PipeChat Digest #2448 - Tuesday, October 23, 2001
 
Re: organists as church members
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
RE: organists as church members
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
RE: Organ Recordings Question...
  by "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
RE: Organ Recordings Question...
  by "diaphone 64" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
Recent concerts in DFW
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members)
  by "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net>
RE: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: organists as church members(juggling hymnals?)
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: my situation, and offers of help (X-posted)
  by "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au>
Re: Recent concerts in DFW
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:52:41 EDT     --part1_a7.15af3120.290740a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/22/2001 7:48:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harrym@epix.net writes:     > For those who often hold church positions - do you usually join the = church > you're playing for, or do you *avoid* doing so? > >   Personally, I have made it a general practice to NOT join the church where = I am organist (and sometimes choirmaster as well). I do not wish to be = involved in the interpersonal politics that happen when staffers are members also, especially at the point where I decide to leave. That way, I don't (have = to) hurt people's feelings, or subject myself (or others) to unwelcome circumstances that seem to surround the 'change of powers-that-be". I do not hesitate to participate in those areas of the church = administration that (as a staff member, and sometimes the only knowledgeable person) are appropriate or that affect what I do and how I do it (jn the performance = of my job). I do try to temper my criticism of past mistakes with a "here's = how we can do it better, or avoide the mistakes of the past" approach. I also ALWAYS try to leave the place better than I found it when I arrived, especially where my successor may be concerned.   Rick in VA   --part1_a7.15af3120.290740a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/22/2001 7:48:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harrym@epix.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For those who = often hold church positions - do you usually join the church <BR>you're playing for, or do you *avoid* doing so? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Personally, I have made it a general practice to NOT join the church = where I am organist (and sometimes choirmaster as well). I do not wish to = be involved in the interpersonal politics that happen when staffers are = members also, especially at the point where I decide to leave. That way, I = don't (have to) hurt people's feelings, or subject myself (or others) to = unwelcome circumstances that seem to surround the 'change of = &nbsp;powers-that-be". <BR>I do not hesitate to participate in those areas of the church = administration that (as a staff member, and sometimes the only = knowledgeable person) are appropriate or that affect what I do and how I = do it (jn the performance of my job). I do try to temper my criticism of = past mistakes with a "here's how we can do it better, or avoide the = mistakes of the past" approach. I also ALWAYS try to leave the place = better than I found it when I arrived, especially where my successor may = be concerned. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a7.15af3120.290740a9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:52:44 EDT     --part1_4a.8d9043.290740ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/22/2001 10:00:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sparky@CEINetworks.com writes:     > > I am interested in how you all use this in your service... > >   Jon - (et al)   The church where I am organist is VERY long (especially for a church with numbers like ours...can you say "over-built"?). I play the "Old Hundredth" =   (Dox) 2 times thru...the first time as a free-harmonized version (while = the collection is 'ushed' to the front) and then in the more-or-less standard harmonization for the congregation to sing. On occasion, I will program in = my special digital party-horn stop and use the antiphonal speakers to intro = the Dox. (usually, this produces various amounts of stunned-into-conciousness surprise and an occasional whiplash injury) but I generally reserve this = for more (ahem) festive occasions.   Rick in VA   --part1_4a.8d9043.290740ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/22/2001 10:00:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sparky@CEINetworks.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>I am interested in how you all use this in your service... <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Jon - &nbsp;(et al) <BR> <BR>The church where I am organist is VERY long (especially for a church = with numbers like ours...can you say "over-built"?). I play the "Old = Hundredth" (Dox) 2 times thru...the first time as a free-harmonized = version (while the collection is 'ushed' to the front) and then in the = more-or-less standard harmonization for the congregation to sing. On = occasion, I will program in my special digital party-horn stop and use the = antiphonal speakers to intro the Dox. (usually, this produces various = amounts of stunned-into-conciousness surprise and an occasional whiplash = injury) but I generally reserve this for more (ahem) festive occasions. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4a.8d9043.290740ac_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: organists as church members From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:13:46 -0400   >For those who often hold church positions - do you usually join the = church you're playing for, or do you *avoid* doing so?   I would avoid it unless, perhaps, I had been organist there for a long = time. Not that I have always followed this advice, or been in a position to do = so.   It's one of the drawbacks of small town life that one may have no = realistic choice in the matter. If you are working for a congregation of your own persuasion, it will probably be the only one in town, or within a = realistic radius. So I was a member, and sometimes a vestryman, and it could turn into a mess.   Now, however, I have a very good reason not to join whatever church I = happen to be playing for: I am a long-time member of S. Clement's, Philadelphia. This not only suits me theologically, but liturgically and musically you can't get much closer to heaven in this mortal life. You might love S. Clement's or you might despise S. Clement's, but if you know anything = about it at all, you appreciate that it is unique in the diocese. So all a = member usually needs to do is to explain that he is one, and any other suitors = for his affiliation immediately conclude that he is a poor prospect, if not a totally lost cause :-) It would be mean and shameful to transfer my membership away from such a place just because of filthy lucre. When = you're a happy, loyal member of one parish, what right does an employer have to expect you to up and change that? Answer: zilch. If they are too into control of one's personal life to agree, then maybe it's not a nice place = to work in.   Formal membership is a totally separate issue from how much you wish to participate in parish activities, and from how much worshipping you can do while playing a service. For such a moderately-sized group, S. George's = has an impressive calendar of interesting social activities (our mission statement defines us as "a congregation of companions..." a term with a sacramental allusion first of all, but it also applies in the more = everyday sense of the word). I have always been made welcome for any of these I = wish to participate in, which is a good number, but have never been pressured. =     As for working within one's own denomination, however, with one or two exceptions I just couldn't see myself doing otherwise on a permanent = basis, especially if it interfered with mass obligation. Denominational adherence is theologically called for more in some denominations than others. In = mine it happens to be very strong for clear-cut, objective reasons. End of discusison.   It may be that one needs to worship away from the console, perhaps at a weekday mass, because musical duties are too demanding and distracting. = On the other hand, I don't see how one's service-playing can be properly inspired if one is not making some effort to experience the liturgy as a worshipper. A parishioner of S. Sulpice-- and a sexton, perhaps-- was no musician, but he immediately knew from listening who was playing for mass. M. X, he explained, played very well, but he didn't pray-- whereas M. = Dupre, ah, much more beautiful, because when he was improvising during mass, he also prayed.   Shouldn't we all hope that this can be said of us, too?   Paul Emmons    
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:39:45 -0500   Dear Bud,   My prayers are with you. Try not to get too ticked off at this = *************, it isn't worth it. Just do as my grandfather (who's 94) = does--be a mean SOB and live a long time--it never fails. heehee   My feeble advice is please, don't let Peter and Robert kill your rector. = :o) Even thought you deserve a heck of a LOT better.   Take care of yourself!! Mandy     Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Recordings Question... From: "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:47:30 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C15BF3.2B4AFDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce and others....   Thanks so much for the information on temperaments. I passed it along to the professor and she was greatly appreciative.   Josh     ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C15BF3.2B4AFDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D280384622-23102001>Bruce=3D20 and&nbsp;others....</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280384622-23102001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280384622-23102001>Thanks&nbsp;so much for the information = on=3D20 temperaments.&nbsp; I&nbsp;passed it along to the professor and she was = =3D greatly=3D20 appreciative.