PipeChat Digest #2449 - Wednesday, October 24, 2001
 
notebooks
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: organists as church members
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested.
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested.
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad?
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad?
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Hammond card for Allen
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Organists serving in other denominations (Was The NOT GOOD thread)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: organists as church members, not good!
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Organ Recordings Question...
  by "Bruce Behnke" <behnke@lvcm.com>
RE: Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Degree question (X-Posted)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Degree question (X-Posted)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: Degree question (X-Posted)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: organists as church members(juggling hymnals?)
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
 

(back) Subject: notebooks From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:22:45 -0700   Both my Sunday Masses are in tabbed loose-leaf notebooks, laid out similarly to the various Lutheran organist's liturgies ... prayers and music in order.   All the choirbooks as well as the congregational booklets for occasional liturgies (Candlemas, Ash Wednesday, Holy Week, etc.), are laid out the same way.   IF I'm ill or away, all a substitute has to do is start at page one and play to the end. When I PLAN for a substitute, the hymns and the Collect, Epistle and Gospel for each Sunday are in the notebook as well. The occasional emergency sub DOES have to use the Prayer Book and Hymnal, but not otherwise.   I myself don't bother to put the hymns and the Collect, Epistle and Gospel in the notebook for ordinary Sundays, but EVERYTHING for the occasional liturgies is in the choirbook/organ book.   I only have eight general pistons ... I OFTEN have to reset during the sermon ... I can't physically REACH the extreme ends of the stop-rail on the mighty Allen (grin). There are two sequences in particular that may require all eight: Opening Voluntary-Processional Hymn-Introit-Kyrie-Gloria and Recessional-Orison-Closing Voluntary ... depending on what I'm playing for voluntaries ... or when I have to get down to strings in a HURRY following the Nunc dimittis at Evensong to accompany (!) the Creed. Evensong, by the way, is also in notebooks and congregational booklets, music and text in order.   Which is NOT to say I didn't grow up in the grand old hand-registering and shading tradition ... I did. I just find pistons more convenient for most things ... my divisionals are always set the same -- from celeste to Full To Reeds -- for improvising and spur-of-the-moment "inspirations."   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:35:44 EDT     --part1_27.1cef2970.290774f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Paul, How incredibly fortunate you are to be able to worship at St. Clement's = each week. I've only been there twice (OHS convention) but feel that one could =   probably worship there buried head down in the flower bed outside. What = an experience... and me an Oxford Movement snake-belly! ;-)   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_27.1cef2970.290774f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul, <BR>How incredibly fortunate you are to be able to worship at St. = Clement's each week. &nbsp;I've only been there twice (OHS convention) but = feel that one could probably worship there buried head down in the flower = bed outside. &nbsp;&nbsp;What an experience... and me an <BR>Oxford Movement snake-belly! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_27.1cef2970.290774f0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:37:40 -0500   Cremona502@cs.com wrote: >>In a message dated 10/23/01 12:39:06 AM Eastern Daylight >>Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:   > I think it's important to be able to worship in the church OFF >as well as ON the bench, as someone else also pointed out.   >Being able to worship has nothing (or very little) to do with being a member >of a church. You either worship or you don't.   I would go further than that. Our organist is an Episcopalian, but = belongs not to our church, but to the church where he originally grew up and = intends to return when he retires, and which is the church he supports = financially. This it seems to me is perfectly right and proper. Our church secretary = is a Roman Catholic. Both of them, however, come to some of our church functions, and our organist comes to coffee hour, etc., and both he and = the secretary occasionally help in volunteer activities for the church. I = once had an organist who considered herself a professional and did not set foot in the church apart from her professional activities. Everyone considered her a standoffish prima donna, which is what she probably was. She had difficulty in recruiting choir members and found it difficult to get commitment from the choir, who perceived her as not exercising any commitment in her leadership. This is a pity because she was an excellent musician. It is probably better than a church musician should not be a member of the church, but do not confuse this with having anything to do with participating in church activities.   John Speller, St. Mark's Episcopal Church, St. Louis.    
