PipeChat Digest #2446 - Tuesday, October 23, 2001
 
Re: organists as church members
  by "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: organists as church members
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Organ Recordings Question...
  by "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: Bornemann
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Bornemann
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:00:31 -0400   Wow - didn't realize I had pushed susch a *hot* button!   Thanks for the replies - they have been most useful.   A few posters asked:   "If you are *not* a member, how can you personally worship?"   For me, worshipping during the service is nearly impossible, whether I am = a member or not. The Presbyterian church where I play, while not = particularly liturgical, uses a *lot* of music during the service. From the opening = "Let us prepare our hearts for worship" to the last note of the postlude, I am juggling hymnals, organ books, alternate harmonizations, various sung responses, choral anthem(s) and/or sheet music for soloists. (Not to = forget the occasional mad dash to the piano and back, resetting a general or two, passing a note down to the choir director, etc.) By the time the service = is concluded, I feel more like I've run a marathon than attended a worship service.   I read the scripture lessons...to make sure I know when they're *over* to start the next music cue. Ditto for prayers - our minister likes me to "sneak in" underneath the prayers at pp volume with the melody of the response to be sung following the prayer, thus establishing the key and starting point for the choir and/or congregation. This would be pretty = easy, except he changes the responses every week! So I don't get a whole lot out of the prayers...working too hard!   I am *not* being negative about all this - it makes for a powerful service with a gentle, smooth, and polished momentum from beginning to end. I = enjoy the challenge of providing the "glue" that connects all the elements of = the service.   And I know I'm not alone - many/most of you are in the same situation (or worse!).   "If you maintain your membership somewhere else, aren't you just contributing to their "inactive" roles?"   Good point. I *do* support them financially...but I don't see them very often, and am not involved in projects/missions to any degree. Don't know the answer to this one...   Thanks again for all the comments.   /Harry    
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:11:23 -0400   When that priest develops congestive heart failure and diabetes, do you think God will fire him?   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Dear Friends, Acquaintances, Partners-in-Argument, etc.: > > Saturday I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure and > (previously undiagnosed) diabetes. All is well and under control; I was > discharged tonight. When I opened my e-mail, I found a message from my > Rector, threatening to fire me for being ill. I am nonplussed; I > shouldn't be; this isn't the first time. I have missed three Sundays in > four years on account of illness. I took vacation time for surgery. > > Prayers, advice, etc. most welcome. > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:49:25 -0400       Charles Peery wrote: > > Bud, > > I'd be tempted to print out that Rector's letter and post it on every > bulletin board you can access. > > I think his fellow "Christians" would be interested to witness such = behavior > from their leader.   I agree with Charles, Bud. In addition let this situation surface from = your friends in that church. A silent censure for the atrocious behavior of = that clergyperson with possible financial consequences (smaller collections) = are the best tools. God bless you. I hope that this email finds you on the road to recovery.   Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:13:26 -0700   >Years ago the rector of the Episcopal church where I played told me to "never >join the church where you are employed".   I dunno -- that doesn't work for me. I have always been a member of the church where I serve. I feel I cannot effectively minister to the people = if I cannot stand with them. But then, I'm not full time at this, so maybe = the "rules" are a little different?   Dennis Goward      
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:17:49 -0500       "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote:   > When that priest develops congestive heart failure and diabetes, do you > think God will fire him?   With Earnet Young Rector's attitudes, as reported by Bud in the past, I = have my doubts that the Rector has been _hired_ by God yet, thus talk of his firing is premature...   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:19:34 -0500     --------------C7E66B6A437F551305CDDE1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Bobmac36@aol.com writes: > > > >> and if I am not mistaken, the clergy are also >> not allowed into membership. > > Right. Presbyterian ministers do not join local churches. They are > members of the Presbytery. > > Methodist ministers (elders) do not join local churches as members.   Clergy in the ELCA who are called to the ministry in a parish are not members, either.   ns   --------------C7E66B6A437F551305CDDE1C Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> &nbsp; <p>Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 10/23/2001 12:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobmac36@aol.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>and if I am not mistaken, the clergy are also</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>not allowed into = membership.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>Right.&nbsp; Presbyterian ministers do not join local churches.&nbsp; They are members of the Presbytery.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Methodist = ministers (elders) do not join local churches as = members.</font></font></font></blockquote> Clergy in the ELCA who are called to the ministry in a parish are not = members, either. <p>ns </body> </html>   --------------C7E66B6A437F551305CDDE1C--    