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280384622-23102001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280384622-23102001>Josh</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280384622-23102001>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D color=3D3D#000000=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C15BF3.2B4AFDC0--    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Recordings Question... From: "diaphone 64" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:20:56 -0400   Now come on guys (everyone included)....   This list is suppose to be for supporting each other in our careers, not picking and choosing battles! As organists, I think we can carry on many different tasks at once... other wise, why would we need 99 levels of pistons???   Now, support to Bud BUT NOT LYNCHING THE RECTOR is what is needed. You = can also answer this guy's questions about recordings. It seems pretty = childish to pick and choose an argument.   Jason Comet (who has been a member of pipe"argue"-L for several years now and doesn't respond because I know the comment is going to get battled and hashed to bits until the original content is no longer valid or applicable)   >We'll come back to this later. We're preparing to lynch someone right = now. > <snip> > >Dear all: > >I had a professor at college approach me yesterday and ask me if I knew = of >a >recording that used a different tuning system that the normal = well-tempered >system. I couldn't think of any. Does anyone have ideas? > >Thanks, > >Josh Edwards > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Recent concerts in DFW From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:46:31 -0500   Wow...I go away for two days and the list is on fire all of a sudden...   Just wanted to give everyone a review of two concerts I attended yesterday = and Sunday night. Sunday I made a trip to downtown Fort Worth to hear = Bradley Hunter Welch on the Broadway Baptist Casavant. The program is as = follows:   Pageant Leo Sowerby Elegy George Thalben-Ball Grande Piece Symphonique Cesar Franck Sinfonia from Cantata No. 29 JS Bach Clair de Lune Claude Debussy, transcribed by Alexandre Cellier Sonata no. 1, Op 42 Alexandre Guilmant   I was impressed with both the organ, which I was hearing for the first = time (shame on me, I know), and with Mr Welch. I don't know Welch's exact = age, but he looked like a spring chicken to me :o). He played, however, = with a great deal of confidence and easy companionship with the organ. In = other words, he enjoyed himself immensely=97I swear I saw a grin while he = was playing the Bach Sinfonia.   I won=92t trouble y'all with details of every piece, but the Guilmant was = definitely my favorite work of the night. Maybe because Mr Welch had the = chance to open up the organ, and WOW what a sound when he had everything = blaring away. I was amazed that I could still hear the individual notes, = even as loud as it was. I got the impression of hearing a very dignified = instrument. The oboe and vox humana stops (used in the Pastorale) were = beautiful.   I had wanted to hear Franck=92s Grande Piece Symphonique live for many = moons, so it was a treat to hear it played on this instrument. There was = something that kind of seemed strange to me, though=97the Franck and the = Guilmant have sort of similar themes in places, and it seemed a tad = awkward to me to have both pieces in the same program.   I enjoyed the international flavor of this concert=97English, American, = French and German composers all at once. It was a lovely evening.   Last night I trekked over to Dallas to attend a concert given by Todd = Wilson at the Meyerson. I=92m not sure I can even speak about this = concert=97I=92m still shocked by everything that I heard. I didn=92t know = a concert could be such a continuous thrill, one moment after another.   Anyway, here=92s the program...and what a program it was:   Variations on "America" Charles Ives Scherzo Op 2 Maurice Durufle Carmen Suite (woohoo!)Georges Bizet, arr. Edwin H. Lemare Two Preludes on Early American Hymn Tunes (There is a Happy Land, I Love = Thee, My Lord) George Shearing (!) Sonata on the 94th Psalm Julius Reubke   Mr Wilson played the Ives variations with just the right amount of humor = and exuberance. He even used the elusive bird-whistle stop that I = haven=92t been able to locate on the Meyerson stoplist (anyone know what = it is??). I think he might have covered just about every sound on the = organ, which was a nice treat for the ears, and seemed a rather clever = metaphor, seeing how diverse America is. But I could just be reading too = much into it, heehee.   Durufle is a favorite of mine, and the Scherzo really suited this organ = (okay, I=92m partial to Baroque Trackers, so maybe I=92m a leeeetle = biased). I love how percussive this instrument is=97it suits a scherzo = well, and Mr Wilson gave the piece a runaway sort of laughing quality. I = felt dizzy afterwards. :o)   I can=92t speak about the rest of the program really; I=92m still in a = state of bliss. hehe. I can only say: HE PLAYED REUBKE=92S SONATA FROM = MEMORY. He played the entire recital from memory, but good grief. = Actually, I will add one more thing about the Reubke=97again, Mr = Wilson=92s use of percussion was a learning experience for me. I would = give anything to play a tracker and experiment with this technique.   