PipeChat Digest #2459 - Friday, October 26, 2001
 
Re: The Crescendo Crutch
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: stop tabs
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: tierces in chorus mixtures
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re[2]: The Crescendo Crutch
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
Re: Hammond card for Allen
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: MIDI problem.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Piston dependency
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: MIDI problem.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: rollschweller/crescendo/free combinations
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: MIDI Problem.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: MIDI problem.
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
ALL READ
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: The Crescendo Crutch
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The Crescendo Crutch From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:57:27 -0500   "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > >Perhaps there should be a "Crescendo pedal" off switch! > > There should probably be a crescendo-pedal-off associated with general > cancel.   Some Aeolian organs I know, including the very fine 1931 pitman Aeolian organ at Memorial Presbyterian Church in St. Louis, actually have a crescendo pedal that is cancelled by the General Cancel piston. There is = a large pneumatic which physically moves the Crescendo Pedal. It can give = you a nasty surprise if your foot happens to be on the Crescendo Pedal and you are not expecting it!   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: stop tabs From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:10:10 EDT   I have a Moller Artiste in my home like the one Bud refers to. It was = built in 1948 and consists of Diapason Conique, Gedeckt, and Salicional. The 16' =   Bourdon consists of real, stopped, wooden pipes that are mitered and fit nicely into the case. When I obtained this organ in 1975, the stop keys, = name plate, etc. were all crystalized. They would just crumble in your hand. I = was told that all Moller tabs made shortly after WWII did this. I replaced all =   the tabs with new OSI units, and Moller sent me a new nameplate free = (along with a history of the organ).   In 26 years this organ has ciphered once and still contains the original leather. It just keeps on goin', and goin', and goin'...   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: tierces in chorus mixtures From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:06:29 -0500   "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > >I seem to recall that Father Willis was rather fond of the tierce = chorus > mixture   Not just Willis. Before the twentieth century tierce mixtures were pretty well universal in England. In the eighteenth century a Sesquialtera III 17-19-22 mixture, breaking back to 12-25-17 by about middle C was pretty well standard, together with a Cornet III 12-15-17 as the Swell or Echo chorus mixture. (There would generally be a solo Mounted Cornet V on the Great as well.) With unequal temperaments on organs before the late nineteenth century, of course, these would not sound nearly as reedy as = they do with equal temperament today.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re[2]: The Crescendo Crutch From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:26:44 +1000   I've been falling about laughing at this thread as I always do whenever = the subject comes up.   If you have been taught the "English" system of registering with = divisionals (plus good old great and pedal pistons coupled), the crescendo pedal = becomes totally unnecessary even on the largest of instruments.   And the stops get added when YOU want them, not when the crescendo pedal = wants to add them.   But then I recall David Drury from down here trying to explain this = system on another list a few years ago and being met with total incomprehension. = Pity really.       --   Regards,   Roger       Roger Brown mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond card for Allen From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:47:39 EDT     --part1_24.1b4c1a5d.290a1abb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/25/01 1:07:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes:     > . But no where on these brown cards was > Allen organ company ever reffered to. Of course on the other ones, the > ones > with the colors, Allen organ was written on the cards. > I take it that these cards were easily copied, but surely they are > copywrited? >   Possibly, but not necessarily. When I played a 600 series (3m) there was = a computer genius/musician in the choir who was quite accomplished at = sitting down with me, hearing my critique of a stop, and then taking that back to = his computer and coming up with the perfect sound. We had an entire set of cards made. Of course, there were a few "percussion" stops which were recycled telephone bills. I once played a recital and in the bulletin announcement requested that each person bring a computer "bill" with them. = A good time was had by all.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_24.1b4c1a5d.290a1abb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/25/01 1:07:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. &nbsp;But no = where on these brown cards was <BR>Allen organ company ever reffered to. &nbsp;Of course on the other = ones, the ones <BR>with the colors, Allen organ was written on the cards. <BR>I take it that these cards were easily copied, but surely they are <BR>copywrited? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Possibly, but not necessarily. &nbsp;&nbsp;When I played a 600 series = (3m) there was a computer genius/musician in the choir who was quite = accomplished at sitting down with me, hearing my critique of a stop, and = then taking that back to his computer and coming up with the perfect = sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;We had an entire set of cards made. &nbsp;&nbsp;Of = course, there were a few "percussion" stops which were recycled telephone = bills. &nbsp;I once played a recital and in the bulletin announcement = requested that each person bring a computer "bill" with them. = &nbsp;&nbsp;A good time was had by all. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_24.1b4c1a5d.290a1abb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI problem. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:54:07 -0700   The Sound card is a Soundblaster and has a MIDI port on it. It should be OK. Bob Elms.   ContraReed@aol.com wrote: >   > Does the computer have a "real" sound card, or is it just a chip on the > motherboard?    