(back) Subject: Organ Recordings Question... From: "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:33:24 -0400   Dear all:   I had a professor at college approach me yesterday and ask me if I knew of = a recording that used a different tuning system that the normal = well-tempered system. I couldn't think of any. Does anyone have ideas?   Thanks,   Josh Edwards    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:15:41 -0500   Well, I played at my current church for over 10 years before I joined. I felt that I was a de facto member - in that time, most of the original membership had died off and the new members didn't know anything, so I was consulted as to "historical" happenings (I happened to know a little about the church's 100-year history too), altar guild and acolyting, and other procedures.   I was finally asked to serve on the vestry, because the outgoing priest wanted someone on there who would fight to preserve our tiny gem of an organ. In order to serve, I had to join!   I'm not saying that joining or not joining is wrong, but sometimes you = just gotta make a stake and take an ownership interest, particularly if you believe strongly in what you are doing, as I do with Episcopal worship and Christianity. My year as junior warden was as close to hell as I ever = want to come, and I swore I would not take another position on the vestry until hell froze over. However, there are frost warnings down there, for I just put my name in for vestry again, although I told the vicar that if elected = I would not serve as a warden again.   I vacillate between love and hate, because this church is a microcosm of every church, but more intense because of the compressed size. Yet for = some reason I'm still here, and the church is growing. Perhaps one day we'll = get a Christian priest, although the one we have is a really nice guy - we = just don't believe in the same God. But mine is bigger than his, so it's OK.   In some churches it is hard for people to take you seriously unless you = bite the bullet and become a member along with them. Otherwise you have an = easy out, a good excuse. No matter where you are, you have to put up with the bad as well as the good.   Just the ramblings of a demented woman who should be drying her hair and going to work.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:22:38 -0700   Under Australian Industrial law to fire anyone because of their illness would leave the boss open for a law suit which he would almost certainly lose with a financial penalty of considerable size. A professional musician is an employee and is protected by industrial law. Isn't there similar protection in the USA? Bob Elms.   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > discharged tonight. When I opened my e-mail, I found a message from my > Rector, threatening to fire me for being ill.    
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:20:27 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: "+mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)   > quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > discharged tonight. When I opened my e-mail, I found a message from my > > Rector, threatening to fire me for being ill.     1. Print it out.   2. Mark it Exhibit "A"        
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:35:27 EDT     --part1_108.752764e.2906cc1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/22/01 11:34:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TEvans1032@aol.com writes:     > Now this next point does not apply to those who play for churches = outside > their denomination, but look at Pastors they technically work for the > church, they get paid a salary just like the organist. How do you = think > the congregation would react to a pastor that did not become a member. =   >   In most denominations, the pastor is NOT a member of the parish church. Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians.... not sure about Baptists. = The shepherd is not part of the flock!   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_108.752764e.2906cc1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/22/01 11:34:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TEvans1032@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now this next = point does not apply to those who play for churches outside their = denomination, but look at Pastors they technically work for the church, = &nbsp;they &nbsp;get paid a salary just like the organist. &nbsp;How do = you think the congregation would react to a pastor that did not become a = member. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>In most denominations, the pastor is NOT a member of the parish = church. &nbsp;Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians.... not sure about = Baptists. &nbsp;&nbsp;The shepherd is not part of the flock! <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_108.752764e.2906cc1f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:38:26 EDT     --part1_3b.1c16e051.2906ccd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/23/01 12:39:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > . I think it's important to be able to worship in the church OFF > as well as ON the bench, as someone else also pointed out.   Being able to worship has nothing (or very little) to do with being a = member of a church. You either worship or you don't.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_3b.1c16e051.2906ccd2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/23/01 12:39:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. &nbsp;I think = it's important to be able to worship in the church OFF <BR>as well as ON the bench, as someone else also pointed out. = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Being able to worship has nothing (or very little) to do with being a = member of a church. &nbsp;You either worship or you don't. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_3b.1c16e051.2906ccd2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:44:01 -0400   I would take him out and hang him and then set him afire. No mercy by me. "THEY" used to do that to others. What a miserable, hateful individual = (and individual is for the sake of this prissy list who probably would disown = me for what I'd really like to call this mongrel). That said, you take care of yourself and you should not worry and get yourself more sick over this. There is always other work out there. You = are most important in this. Sincerely Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:23 AM To: +mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC; organchat; pipechat Subject: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)     Dear Friends, Acquaintances, Partners-in-Argument, etc.:       Saturday I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure and (previously undiagnosed) diabetes. All is well and under control; I was discharged tonight. When I opened my e-mail, I found a message from my Rector, threatening to fire me for being ill. I am nonplussed; I shouldn't be; this isn't the first time. I have missed three Sundays in four years on account of illness. I took vacation time for surgery.   Prayers, advice, etc. most welcome.       Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:50:16 EDT     --part1_147.37282d4.2906cf98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/23/01 6:00:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = harrym@epix.net writes:     > For me, worshipping during the service is nearly impossible, whether I = am a > member or not. The Presbyterian church where I play, while not = particularly > liturgical, uses a *lot* of music during the service. From the opening = "Let > us prepare our hearts for worship" to the last note of the postlude, I = am > juggling hymnals, organ books, alternate harmonizations, various sung > responses, choral anthem(s) and/or sheet music for soloists. (Not to = forget > the occasional mad dash to the piano and back, resetting a general or = two, > passing a note down to the choir director, etc.) By the time the = service is > concluded, I feel more like I've run a marathon than attended a worship > service. >   My advice is to "clean up your act." It sounds to me like your = over-doing it. Or at least organist your music so that you don't have to spend so = much time juggling. I have played in Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopal churches all my life and have never resorted to hymns copied and placed = into a notebook, colored pins in the hymnal, etc. I think the secret is to = know your service so well that you can play through it unassisted by all of = these things. There is no excuse for piston dependency!! (separate soapbox) = One thing that would be very helpful would be to improve your improvising skills so that you're not so reliant on "printed" variations. Also work = on you sight-reading skills so that the choir/prayer responses are no big = deal. I really think you need to sit down and take a very careful and critical look at what you are doing as you accompany worship. It may sound harsh, =   but a very, VERY fine organist gave me this advice thirty years ago, and I =   have been forever grateful.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_147.37282d4.2906cf98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/23/01 6:00:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, harrym@epix.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For me, = worshipping during the service is nearly impossible, whether I am a <BR>member or not. The Presbyterian church where I play, while not = particularly <BR>liturgical, uses a *lot* of music during the service. From the opening = "Let <BR>us prepare our hearts for worship" to the last note of the postlude, I = am <BR>juggling hymnals, organ books, alternate harmonizations, various sung <BR>responses, choral anthem(s) and/or sheet music for soloists. (Not to = forget <BR>the occasional mad dash to the piano and back, resetting a general or = two, <BR>passing a note down to the choir director, etc.) &nbsp;By the time the = service is <BR>concluded, I feel more like I've run a marathon than attended a = worship <BR>service. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>My advice is to "clean up your act." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It sounds to me = like your over-doing it. &nbsp;&nbsp;Or at least organist your music so = that you don't have to spend so much time juggling. &nbsp;I have played in = Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopal churches all my life and have never = resorted to hymns copied and placed into a notebook, colored pins in the = hymnal, etc. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think the secret is to know your service so = well that you can play through it unassisted by all of these things. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There is no excuse for piston dependency!! &nbsp;(separate soapbox) &nbsp;&nbsp;One thing that would be very helpful = would be to improve your improvising skills so that you're not so reliant = on "printed" variations. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also work on you sight-reading skills = so that the choir/prayer responses are no big deal. &nbsp;&nbsp;I really = think you need to sit down and take a very careful and critical look at = what you are doing as you accompany worship. &nbsp;&nbsp;It ma <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_147.37282d4.2906cf98_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:10:04 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: RE: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)     > I would take him out and hang him and then set him afire.   Bud,   Send us his e-mail address, and after that we'll try Robert's idea.      
(back) Subject: Re: Bornemann From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:54:45 -0400   on 10/19/01 9:17 AM, COLASACCO, ROBERT at RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org wrote:   > Thank you. But was it less than $500? :) just kidding, don't answer. > >> I can't remember how much I paid. It was > more than $3.00 but a lot less than $1000. >     My best recollection is that it was between $20 and $30.   Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: RE: Bornemann From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:02:26 -0400   That's still pretty expesive. I Madame Langlais makes good on these.   -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon [mailto:runyonr@muohio.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:55 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Bornemann     on 10/19/01 9:17 AM, COLASACCO, ROBERT at RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org wrote:   > Thank you. But was it less than $500? :) just kidding, don't answer. > >> I can't remember how much I paid. It was > more than $3.00 but a lot less than $1000. >     My best recollection is that it was between $20 and $30.   Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:14:29 EDT   As a Holcomb, whose ancestors came from England, I was attracted to your signature where you play.   I would like to use the "Festival Doxology," but we have a pianist and keyboardist who play with me, and they want to use the 4 part harmony = only. We also have a Music Director who makes many of the choices about what and =   how we will play. I have been there 12 years, and it is a satisfactory situation for me at this time, as I am nearing retirement age (but not in playing). This will probably be the last position I will have on a = permanent basis as an organist. So, with all the changes, I go along with whatever will best serve the church, and God. At least I am not replaced, except = for one Sunday Night a month, with a Praise and Worship band. It has it's = place, and the young people respond to it. But the majority of the congregation prefers the traditional hymns with organ accompaniment, and my classical preludes and postludes. I do "bend" when I feel it is best for the = service. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:28:46 -0400   Please forgive the commercial appeal of this message...   At Frog Music Press we have in final preparation a collection of Counter Accompaniments for Organists that are specifically designed for use in a church where the members are not accustomed to free harmonizations, or where a pianist also plays 4 parts from the hymnal.   They involve simple melodic and/or harmonic additions that stay within or slightly stretch the harmponis frame and give some variety. I am currently interim organist at a church where a pianist also plays the hymns, and many of these have sprouted from things I have done on Sunday morning, sketched out on paper during the sermon and written down after = lunch.   Now the good part!   I would be glad to send out samples of three or four from the collection, including a Doxology, to anyone interested. Email me privately and I will send them as pdf attachments.   Once again, please excuse the commercial!   -- noel jones, aago gedeckt@usit.net   www.frogmusic.com Rodgers Organ Users Group