(back) Subject: Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested. From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:42:00 EDT   Bud, on one organ I played in a UMC, there was a 9 rank Moeller with no presets, no expression or crescendo pedal, all had to be terraced = dynamics. It was 2 manual and had AGO pedals, and a terrific full organ sound, with everything turned on. But it was quite a challenge every Sunday changing = the registration to fit the music. I am much more comfortable playing the = Allen 300C now at the SBC here, although there is no way to get a pipe organ = sound, even if I am told that is what is wanted. More often than is comfortable, =   the MD asks for a "Hammond" sound for the gospel choral music. I just use = a flute chorus (2', 4', 8') and tremolo, and he is happy. I think I = mentioned this on another post. If anyone here is familiar with the Allen 300C cardreader, I would appreciate any advice on registration. Although I = have been playing for over 50 years, I appreciate all the advice I can get. = Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:44:43 EDT     --part1_47.12cbc379.2907770b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Harry, I did not intend to insult you with my suggestions. It is very, VERY difficult to offer any advice with so little information to work with, so = the choice is to either ignore the request or try to offer as much advice as possible, in the hopes that the person receiving the advice will take all = in the spirit given, use what is appropriate and discard the rest. I'm = sorry that you resent my attempt at helping and want you to know that it was not =   intended as an insult or evaluation of your abilities.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_47.12cbc379.2907770b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Harry, <BR>I did not intend to insult you with my suggestions. &nbsp;It is very, = VERY difficult to offer any advice with so little information to work = with, so the choice is to either ignore the request or try to offer as = much advice as possible, in the hopes that the person receiving the advice = will take all in the spirit given, use what is appropriate and discard the = rest. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm sorry that you resent my attempt at = helping and want you to know that it was not intended as an insult or = evaluation of your abilities. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_47.12cbc379.2907770b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Doxology was 'organist membership' thread From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:44:00 -0500   I alternate between "Old 100th" and "Lasst uns Erfreuen" as tunes for the Doxology ... and usually try to find alternative harmonizations for both ....   Also, I am a member of the church .... could not be happier!   Sand   RMaryman@aol.com wrote:   > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:47:13 EDT     --part1_b2.9228cc.290777a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/23/01 8:25:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amadpoet@lycos.com writes:     > If I take a job at, say, a Catholic church, I won't be "allowed" to take =   > communion, and the services will be foreign to me. How does one worship, = in > the traditional sense, in that kind of situation? >   Turning the tables, if I, an Episcopalian, visit a friend who worships in = a Church of Christ, how do I worship in that situation. I remember a time =   when I went to a pentecostal church with some friends, and was able to worship there as well. If you are in the presence of God, you can = worship.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_b2.9228cc.290777a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/23/01 8:25:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amadpoet@lycos.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><I>If I take a job = at, say, a Catholic church, I won't be "allowed" to take communion, and = the services will be foreign to me. How does one worship, in the = traditional sense, in that kind of situation? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE></I> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Turning the tables, if I, an Episcopalian, visit a friend who worships = in a Church of Christ, how do I worship in that situation. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember a time when I went to a pentecostal church = with some friends, and was able to worship there as well. &nbsp;&nbsp;If = you are in the presence of God, you can worship. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_b2.9228cc.290777a1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:54:07 -0700   Lee, if I'm not mistaken, there's a Hammond or rock organ card for the 300 series, or something very similar. I can't remember what it's called, but = I remember coming across it in the catalog. I'll ask GBOrgan ... he probably = knows.   Cheers,   Bud   Chicaleee@aol.com wrote:   > Bud, on one organ I played in a UMC, there was a 9 rank Moeller with no > presets, no expression or crescendo pedal, all had to be terraced = dynamics. > It was 2 manual and had AGO pedals, and a terrific full organ sound, = with > everything turned on. But it was quite a challenge every Sunday = changing the > registration to fit the music. I am much more comfortable playing the = Allen > 300C now at the SBC here, although there is no way to get a pipe organ = sound, > even if I am told that is what is wanted. More often than is = comfortable, > the MD asks for a "Hammond" sound for the gospel choral music. I just = use a > flute chorus (2', 4', 8') and tremolo, and he is happy. I think I = mentioned > this on another post. If anyone here is familiar with the Allen 300C > cardreader, I would appreciate any advice on registration. Although I = have > been playing for over 50 years, I appreciate all the advice I can get. = Lee > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: notebooks - advice on registration requested. From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:15:09 EDT   Thanks so much, Bud. My music director will thank you also. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad? From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:44:53 EDT     --part1_7b.1d0975f3.29078525_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/23/2001 4:13:07 AM Central Daylight Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes:     > I have recently heard about a church in my community that was about to = build > a large, new sanctuary.   Could this possibly have been a "Baptist" church? That's where I ran into = a similar situation.   --part1_7b.1d0975f3.29078525_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/23/2001 4:13:07 AM Central Daylight Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have recently = heard about a church in my community that was about to build a large, new = sanctuary. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Could this possibly have been a "Baptist" church? &nbsp;That's where I = ran into a similar situation. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_7b.1d0975f3.29078525_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members, not good, or not too bad? From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:51:38 EDT   Yes it was certainly a baptist church! What other! <G> Oh well, I guess they try... thanks josh white  
(back) Subject: Re: my recent illness, and the Rector's response (X-posted) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:58:07 EDT     --part1_dc.de428e9.2907883f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Churches CAN be sued for termination due to illness, particularly = congestive heart failure.   The sad part is, they CANNOT be sued for rector's failure to have heart.       --part1_dc.de428e9.2907883f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Churches CAN be sued for termination due to illness, particularly = congestive heart failure. <BR> <BR>The sad part is, they CANNOT be sued for rector's failure to have = heart. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.de428e9.2907883f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Hammond card for Allen From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:43:54 -0700   This from GBorgan:         I remember a card called "Sine Mixture" which was a very pure Hammond like ensemble. But if she is thinking more like a single 8' drawbar tone, I don't know.   Some old computer organs have an "attack" switch which will make the flutes pop almost like a Hammond. Maybe that's all she needs if it has it.   G    
(back) Subject: Organists serving in other denominations (Was The NOT GOOD thread) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:24:18 -0500   MANDY SAID:   I enjoyed your comments, Jeff, as this is something I've been stewing = over. I grew up in the Church of Christ, which, as y'all probably know, tends to have strictly a cappella services. If I take a job at, say, a Catholic church, I won't be "allowed" to take communion, and the services will be foreign to me. How does one worship, in the traditional sense, in that = kind of situation?   I REPLY:   Mandy...thanks for your comments. I have pondered that question myself, actually, about what I'd do if I ever joined a non-Lutheran church. Fortunately, my recent changed kept me in the Lutheran world, albeit it in the ELCA instead of the MO Synod, in which I was raised. Also fortunately for me, I feel comfortable in this particular ELCA congregation for a = couple of reasons: 1- I don't see much doctrinal difference in what I've been taught, if any. I'm sure there's an argument behind that from other = people, but honestly, I don't see it. I know the political disagreements = involved. The other reason is that the pastor is former MO Synod, so I know his background will carry forward in his ministry. But then, I also believe what it says in Romans, and therefore, I don't get caught up in all the disagreements. (Show me where it says in the Bible anything about HOW to take communion and who WITH!)   But, Mandy, as you pointed out in your example, how would one worship in another denomination? I guess I can't answer that one too easily since = I'm not in that. However, I imagine that I'd simply say "I don't agree" in my mind, but continue to support their ministry in music, since that is what = I was hired to do. I would, on the other hand, make a much STRONGER point about going to my home church.   :-)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: organists as church members, not good! From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:26:19 -0500   Excellent points, John! You stated what I was trying to say, only better. My point was, be a member of don't...but that doesn't mean you have to be inactive or non-participating. :-)   Jeff      
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Recordings Question... From: "Bruce Behnke" <behnke@lvcm.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:17:03 -0700   The Paul Fritts magnum opus at PLU is tuned to Kellner. Loftrecordings has several disks available of that instrument.   Check out:   http://www.loftrecordings.com/   Bruce    
(back) Subject: RE: Harry's lack of organization (was Re: organists as church members) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:37:43 -0500   > There is no excuse for piston dependency!! > (separate soapbox)   >I was not aware that "resetting a general or two" was piston dependency. <snip> I will immediately seek out and join the local chapter of "The = Piston Dependancy Support Group."     Harry, let me know when the meeting is, and I'll join you. :-D   Jeff   PS: If pistons are so horrible, why are they on most EP organs??    
