PipeChat Digest #2454 - Thursday, October 25, 2001
 
Crescendo pedal
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: MIDI problem.
  by "Jerry Riddle" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: The Crescendo Crutch
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2451 - 10/24/01
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: The Crescendo Crutch
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: crescendo/tutti
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Piston dependency
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: crescendo/tutti
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Piston dependency
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Crescendo pedals
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Crescendo pedal From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:36:13 -0700   As I recall, old Aeolian organs had a crescendo pedal they called "Tonal" = .. what I don't recall was whether or not they went to full organ ... there = was a "sfortzando" pedal as well, at least on the one I played.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Elms wrote:   > Pretty harsh words, Jeff. Why should the crescendo pedal be left out? > Maybe you don't like them , but so what? > > The only organs I have seen with such a device in recent years have > programmable crescendo pedals, and as such they are very useful. > > The first of these I saw was on a cathedral organ in West OZ, but it was > called a sforzando pedal - the organ was of 1903 vintage. > Bob Elms. > > J > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI problem. From: "Jerry Riddle" <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:34:10 -0400   Bob,   Do you have the midi output of your keyboard set for channel one and the corresponding software set for the same channel which would be one as well. (can be from 1-16 as long as they are the same)   Also go to my computer right click on it and then look for ? marks in the midi section. Chances are it's something very simple. I'm assuming the multimedia software for your soundcard/midi port has been loaded.   The other place to look is in the control panel multi media section of the computer to see if everything is set correctly. If the software is not 98 compatible just go download a trail version of any popular software such as Cakewalk to see if that communicates correctly with the organ. Then you will know if its a software issue. Hope that helps a little, good luck.   Last but not least - what is an AG portable organ haven't heard of one before.   Bob Elms wrote:   > I have an AG portable organ, model H6, which is MIDI compatible. I have > been trying to connect it to my computer so that I can use it to play > MIDI files and write in notation organ music played on it. Should be a > darned sight easier than to laboriously "mouse" it in. I am using > Noteworthy which has MIDI compatibility. And I have the correct cable > which fits the MIDI port on the computer and the IN and OUT MIDI ports > on the organ. > Setting up the AG is easy but still no joy. No communication between > the computer and the organ. There are instructions in the HELP files of > the computer, but they don't seem to make sense. I have done all they > say but some of the instructions don't seem to fit the computer - maybe > they are for WIN95. I am using WIN98. > The computer is a Pentium 3, with 64 mB of RAM and a 6 Gig HDD. > Noteworthy works very well with the mouse, and all the features seem to > be working very well. Any ideas anyone? > The AG is great. Good organ sound and very useful. I'd love to have one > of the archive units too but I have to call a halt somewhere!! > Bob Elms. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: The Crescendo Crutch From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:10:16 EDT     --part1_6b.1c9149ee.29099368_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/24/01 9:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brentmj@swbell.net writes:     > This afternoon I was assisting a new organist in getting familiar with > her new all-digital Wicks-Walker organ. She was not what most of us = would > call a "trained" organist, and she told me she plays mainly by ear.   I remember, as a child, a new three manual Moller being installed in a = local church. All three divisions were enclosed in separate swell boxes. The =   morning service and the afternoon recital were played by a name artist. = I missed the morning service, but did hear the afternoon recital. I wanted = to hear the organ in worship, so I went back for the evening service. The organist had been used to playing the old Baldwin-5 with one swell show = and was apparently boggled by being faced with FOUR shoes on the new organ. = All through the service he used the shoe on the extreme right (alas, the Crescendo pedal) as the volume pedal. Throughout the service, hymns, anthems, solos, and voluntaries, the organ went from his relatively quiet registration of 8 and 4 flutes, strings, and principals to reeds and = mixtures popping in and out. His letter of resignation hit the choir director's = desk on Monday morning, and he was hospitalized for several weeks with a = nervous breakdown.   Perhaps there should be a "Crescendo pedal" off switch!   Bill Barnard at Christ Church Cathedral was a master as using the = Crescendo pedal for hymns and anthems. That and being a piston-whiz were two very exciting aspects of his teaching for which I'm very grateful.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_6b.1c9149ee.29099368_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/24/01 9:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brentmj@swbell.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This afternoon I = was assisting a new organist in getting familiar with <BR>her new all-digital Wicks-Walker organ. &nbsp;She was not what most of = us would <BR>call a "trained" organist, and she told me she plays mainly by ear. = &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I remember, as a child, a new three manual Moller being installed in a = local church. &nbsp;&nbsp;All three divisions were enclosed in separate = swell boxes. &nbsp;&nbsp;The morning service and the afternoon recital = were played by a name artist. &nbsp;&nbsp;I missed the morning service, = but did hear the afternoon recital. &nbsp;I wanted to hear the organ in = worship, so I went back for the evening service. &nbsp;&nbsp;The organist = had been used to playing the old Baldwin-5 with one swell show and was = apparently boggled by being faced with FOUR shoes on the new organ. = &nbsp;&nbsp;All through the service he used the shoe on the extreme right = (alas, the Crescendo pedal) as the volume pedal. &nbsp;Throughout the = service, hymns, anthems, solos, and voluntaries, the organ went from his = relatively quiet registration of 8 and 4 flutes, strings, and principals = to reeds and mixtures popping in and out. &nbsp;His letter of resignation = hit the choir director's desk on Monday morning, and he was h <BR> <BR>Perhaps there should be a "Crescendo pedal" off switch! