PipeChat Digest #2445 - Tuesday, October 23, 2001
 
Re:  organists as church members
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
RE: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad?
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:36:22 EDT   Over the years I have been in both situations and being a nonmember = organist is the most desirable, IMHO. I offer professional services for an agreed-upon stipend. And as a professional, I require that the duties = that I perform for that stipend be clearly defined prior to accepting the job. = As a professional staff member I am not precluded from being cordial with the membership and other staff personnel, nor am I excluded from decisions = where my knowledge and expertise is contributory. But the politics within the church is more easily avoided as a member of the professional staff than being "one of the Brothers," so to speak. I have steadfastly refused to engage in the faction wars which seem to exist in most churches and my abstinence is much easier as a staff Hired Gun than as a member where alignment is less avoidable.   This is my experience after forty-four years on the bench. I am confident =   that others will have equally pleasant experiences where membership and = staff positions are/were united. Now happily retired, it is no longer an issue = of consequence for me.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT)   --0-194024145-1003805005=3D:30334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     I agree with everyone's comments. You will be much happier if you keep = your church positions strictly professional. I do think there is a happy = ground where you can become an insider without being a member, and that = has worked well for me, but only outside my own denomination. I can't seem = to dis- associate myself within my own denomination and it means that I am = either heaven or hell, and neither one is for the best when it is your = job. Right now I am in heaven. It is the perfect church for me, I am = respected, taken care of, and I have been able to help some things to = happen that are very special for all of us. But this is only the 2nd job = in my own denomination in 20 years of serving that has been so great. On the other hand, when I have kept it professional, done what I was = brought in to do I have been much more sane. In one case I only stayed = about a year and a half at a totally dead protestant church. I showed up = no earlier than was necessary, did not practice, and did not participate = in ANY other church activity (this was an organist only job so I did not = have to plan things.) When I left, I remember telling myself not to expect = anything and reminding myself that I didn't deserve anything. I had = numerous people coming up to me telling me how my playing had added such = beauty to their services and how I would be missed. I have had other = instances where I often felt like I was not giving enough, and in all = these cases I got treated (usually) better than the ones where I was a = "member." I am not saying I got offered a raise every year or a christmas = bonus, but I also didn't have to put up with the usual church politics. If you can keep from joining a church in both heart and mind, you will = definitely be better off.     Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org     --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. --0-194024145-1003805005=3D:30334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>I agree with everyone's comments. You will be much happier if you keep = your church positions strictly professional. I do think there is a happy = ground where you can become an insider without being a member, and that = has worked well for me, but only outside my own denomination. I can't seem = to dis- associate myself within my own denomination and it means that I am = either heaven or hell, and neither one is for the best when it is your = job. Right now I am in heaven. It is the perfect church for me, I am = respected, taken care of, and I have been able to help some things to = happen that are very special for all of us. But this is only the 2nd job = in my own denomination in 20 years of serving that has been so great. <P>On the other hand, when I have kept it professional, done what I was = brought in to do I have been much more sane. In one case I only stayed = about a year and a half at a totally dead protestant church. I showed up = no earlier than was necessary, did not practice, and did not participate = in ANY other church activity (this was an organist only job so I did not = have to plan things.) When I left, I remember telling myself not to expect = anything and reminding myself that I didn't deserve anything. I had = numerous people coming up to me telling me how my playing had added such = beauty to their services and how I would be missed. I have had other = instances where I often felt like I was not giving enough, and in all = these cases I got treated (usually) better than the ones where I was a = "member." I am not saying I got offered a raise every year or a christmas = bonus, but I also didn't have to put up with the usual church politics. <P>If you can keep from joining a church in both heart and mind, you will = definitely be better off. </P><BR><BR>Randy Terry<br>Minister of Music, = Organist &amp; Choirmaster<br>The Episcopal Church of St. Peter<br>Redwood = City, California<br>www.stpetersrwc.org<p><br><hr size=3D1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Make a great connection at <a href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mktg/mail/txt/tagline/?http://personals.yahoo.c= om" target=3D"_blank">Yahoo! Personals</a>. --0-194024145-1003805005=3D:30334--  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:10:13 EDT   harrym@epix.net (Harry E. Martenas) wrote:       > For those who often hold > church positions - do you usually join the church you're > playing for, or do you *avoid* doing so?   Is the pastor of this church on the hiring/firing board? If so, how would =   you feel about being "fired" by your pastor, should they decide not to = renew your contract? And to whom would you go for guidance and comfort, if such = an event happened?   