(back) Subject: Degree question (X-Posted) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:40:40 -0500   I have a question regarding church music degrees.   If one was to pursue a music degree, in your opinion, what is the better = way to go for a church musician, who also may want to teach college-level courses?   Starting with Bachelor's degree...would a Organ Performance degree serve better for the resume, or just a plain BA in Music?   The Masters degree is not really in question...since there is a Masters in Church Music out there.   What has worked best for YOU?   Thanks in advance! Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: Degree question (X-Posted) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:02:37 EDT     --part1_10f.71e4bff.2907a56d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   On the bachelor level: organ performance is okay, but music education = isn't bad either. Why? Because you learn so much about how to teach and about other instruments (which church musicians should know).   Many colleges prefer persons who have taught in public schools prior to teaching at the collegiate level.   The music business is not easy. Regardless of talent, one must pay = his/her dues and network, network, network. Studying is only part of the picture.   Get a good church job during college and learn all you can.   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ USA   --part1_10f.71e4bff.2907a56d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>On the bachelor level: &nbsp;organ performance is okay, but music = education isn't bad either. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because you learn so much = about how to teach and about other instruments (which church musicians = should know). &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Many colleges prefer persons who have taught in public schools prior = to teaching at the collegiate level. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The music business is not easy. &nbsp;Regardless of talent, one must = pay his/her dues and network, network, network. &nbsp;Studying is only = part of the picture. <BR> <BR>Get a good church job during college and learn all you can. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Barnegat, NJ USA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10f.71e4bff.2907a56d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Degree question (X-Posted) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:18:57 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C15C21.78AA7E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks, Neil! I should have mentioned that I've had 20 years experience = in church music, and the last 12 of that directing the choirs. How does that affect what you've said below?   Thanks again!! Jeff   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Innkawgneeto@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:03 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Degree question (X-Posted)     On the bachelor level: organ performance is okay, but music education = isn't bad either. Why? Because you learn so much about how to teach and about other instruments (which church musicians should know).   Many colleges prefer persons who have taught in public schools prior to teaching at the collegiate level.   The music business is not easy. Regardless of talent, one must pay = his/her dues and network, network, network. Studying is only part of the picture.   Get a good church job during college and learn all you can.   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ USA   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C15C21.78AA7E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D630021805-24102001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Thanks, Neil!&nbsp; I should have mentioned that I've had 20 = =3D years=3D20 experience in church music, and the last 12 of that directing the =3D choirs.&nbsp;=3D20 How does that affect what you've said below?<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D630021805-24102001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Thanks=3D20 again!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D630021805-24102001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D630021805-24102001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></SPAN> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Innkawgneeto@cs.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 11:03=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Degree =3D question=3D20 (X-Posted)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>On the=3D20 bachelor level: &nbsp;organ performance is okay, but music education =3D isn't bad=3D20 either. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because you learn so much about how to teach =3D and about=3D20 other instruments (which church musicians should know). &nbsp; =3D <BR><BR>Many=3D20 colleges prefer persons who have taught in public schools prior to =3D teaching at=3D20 the collegiate level. &nbsp; <BR><BR>The music business is not easy.=3D20 &nbsp;Regardless of talent, one must pay his/her dues and network, =3D network,=3D20 network. &nbsp;Studying is only part of the picture. <BR><BR>Get a good = =3D church=3D20 job during college and learn all you can. <BR><BR>Neil Brown =3D <BR>Barnegat, NJ=3D20 USA</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C15C21.78AA7E00--    
(back) Subject: Re: organists as church members(juggling hymnals?) From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:34:51 -0700   >Ron, I use the same method. However, every Sunday the Music Director = comes >up with something to add, so I keep some empty plastic page slips in the back >of the notebook just in case, as well as having the hymnal handy.   I have a service book that I made up with the entire service in it, in the order of its occurrance. When I set up the rack, I generally put the postlude on first, then "the book", then the prelude, and take them off as its done. I find it makes it easier for me to concentrate on what I'm doing, since I don't have to worry about what book or response is next. I do have several hymnals on hand though, just in case, and for "fuel" for improvising.   This works for me, but not everyone would like it. Whatever works for a person is what they should do, I'd think.   D