(back) Subject: Re: Piston dependency From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:55:12 EDT     --part1_2b.1d3e6ce9.290a1c80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   thoehn@theatreorgans.com (Tom Hoehn) wrote: The church that I play at (First United Methodist Church, Clearwater,FL) = has a small Rodgers 2m in the chapel. =3D=3D=3D   Tom, Any chance you have a 3m Reuter in the sanctuary (rear gallery??)?   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_2b.1d3e6ce9.290a1c80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = SIZE=3D2>thoehn@theatreorgans.com (Tom Hoehn) wrote: <BR> <BR>The church that I play at (First United Methodist Church, = Clearwater,FL) has a small Rodgers 2m in the chapel. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">=3D=3D=3D <BR> <BR>Tom, <BR>Any chance you have a 3m Reuter in the sanctuary (rear gallery??)? <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2b.1d3e6ce9.290a1c80_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI problem. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:55:52 -0700   Not quite sure what you're saying here, Ron. 64 mb is more than enough for the program. No problem there. MIDI is already in there as part of WIN98. Bob E.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I do know Midi might take a lot of room on the HD and 128MB of > memory would help too. What are the system needs on the > box containing the progam for midi? > > Ron > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: rollschweller/crescendo/free combinations From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:59:16 EDT     --part1_122.666bda9.290a1d74_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/25/01 2:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > There > were little lights in a row that lit up one at a time from left to right = as > one opened further the crescendo. In fact, I think they were there for = the > Swell shades as well on the Choir, Swell and Solo divisions. But that = was a > great feature to know that the crescendo was up 1/4 or 1/2 or 3/4 or = however > much open. >   Austin is very considerate that way. They also used to do a little = roller for each enclosed division, much like a thermometer.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_122.666bda9.290a1d74_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/25/01 2:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There <BR>were little lights in a row that lit up one at a time from left to = right as <BR>one opened further the crescendo. In fact, I think they were there for = the <BR>Swell shades as well on the Choir, Swell and Solo divisions. But that = was a <BR>great feature to know that the crescendo was up 1/4 or 1/2 or 3/4 or = however <BR>much open. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Austin is very considerate that way. &nbsp;&nbsp;They also used to do = a little roller for each enclosed division, much like a thermometer. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_122.666bda9.290a1d74_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Problem. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:11:17 -0700   That was one problem JOshua, now fixed but still no joy. Bob E.   "Joshua F. Edwards" wrote: > > Bob, > > on my last computer I had to connect the Midi In Cable to the Midi Out = on my keyboard and vice versa before it would work with Finale.    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI problem. From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:21:15 -0700   Thank you for the advice Noel. I did have the cables transposed. I have fixed that, and I have the device correctly named in Multimedia devices. I have come to a dead end.I am wondering if the computer people installed all the devices when making up the computer. They missed the FAX and could have missed other things. Regards, Bob Elms    
(back) Subject: ALL READ From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:40:16 -0500   OK, Folks.   We've tried the subtle approach...we've tried the not-quite-as-subtle = approach.   All seem to have failed. Miserably.   So, we'll try the next level. Naming names, and being rude.   ROBERT COLASACCO BUD CLARK PAUL EMMONS (these 3 simply representing today's egregious offenders...there are more names that could be easily included in this list..., if I looked back a = day or two in the Archives)   The List Administrators hereby command you to EDIT EXTRANEOUS TEXT from your replies to Pipechat. Also, to make a HABIT of doing so. EVERY time you send something to the List.   Failure to do so will result in your earning a free vacation (possibly permanently) from the List.   End of story. Period.   DO IT!!!!!!!   We are VERY serious about this -- for the named names, AND EVERYONE ELSE. It is positively RIDICULOUS for messages to appear on the List with 4, 5, or 6 footers following (not to mention all the rest of the pointless regurgitation). Those that insist on continuing this behavior are showing their complete and utter disregard for all other Listmembers -- and we are sick and tired of dealing with it. Editing one's own postings is NOT THAT DIFFICULT!!!   SO -- are we all clear now...?   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Admin <admin@pipechat.org> (with finger on the <delete subscriber> button...)   PS, to the majority of subscribers, who do tend to follow the rules and be considerate of fellow Listmembers:   Please disregard this rant. Your Administrators are truly grateful for your cooperation. Those that really need to hear this message will (hopefully) recognize themselves. If they don't -- they'll be gone soon.                  
(back) Subject: RE: The Crescendo Crutch From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:45:35 -0500   Well, that too. In most organs I've ever played, there was a green indicator light, usually on the nameboard, which was lit if the crescendo pedal was "activated."   Jeff   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:12 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: The Crescendo Crutch     Which means, what, the Toilette is occupied?     >Oh yeah, the little Green Light IS on!!! LOL   Jeff