This happened to me. I would never again join a church for which I'm organist. There is "my" church, and then there is the church I work for. =     Vicki  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:30:51 EDT   I have joined all but 1 church where I was employed as organist. Most of = the churches requested I be a member. I have been a very happy member of the church where I have been organist for the past 12 years (except for a 3 = month hiatus) and I like being part of the church. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:33:56 EDT     --part1_16c.2bff42a.29063f24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/22/01 8:01:50 PM Central Daylight Time, bald1@prodigy.net writes:   So far in my career I've been in a church of my denomination, and have = joined the membership. For me being able to worship in the church I am at on = Sunday is important. Granted it seems like I've got 15,000 other things going = on, but if I'm not a member there, when do you really have time to worship as most of us get very few Sundays off to attend that church you are a member = at if not a member at the church you play for. In that case you are most = likely on the inactive list in that congregation as you aren't attending worship.   Now this next point does not apply to those who play for churches outside their denomination, but look at Pastors they technically work for the = church, they get paid a salary just like the organist. How do you think the congregation would react to a pastor that did not become a member.     Just a thought.   Travis       > I would not encourage anyone to become a member of a church for which = they > played, unless one was committed to that church's (denomination) = theological > position. One should be a member of a church so that they might = worship. >       --part1_16c.2bff42a.29063f24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/22/01 8:01:50 PM Central Daylight Time, bald1@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR>So far in my career I've been in a church of my denomination, and have = joined the membership. &nbsp;For me being able to worship in the church I = am at on Sunday is important. &nbsp;Granted it seems like I've got 15,000 = other things going on, but if I'm not a member there, when do you really = have time to worship as most of us get very few Sundays off to attend that = church you are a member at if not a member at the church you play for. = &nbsp;In that case you are most likely on the inactive list in that = congregation as you aren't attending worship. <BR> <BR>Now this next point does not apply to those who play for churches = outside their denomination, but look at Pastors they technically work for = the church, &nbsp;they &nbsp;get paid a salary just like the organist. = &nbsp;How do you think the congregation would react to a pastor that did = not become a member. &nbsp; <BR> <BR> <BR>Just a thought. <BR> <BR>Travis <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I would not = encourage anyone to become a member of a church for which they <BR>played, unless one was committed to that church's (denomination) = theological <BR>position. &nbsp;One should be a member of a church so that they might = worship. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_16c.2bff42a.29063f24_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:55:13 -0400   Generally I agree that staff should not be members, Pastors excepted. However, if the organist and/or choirmaster is a member of another parish, how can he/she take (regular) part in that parish's (and every parish's) most important activity: worship?   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: RE: organists as church members, not good! From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:46:27 -0500   I disagree strongly with the comments that a person should not become a member, and I'm concerned at some of the comments I'm reading! I realize that for many of you, you do this full time, and this IS your job. = However, I don't view it that way, even if I was in the same position. Someone = asked about the pastors, and yes, they should be a member of the denomination = for at least one reason: They are to be the spiritual leader of the church. = I dare say that we organists do not take on that role as shepherd. I see myself as the shepherd's staff...in support of his/her ministry.   Now, having said that...I also respect those who do not feel that they should be a member. However, I don't think we should make this a blanket statement. I think it's important to be able to worship in the church OFF as well as ON the bench, as someone else also pointed out. Do you need to be able to that? Not necessarily. Should you? Again, not necessarily.   I have held three positions since "leaving the nest" of my home congregation. Of these three, I've only joined ONE...the second...and = that actually was done FOR me. The first church, I had a strong hunch that I'd only be there a couple of years. I was young, naive, and they knew it. = The second was the post I just left after 10 years. Now, in each case, they were LCMS churches, as is my home congregation. I had been a member there for almost all of my life, and because I was hardly ever there, they "strongly encouraged" me to transfer...which I did, not without some bitterness. This turned out in my favor, as I felt not ONLY as an = employee (I prefer Contracted Consultant), but also as part of the spiritual = family. I left Holy Cross to become the Minister of Music for an ELCA church...and told them upfront I'd not be a member. They were fine with that. I was ready to change positions, but not synods! However, after a short time = (one month, to be precise), I felt that this is a church I could easily become = a member of....some day...or never...who knows?   I guess it all really depends on what you are seeking in your position. = In my case, I need it to be something that I can be a part of, in worship, = and not have to worry about my sense of belief being challenged. I never thought I'd want or take a position outside of the Missouri Synod, but = here I have done that, and may have even gone Presbyterian, or some other non-Lutheran position, had the opportunity arisen.   It's an interesting question...but again, I caution against blanket statements. We need to let the young minds form their own way of = thinking, and encourage them to follow their hearts.   Just my two cents...   