One of the interesting things about seeing these two concerts back to back = was noticing the differences between two incredibly fine musicians. Both = gentlemen are very much performers, talking to the audience between pieces = to "clear the palette" so to speak, and both have impeccable technique. = But there were subtle differences, perhaps resulting from their difference = in age and concertizing experience. I kept thinking during Mr Wilson's = concert--this is what Welch is going to be in fifteen or twenty years.   Hope I haven=92t bored y=92all too much. I get excited about these = concerts, and half the time can=92t get across what I want to say about = them. Oh vell. :o)   All the best, Mandy       Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp  
(back) Subject: Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members) From: "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:18:20 -0400   Dear Bruce (and fellow list members who may or may not be interested - = keep your "delete" key handy) :   Thank you so very much for your long-distance analysis of my improvisational, sight-reading, and organizational skills. I had no idea they were in such poor condition. (All this constructive criticism, and = you have never heard me play a service - truly remarkable!) As always, I am appreciative when a well-known, beloved, and respected colleague offers = such insights. It is remarkable that you can read the five sentences I wrote, = and instantly understand my shortcomings, and see where I need to improve.   I apologize in advance for not having responded to all your words of = wisdom on this and other organic lists over the years. Somehow, the three PC's which I use to access email have lost the majority of your thousands of posts. Someone must have reset my filtering software improperly. (I will deal with said person privately; fortunately, this gem came through!) I = know I, and all the list owners and list members involved would not want to = miss a single pearl of your wisdom.   > My advice is to "clean up your act." > It sounds to me like your over-doing it.   Well, yes, being a church organist is somewhat similar to performing an "act." Some might say that the minister is the one "over-doing" it - he picks all the hymns and responses.   > I have played in Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopal > churches all my life and have never resorted to hymns > copied and placed into a notebook, colored pins in the > hymnal, etc.   How interesting (although I am not sure how this applies - thus demonstrating my obvious lack of experience ). I too have played for different denominations (predominantly Methodist, UCC, and Presbyterian) over the last twenty-six years. I also do not resort to creating a service book - simply don't have the time since it all changes so frequently (more on this later).   > I think the secret is to know your service so well > that you can play through it unassisted by all of > these things.   Once again, I thank you for your wisdom. "Knowing your service" is an admirable goal.   The order of service changes *weekly.* The responses (and what gets responded to) change *weekly.* The number of hymns changes *weekly.* If four hymns are being sung, I can count on one of them being new to me, two will leave the choir scrating their heads, and three will be new to = the congregation (often from different hymnals). Psalms may be read, sung, lead by a cantor, or any variation - again, this changes every week. Some details about who's doing what (pastor, lay reader, choir, cantor, congregation, organist, other instrumentalist) are not finalized (or are changed) 15 minutes prior to the start of the service.   But, of course, you are correct - I'm obviously not spending enought time "knowing my service."   > There is no excuse for piston dependency!! > (separate soapbox)   I was not aware that "resetting a general or two" was piston dependency. Thank you for clearing that up for me. This will be particularly useful to remember when the two sides of the organ drift out of tune with each other during the course of the service, and my planned registrations no longer work. As soon as I finish this message, I will immediately seek out and = join the local chapter of "The Piston Dependancy Support Group." I'm already getting up the courage to say "My name is Harry Martenas, and I am a = piston abuser." I feel like I'm already on the road to recovery!   > One thing that would be very helpful would be to > improve your improvising skills so that you're > not so reliant on "printed" variations.   I'm awed by your ability to assess my improvisational skills from half a continent away. And mercy, I didn't realize I was "so reliant" - I use a (note singular) published version maybe every other week or so - and I = like to think this is the good stuff, not the schlock. I generally improvise to some degree on *all* hymns.   > Also work on you sight-reading skills so that > the choir/prayer responses are no big deal.   