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Bill Barnard at Christ Church Cathedral was a master as using the = Crescendo pedal for hymns and anthems. &nbsp;&nbsp;That and being a = piston-whiz were two very exciting aspects of his teaching for which I'm very grateful. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.1c9149ee.29099368_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2451 - 10/24/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:13:57 EDT     --part1_159.2fcc1e7.29099445_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/24/01 9:36:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ken_earl01@hotmail.com writes:     > The 'Tutti' "button" is usually programmed on a pipe organ to equal the = last > stage of the crescendo pedal. On pipe organs, the crescendo is = (usually) > fitted with a 'soft stops off' device, so that the louder combinations = are > pure diapason chorii (with reeds where applicable). >   Being "old", I've never played an organ with the "soft stops off" device = on the Crescendo pedal, so I've always had it set without celestes and really =   soft stops. Additionally, I had it set so that the mixtures were last = and without large chorus reeds (the Oboe came on before the mixtures, and sometimes the Swell Trumpet if there were others). I've found the = "Tutti" very handy when set with only reeds at 16 8 and 4, and possibly principals = to strengthen if necessary. This is especially hand if I wanted to play a stanza of a hymn with just reeds, or wanted a reed "ventil" for Franck.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_159.2fcc1e7.29099445_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/24/01 9:36:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ken_earl01@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The 'Tutti' = "button" is usually programmed on a pipe organ to equal the last <BR>stage of the crescendo pedal. &nbsp;On pipe organs, the crescendo is = (usually) <BR>fitted with a 'soft stops off' device, so that the louder combinations = are <BR>pure diapason chorii (with reeds where applicable). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Being "old", I've never played an organ with the "soft stops off" = device on the Crescendo pedal, so I've always had it set without celestes = and really soft stops. &nbsp;&nbsp;Additionally, I had it set so that the = mixtures were last and without large chorus reeds (the Oboe came on before = the mixtures, and sometimes the Swell Trumpet if there were others). = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've found the "Tutti" very handy when set with only = reeds at 16 8 and 4, and possibly principals to strengthen if necessary. = &nbsp;&nbsp;This is especially hand if I wanted to play a stanza of a hymn = with just reeds, or wanted a reed "ventil" for Franck. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_159.2fcc1e7.29099445_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: The Crescendo Crutch From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:15:47 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C15D70.4E2EE120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Of course mine is a digital my organ has a crescendo off button. Or = rather, in order to use the crescendo pedal you have to push a button withe C on = it.   Perhaps there should be a "Crescendo pedal" off switch!       ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C15D70.4E2EE120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D695261416-25102001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Of course mine is a digital my organ has a crescendo off button. Or rather, in order = to use the crescendo pedal you have to push a button withe C on it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Perhaps there should be = a "Crescendo pedal" off switch!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = <BR><BR></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C15D70.4E2EE120--  
(back) Subject: Re: crescendo/tutti From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:20:24 EDT     --part1_73.14f69668.290995c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/24/01 11:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > Now, I DID have one thing changed IMMEDIATELY: and that was to remove = the > Terz 1-3/5 from both items. That only belongs on Solo registrations, = IMHO. >   EEEEK! Jeff! Aren't you in a Lutheran church???? The chorus tierce = is SO "Lutheran". Granted, it took me a good while to learn to appreciate = it, but I really like it now, especially in unequal temperament (heh heh heh = )!   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_73.14f69668.290995c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/24/01 11:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now, I DID have = one thing changed IMMEDIATELY: &nbsp;and that was to remove the <BR>Terz 1-3/5 from both items. &nbsp;That only belongs on Solo = registrations, IMHO. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>EEEEK! &nbsp;&nbsp;Jeff! &nbsp;Aren't you in a Lutheran church???? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The chorus tierce is SO "Lutheran". = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Granted, it took me a good while to learn to appreciate = it, but I really like it now, especially in unequal temperament (heh heh = heh )! <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_73.14f69668.290995c8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Piston dependency From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:22:34 EDT     --part1_153.2fc5465.2909964a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/24/01 11:24:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gedeckt@usit.net writes:     > > Having grown up playing a Robert Morton 2/4 Theater Organ at a Catholic > church [since abandoned and rescued, refinished and totally restored > with a loving owner now] >   um... heeheehee The organ or the church....???? ;-)   > A recent Rodgers console design has dual expression pedals, no > crescendo, possibly a sign of things to come. This particular instrument > does however permit configuring the instrument for use with an exposed > Great division of pipes [or digital for practice in preparation for > performing on an exposed Great instrument], assigning the Swell to the > Left Expression Pedal...and the right becomes a Crescendo. So it's not > completely gone. >   This might be a very good place for a "crescendo pedal" on or off switch. Any chance it's "hidden" in there??   