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:54:04 EDT   Years ago the rector of the Episcopal church where I played told me to = "never join the church where you are employed". He gave several very valid = reasons for not joining, so I have not and it has been better. I am presently in a Presbyterian church where staff members are not = allowed to be members of the church, and if I am not mistaken, the clergy are also =   not allowed into membership.  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:01:35 EDT     --part1_165.2b7ea44.290653af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobmac36@aol.com writes:     > and if I am not mistaken, the clergy are also > not allowed into membership. >   Right. Presbyterian ministers do not join local churches. They are = members of the Presbytery.   Methodist ministers (elders) do not join local churches as members.   I am a member of the church where I am employed full-time. Whether I = should be is another issue. I just am.   Neil Brown   --part1_165.2b7ea44.290653af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = Bobmac36@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">and if I am not = mistaken, the clergy are also <BR>not allowed into membership. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Right. &nbsp;Presbyterian ministers do not join local churches. = &nbsp;They are members of the Presbytery. <BR> <BR>Methodist ministers (elders) do not join local churches as members. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I am a member of the church where I am employed full-time. = &nbsp;Whether I should be is another issue. &nbsp;I just am. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_165.2b7ea44.290653af_boundary--  
(back) Subject: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:23:04 -0700   Dear Friends, Acquaintances, Partners-in-Argument, etc.:       Saturday I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure and (previously undiagnosed) diabetes. All is well and under control; I was discharged tonight. When I opened my e-mail, I found a message from my Rector, threatening to fire me for being ill. I am nonplussed; I shouldn't be; this isn't the first time. I have missed three Sundays in four years on account of illness. I took vacation time for surgery.   Prayers, advice, etc. most welcome.       Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:35:20 EDT     --part1_80.11ec4729.290685c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 23/10/01 03:39:25 GMT Daylight Time, = pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   > From: "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com> > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:57:52 -0400 > > ....how many of you church organists (referring now to Old 100th) do = more > than play the 4 part harmony? Do any of you use accompaniments with = more > motion? Anyone use the festival trumpet (or any reed) for chords as is > done in many renditions of National Hymn?   I enjoy hymn accompaniments with extra colour, passing notes and all the = rest of the tricks. However, some tunes have a simple grandeur that whatever talent I may have for embellishment, I feel it would not add but detract. = For example it would take some very special circumstances for me to change the =   harmony of Quam Dilecta by Jenner (We love the place O God - Hymns Ancient = & Modern Revised 242), Song 13 by Orlando Gibbons (Jesu, grant me this I pray - A&MRev 211) or Franconia (Blest are the pure in heart - A&MRev 335).   The occasion must influences what is "right". If singing the metrical = Psalm 100 to the tune Old Hundredth at a major event with a large congregation = and a suitably grand atmosphere it might seem quite appropriate to hold up the =   last verse by including the orchestral fanfare (is it Vaughan-Williams, I forget?) but that would hardly do for a quiet evensong of 30 people!   Even then, I might still play more than the four part harmony as four part =   harmony is written for a choir to sing and not necessarily what works best = as an organ accompaniment. It is possible and often desirable to play the = same harmony as in the four part hymn book but not play the same notes as on = the page.   Peter   Peter M Harrison Emmanuel Church, Holcombe Ramsbottom, Lancashire & P H Music tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 web www.phmusic.co.uk   --part1_80.11ec4729.290685c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 23/10/01 03:39:25 GMT Daylight Time, = pipechat@pipechat.org writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">From: "Jon" = &lt;sparky@CEINetworks.com&gt;<BR> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:57:52 -0400<BR> <BR> .....how many of you church organists (referring now to Old 100th) do more = than play the 4 part harmony?&nbsp; Do any of you use accompaniments with = more motion?&nbsp; Anyone use the festival trumpet (or any reed) for = chords as is done in many renditions of National Hymn?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I enjoy hymn accompaniments with extra colour, passing notes and all the = rest of the tricks. However, some tunes have a simple grandeur that = whatever talent I may have for embellishment, I feel it would not add but = detract. For example it would take some very special circumstances for me = to change the harmony of Quam Dilecta by Jenner (We love the place O God - = Hymns Ancient &amp; Modern Revised 242), Song 13 <BR> by Orlando Gibbons (Jesu, grant me this I pray - A&amp;MRev 211) or = Franconia (Blest are the pure in heart - A&amp;MRev 335).<BR> <BR> The occasion must influences what is "right". If singing the metrical = Psalm 100 to the tune Old Hundredth at a major event with a large = congregation and a suitably grand atmosphere it might seem quite = appropriate to hold up the last verse by including the orchestral fanfare = (is it Vaughan-Williams, I forget?) but that would hardly do for a quiet = evensong of 30 people!<BR> <BR> Even then, I might still play more than the four part harmony as four part = harmony is written for a choir to sing and not necessarily what works best = as an organ accompaniment. It is possible and often desirable to play the = same harmony as in the four part hymn book but not play the same notes as = on the page.