I know I am perhaps dwelling too much on this, but you continue to amaze = me with your insightful comments about my skills or lack thereof. Prior to = your observations, I have always considered my sight-reading skills to be = rather good - thank heaven! You don't want to know how much I rely on them in the course of these services!   "Playing" the responses is no big deal. Locating them in any number of hymnals or photocopies passed to me before the service, determining how to lead into them while underscoring the previous event, and remembering that the choir director added a four measure tag to highlight the flute = obbligato (as in flautist, *not* flute stop) are where the concentration is = required.   > I really think you need to sit down and take a > very careful and critical look at what you are > doing as you accompany worship.   Many blessings upon you, and your remarkable insights into my situation. I will surely adjust the filters in my email programs so that I never miss = any of your postings that contain such wisdom. And, with all my obvious flaws, = I just don't understand why it is that I have to turn down more playing opportunities than I accept. Why on *earth* does the phone keep ringing? Perhaps you could start a national campaign to educate musicians, clergy, and congregations in what to look for in an organist. Surely this is = needed?   > It ma   It ma - then again it ma not.   /Harry Martenas          
(back) Subject: RE: organists as church members, not good! From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:24:58 -0500   Jeff White wrote:   < I disagree strongly with the comments that a person should not become a = member, and I'm concerned at some of the comments I'm reading! >   snip   <I think it's important to be able to worship in the church OFF as well as = ON the bench, as someone else also pointed out. >   snip   I enjoyed your comments, Jeff, as this is something I've been stewing = over. I grew up in the Church of Christ, which, as y'all probably know, = tends to have strictly a cappella services. If I take a job at, say, a = Catholic church, I won't be "allowed" to take communion, and the services = will be foreign to me. How does one worship, in the traditional sense, in = that kind of situation?   Oh well. I suppose it's something that you figure out as you go. All I = know is that I've been called to play this instrument, and even when I = play secular music I'm playing to God; then again, I belong in the = membership of the Church of Christ. But I can only do my best!   Mandy     Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp  
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:12:30 -0700   The recent message from Mark on the above subject showed me as original sender. Not so. I only replied to it. Bob Elms.     "Mark W. McClellan" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Cc: "+mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; > "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) >    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members(juggling hymnals?) From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:44:03 EDT   Ron, I use the same method. However, every Sunday the Music Director = comes up with something to add, so I keep some empty plastic page slips in the = back of the notebook just in case, as well as having the hymnal handy. = However, in this day and age of choruses, I sometimes get a handful of Xeroxed = copies which had been requested and which are not printed in the bulletin. The Music Director gives me the bulletin on Wednesday night, but by Sunday Morning, he has changed his mind. His motto, "Be Flexible." Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:33:24 -0700   It seems things are vastly different there than in this country. For instance our priests, ministers, rectors have no powers of hire and fire. That is up to the Parish Council. Anyway very few organists in this state would be paid a salary except in the cathedrals and some major churches. Most of us are amateurs who play for the love of it, and earn the living outside the church.   Tough treatment, Bud, best of luck with it. Bob   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > Bob, in the U.S., churches and other non-profit organizations are exempt > from some (but not all) of the anti-discrimination and employment laws. > Historically our courts have been loathe to involve themselves in > internecine church fights. >    
(back) Subject: Re: my situation, and offers of help (X-posted) From: "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:40:16 +1000   Robert Colasacco wrote: Only church people > can bring that out in me. I had my fill many years ago.   So did I. 35 years 'doing time' as an ecclesiastical organist was enough. Now I play at a movie theatre. Much more enjoyable! Ron West    
(back) Subject: Re: Recent concerts in DFW From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:11:07 EDT   Mandy, thanks for the reviews. Where I am now I don't get to many = concerts and I enjoy hearing about the ones other organists are privileged to = attend. I am 44 miles from Oklahoma City, where there are some good concerts, and = 3 hours from DFW. One of these days I will be able to go "concert hoping." =   Again, thanks. Lee