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_153.2fc5465.2909964a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/24/01 11:24:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gedeckt@usit.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>Having grown up playing a Robert Morton 2/4 Theater Organ at a = Catholic <BR>church [since abandoned and rescued, refinished and totally restored <BR>with a loving owner now] <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">um... heeheehee &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The organ or = the church....???? &nbsp;;-) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">A recent Rodgers console design has dual expression pedals, no <BR>crescendo, possibly a sign of things to come. This particular = instrument <BR>does however permit configuring the instrument for use with an exposed <BR>Great division of pipes [or digital for practice in preparation for <BR>performing on an exposed Great instrument], assigning the Swell to the <BR>Left Expression Pedal...and the right becomes a Crescendo. So it's not <BR>completely gone. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This might be a very good place for a "crescendo pedal" on or off = switch. <BR>Any chance it's "hidden" in there?? <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_153.2fc5465.2909964a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: crescendo/tutti From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:36:34 EDT     --part1_83.11ef946b.29099992_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/25/01 10:30:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > I've always been curious-- what is the rationale for leaving reeds off = the > crescendo pedal?   I think it depends upon the reeds in the organ. Back in the 50s when I = was a kid, the Crescendo pedal was flues and the Sforzando was Crescendo + = reeds. We weren't allowed to ask questions!   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_83.11ef946b.29099992_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/25/01 10:30:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always been = curious-- what is the rationale for leaving reeds off the <BR>crescendo pedal? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I think it depends upon the reeds in the organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Back = in the 50s when I was a kid, the Crescendo pedal was flues and the = Sforzando was Crescendo + reeds. &nbsp;&nbsp;We weren't allowed to ask = questions! <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_83.11ef946b.29099992_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Piston dependency From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:48:32 -0500   Did I miss something here? I never said it should be left out. I said I don't see why it COULDN'T be, but frankly, I have use for it on occasion. Every organ I've ever played had one...   Respectfully, Jeff     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bob Elms Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 6:18 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Piston dependency     Pretty harsh words, Jeff. Why should the crescendo pedal be left out? Maybe you don't like them , but so what?   The only organs I have seen with such a device in recent years have programmable crescendo pedals, and as such they are very useful.   The first of these I saw was on a cathedral organ in West OZ, but it was called a sforzando pedal - the organ was of 1903 vintage. Bob Elms.   J     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Crescendo pedals From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:45:29 -0400   Bud writes:   >To my way of thinking, the crescendo pedal is VERY useful (essential?) in romantic Anglican service-playing and accompanying, where the basic sound = is massed 8' stops, and you want to be able to shade the VOLUME of the basic sound, while maintaining a legato with both hands on the keyboard(s).   If/when it helps, I wouldn't decry it. But we should remember that the crescendo pedal is primarily a German and American device. In the heyday = of the style you are describing, many British church and cathedral organs did not have it. They also might have few if any general pistons. Instead, their organists were (and are) wizards with divisional pistons. The use = of these was so important that sometimes the swell thumb pistons were duplicated with toe studs either permanently, or via a switch the toe = studs for the pedal division could become swell pistons instead. Thus they = could hold forth superbly, even though, at the appropriate moments, a duly = trained choir of men and boys can soar above much more organ than most mixed = choirs. Our mixed choir of about 16 at S. George's is relatively capable and full-throated, but full swell alone would overpower them.   A lovely feature of this environment is the role given to the organ in the best anthems and service settings. They have been described as chamber music for choir and organ, in that all participants are co-equal and must know when and where they have melodic lines, when and where they are = mainly harmonic or accompanimental, and always how their parts fit into the = whole; and their roles can change subtly from moment to moment. The organ tends not to double the voices (how seldom now can we find an American anthem whose organ part doesn't begin there and seldom venture beyond it!) but = is independent, and brief solo lines are frequent. Therefore, one must think in terms of more than one manual. When you are playing on two manuals = with contrasting registrations, use of the crescendo pedal becomes more problematic.   You are quite right to add the oboe rather early (and fortunate when its voicing makes this smooth enough). Peter Richard Conte certainly would agree. When he designed a new console for the organ at Washington = Memorial Chapel, Valley Forge, he put the oboe drawknob below that of the swell mixture, explaining that this position reflected its usual use in a crescendo and hence would be more convenient than if it were with the = other reeds. (Another reason why I don't understand the reedless crescendo = pedal idea).   Paul Emmons