick question. Having recently recieved my doctorate(and cool = gown >and hood), I was interested in what the offical regalia is for AGO certs. = I >would suspect they are somewhat distinctive. I would assume that at the FAGO level, you wear Ph. D. garb, at AAGO it's Master's garb, and CAGO a Bachelors? Best wishes, Mike Michael L. Swaldo Conotton Valley Schools CV_43@omalp1.omeresa.net
(back) Subject: AGO Choir Master From: "Mike Swaldo" <cv_43@OMALP1.OMERESA.NET> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:42:45 +0100 Hi, Anyone here ever get the choir master certificate? How much is involved? Thanks, Mike Michael L. Swaldo Conotton Valley Schools CV_43@omalp1.omeresa.net
(back) Subject: Patriotic Last Verses for Organ From: "noel jones" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:12:14 -0400 Friends: The church that I play at tends to enjoy free harmonizations on last verses occasionally. The response to my offer to send verses based on America, the Beautiful and My Country, =91Tis of Thee has resulted in the creation of a set, including these two and adding: The Star Spangled Banner God of Our Fathers [All verses, rising in pitch] The Battle Hymn of the Republic Eternal Father, Strong to Save These are written for organ, though the pianist at church and I both play from them. Eventually these will be offered for sale on our web site, but for now there is no charge for them. We would enjoy sharing them with you. =20 To request them please go to www.frogmusic.com and click on Free Music. =20 Please note, these are free and you only need to submit your email address, name and location to receive them. You will not be added to our mailing list nor will we share your address, name or location with an= yone. =3D noel jones, aago firstname.lastname@example.org web site: www.frogmusic.com Home of: Frog Music Press Roland Harpsichord Group Rodgers Organ Users Group
(back) Subject: Music on Tape (almost) From: "rfziegler" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:33:32 -0700 The music minister, a nun, was going away for a weekend for a meeting of = her order. There have been occasions when I've been asked to play for a particular service. My only problem is I play by ear but that's another story for another time. This time they didn't ask me (and I wasn't complaining either; I'm a saloon organists, not a church organists ;) = Anyway we have a Technics keyboard that was donated and they decided to have a virtual "Sister Lucy". She recorded everything ahead of time and the = husband of one the choir members hit the start button when it was needed. They've only done that when they couldn't get anyone else. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, it just fit the situation at the time. Peace, -- Bob Ziegler firstname.lastname@example.org AIM: zieglerbob99 Yahoo: zieglerbob Playing in the key of "off" in beautiful downtown Sauk Village, Illinois
(back) Subject: Amateur vs. Professional From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:36:30 -0400 For all you "amateurs" who feel a bit "down on yourselves" at times, just remember.... The Ark was built by an amateur, the Titanic, by professionals!! -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************
(back) Subject: Help, salary/job descriptions/etc. From: "John Haskey" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Please Help! Our church is in trouble and I need to make a presentation tomorrow evening to the church council on what a real music program is. I am not an organist but our church is populated by those who think that the 'ministry of music' is just a gift of those who choose to serve. I want to propose that we create a 'proper music program' with a Minister of Music position, job description, and salary that is in keeping with AGO guidelines. I'm looking for material that I can quote and provide as an example. I'd be interested in any and all information that you can provide. We have a paid organist position but the salary is quite low (and people complain already that it is too high). I want to make a case that we're either serious about music or we're not. And in a Lutheran congregation we should be serious about music. I tried searching the archives but found nothing of recent posts? ---john. ps. Private replies are fine, If you don't want to name your organization could you at least mention what part of the country you are in if you mention salary info? I can do calculations to get equivalents in our area.