<BR> <BR> Peter<BR> <BR> Peter M Harrison<BR> Emmanuel Church, Holcombe<BR> Ramsbottom, Lancashire<BR> &amp; P H Music<BR> tel: +44 (0)1204 853310<BR> fax: +44 (0)1204 853445<BR> web www.phmusic.co.uk</FONT></HTML>   --part1_80.11ec4729.290685c8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:56:53 -0400   Bud,   I'd be tempted to print out that Rector's letter and post it on every bulletin board you can access.   I think his fellow "Christians" would be interested to witness such = behavior from their leader.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad? From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:11:15 EDT     --part1_15e.2b45fd5.29068e33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Its funny to me, that this is all being brought up, for I am going through = a situation that has to do with this subject. I have recently heard about a church in my community that was about to = build a large, new sanctuary. I also knew that the church had a small, = unsuitable organ for a sanctuary of that size. So I decided I would donate my home organ, which was an Allen 603 drawknob-style organ. The organ is very = large, and has an extremely large speaker installation, which, I knew was way too =   big to stay in my home any longer. So I arranged to have the organ put in the church's existing sanctuary temporarily until the new sanctuary was built. Well, the current organist who had been there for 15+ years (and who = presented herself as a great organist), was just not ready for an organ of this nature, for she had learned, and played on the old one for many years. I = was upset that she made herself sound like she was an organist that knew what = she was doing. She and I both knew that the many, many features of the organ would never be used, along with half the recourses of the organ. So she asked me if I would be the organist. I obliged, thinking that I would probably not play there but a few weeks, = and she would want her position back. I actually ended up playing there for = 6+ months, and really enjoyed the church, and made several close friends = within the congregation. However last weeks business meeting brought up that I was not yet a = member, and the nominating committee still had the old organists on the list of accompanists, and since I was not a member of the church, they could not = put me on the list at that time. I then told the choir director that I would join the church on the following Sunday, and would like to remain organist = of the church. Unfortunately, the old organist heard news of this, and = decided that she wanted to play again. Needless to say I had to give her back her =   position as organist at the church, because she was the organist according = to the nominating committee's records, which were valid for a year. Ever = since then, she has been calling me up and complaining because the organ did not =   sound like the old Hammond, and asking me to set the organ up for her to sound like a Hammond. So I called up the pastor and told him that since I =   was not an organist at that church, and since I was not a member of that church, that I was no longer under any obligation to do what she requested = of me, and furthermore, if she wants the organ to sound like the old organ, = then they need to USE the OLD organ. And If she wasn't going to properly use = the organ, its best that the organ is returned to me, and I will find = someplace more suitable for the organ. This situation kind of shows both the good, and the bad part of being a member of the church which you play. So tomorrow I will have my organ back in my home...that's it! Thanks, Josh White     --part1_15e.2b45fd5.29068e33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Its funny to me, that = this is all being brought up, for I am going through a situation that has = to do with this subject. <BR>I have recently heard about a church in my community that was about to = build a large, new sanctuary. &nbsp;I also knew that the church had a = small, unsuitable organ for a sanctuary of that size. &nbsp;So I decided I = would donate my home organ, which was an Allen 603 drawknob-style organ. = &nbsp;The organ is very large, and has an extremely large speaker = installation, which, I knew was way too big to stay in my home any longer. = &nbsp; <BR>So I arranged to have the organ put in the church's existing sanctuary = temporarily until the new sanctuary was built. <BR>Well, the current organist who had been there for 15+ years (and who = <I>presented</I> herself as a great organist), was just not ready for an organ of this nature, for she had learned, and played on the = old one for many years. &nbsp;I was upset that she made herself sound like = she was an organist that knew what she was doing. &nbsp;She and I both = knew that the many, many features of the organ would never be used, along = with half the recourses of the organ. &nbsp;So she asked me if I would be = the organist. &nbsp; <BR>I obliged, thinking that I would probably not play there but a few = weeks, and she would want her position back. &nbsp;I actually ended up = playing there for 6+ months, and really enjoyed the church, and made = several close friends within the congregation. <BR>However last weeks business meeting brought up that I was not yet a = member, and the nominating committee still had the old organists on the = list of accompanists, and since I was not a member of the church, they = could not put me on the list at that time. &nbsp;I then told the choir = director that I would join the church on the following Sunday, and would = like to remain organist of the church. &nbsp;Unfortunately, the old = organist heard news of this, and decided that she wanted to play again. = &nbsp;Needless to say I had to give her back her position as organist at = the church, because she was the organist according to the nominating = committee's records, which were valid for a year. &nbsp;Ever since then, = she has been calling me up and complaining because the organ did not sound = like the old Hammond, and asking me to set the organ up for her to sound = like a Hammond. &nbsp;So I called up the pastor and told him that since I = was not an organist at that church, and since I was not a member <BR>This situation kind of shows both the good, and the bad part of being = a member of the church which you play. <BR>So tomorrow I will have my organ back in my home...that's it! <BR>Thanks, <BR>Josh White <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_15e.2b45fd5.29068e33_boundary--