(back) Subject: Langlais' last Improvs on CD From: "William T. Van Pelt" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:03:35 -0400 In 1986 and 1987, Jean Langlais (1907-1991) played for the last times at Ste-Clotilde in Paris. These events are now available on a CD imported by OHS and orderable at http://www.ohscatalog.org The occasions at which he played included the wedding of Austrian composer Thomas Daniel-Schlee at which Olivier Messiaen and Yvonne Loriod were present in May, 1986, and three events in November, 1986, and January, = 1987, in anticipation of his 80th birthday. He is said to have given up public performance in 1987. These events were professionally recorded and the CD comprises Langlais' improvisations on Gregorian themes. Bill
(back) Subject: Re: Felix's performances From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:15:36 EDT --part1_12f.5b85849.28f4c2f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/01 8:40:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > He got a double first at Cambridge in Mathematics and Medicine, and now = he > is a distinguished Professor of Medicine. Alas, he hardly even plays = the > I went to school with a chap like that. He was taking a double major in English and Pre-Med, and taking organ because it gave him an outlet for = being mean!! He had a photographic memory and could sight-read from memory!! = amazing.... Used to go into practice rooms while someone was practicing = one of "his" many pieces in the next room, and play along with them, only = about a beat behind and a step higher. He was told that if he stayed in music and wanted to play in churches that = he would have to work on his "people skills". He is now working with the = only people who would not be bothered by his personality. He is a = pathologist!! ;-) Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi --part1_12f.5b85849.28f4c2f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/8/01 8:40:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@example.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">He got a double = first at Cambridge in Mathematics and Medicine, and now he is a = distinguished Professor of Medicine. Alas, he hardly even plays the = organ any more.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I went to school with a chap like that. He was taking a double = major in English and Pre-Med, and taking organ because it gave him an = outlet for being mean!! He had a photographic memory and could = sight-read from memory!! amazing.... Used to go = into practice rooms while someone was practicing one of "his" many pieces = in the next room, and play along with them, only about a beat behind and a = step higher. <BR> <BR>He was told that if he stayed in music and wanted to play in churches = that he would have to work on his "people skills". He is now = working with the only people who would not be bothered by his personality. = He is a pathologist!! ;-) <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML> --part1_12f.5b85849.28f4c2f8_boundary--
(back) Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Professional From: "Melisma" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:18:49 -0700 At 03:36 PM 09/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >For all you "amateurs" who feel a bit "down on yourselves" at times, >just remember.... > >The Ark was built by an amateur, the Titanic, by professionals!! LOL, Marika, good point! Melisma (grinning under her Rock, having been both in her church music career...) Visit my Rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html NOW ANNOUNCING: Parallel Hearts, a new fanfic/discussion list for Imzadi (Will Riker/Deanna Troi, TNG) and Harmon Rabb Jr./Sarah (Mac) MacKenzie (JAG) shippers. Sign up at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Parallel_Hearts today!
(back) Subject: Frans van Tilburg organ music From: "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:49:43 -0700 Hello, Lists I am currently in search for organ music from Frans van Tilburg, in particular some of his Advent and Christmas improvisations if they are published. Please contact me if you know of any leads that may help. Appreciatively Jan S. Van Der Stad
(back) Subject: Help, salaries/job description From: "John Haskey" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:50:56 -0700 (PDT) In private email I received: > I think most of this info is in the AGO guidelines at the AGO web > site. Thanks, I downloaded this information. I would also be interested in anecdotal (sp?) experiences. How prevalent is the adoption of the AGO guidelines? ---john.
(back) Subject: Need help with organ/orchestra or brass for Christmas From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:55:18 EDT --part1_bd.153d20c6.28f4cc46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Y'all! Today in planning for our "Many Moods of Christmas" concert, the = suggestion was made that we feature a piece for organ and orchestra. I drew a blank. = I can't remember any Christmas repertoire for that combination. If anyone knows of a good piece, please respond. Maybe we'll have to = settle for organ and full brass (including French Horns) with percussion, but at this point, I can't really think of anything with that combination. So . . . I guess, I'm once again hollerin' HELP!' And as always, thanks! Yours, Darryl by the Sea Fort Lauderdale, FL --part1_bd.153d20c6.28f4cc46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#8000ff" SIZE=3D2>Hi, = Y'all! <BR> <BR>Today in planning for our "Many Moods of Christmas" concert, the = suggestion was made that we feature a piece for organ and orchestra. I = drew a blank. I can't remember any Christmas repertoire for that = combination. <BR> <BR>If anyone knows of a good piece, please respond. Maybe we'll have to = settle for organ and full brass (including French Horns) with percussion, = but at this point, I can't really think of anything with that combination. <BR> <BR>So . . . I guess, I'm once again hollerin' HELP!' <BR> <BR>And as always, thanks! <BR> <BR>Yours, <BR> <BR>Darryl by the Sea <BR>Fort Lauderdale, FL</FONT></HTML> --part1_bd.153d20c6.28f4cc46_boundary--