PipeChat Digest #2460 - Friday, October 26, 2001
 
Tim's "fireside chat"
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Piston dependency
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Tim's "fireside chat"
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
David's Soapbox....
  by "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Mistake....
  by "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
RE: tierces in chorus mixtures / an early crescendo mechanism
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Tim's "fireside chat"
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
RE: Tim's "fireside chat"
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: ALL READ
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: tierces in chorus mixtures
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Re[2]: The Crescendo Crutch
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2451 - 10/24/01
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Tim's "fireside chat" From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:27:36 -0700   I don't claim to be as computer-literate as most of the folks on here, but I REALLY, honestly and truly don't understand what my alleged transgression is.   I went back through all the messages I'd sent to pipechat since the last time I emptied my trash ... I couldn't see but a handful that had ANY sig line, and only a couple that had dup sig lines. Messages that had ORIGINATED with me had NO sig line; messages that I answered mostly didn't either, because I routinely remove them before I reply. I think I found TWO that did.   Am I missing something here? Does my mail program or the pipechat server do something I'm not aware of?   Is that even what Tim was TALKING about?   I haven't a clue ...   Does it REALLY cost people who have to pay for their online time THAT much more to download a message with extensive quotes and/or multiple sig lines?   Or is this just another netfetish?   Genuinely puzzled,   Bud-by-the-Beach    
(back) Subject: Re: Piston dependency From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:38:21 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C15DF1.30295080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Nope -=3D20 Ain't got no Reuter's at First Methodist. It's a Wicks/Ruffati/Rodgers = =3D in the main sanctuary. (I changed churches 3 months ago). =3D20 Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL Royalty Theatre, Clearwater, FL First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Piston dependency     thoehn@theatreorgans.com (Tom Hoehn) wrote:=3D20   The church that I play at (First United Methodist Church, =3D Clearwater,FL) has a small Rodgers 2m in the chapel. =3D20 =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D20   Tom,=3D20 Any chance you have a 3m Reuter in the sanctuary (rear gallery??)?=3D20   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C15DF1.30295080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Nope - </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ain't got no Reuter's at First =3D Methodist.&nbsp;=3D20 It's a Wicks/Ruffati/Rodgers in the main sanctuary. (I changed churches = =3D 3 months=3D20 ago).&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV>Tom Hoehn, Organist<BR>Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL<BR>Royalty Theatre, = =3D   Clearwater, FL<BR>First United Methodist Church, Clearwater,=3D20 FL<BR>CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn">http://theatreorgans.com/tomho= =3D ehn</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, =3D 2001 9:55=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Piston =3D dependency</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:thoehn@theatreorgans.com">thoehn@theatreorgans.com</A> = =3D (Tom=3D20 Hoehn) wrote: <BR><BR>The church that I play at (First United =3D Methodist=3D20 Church, Clearwater,FL) has a small Rodgers 2m in the chapel.=3D20 &nbsp;</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">=3D20 <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 = =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D20 <BR><BR>Tom, <BR>Any chance you have a 3m Reuter in the sanctuary =3D (rear=3D20 gallery??)? <BR><BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres = at=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/B= =3D rucon502/</A>=3D20 <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ =3D &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp;=3D20 <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, =3D Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C15DF1.30295080--      
(back) Subject: Re: Tim's "fireside chat" From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:06:52 -0400   Years ago, when I was using the original Prodigy ( the first internet service provider), you were alloted so many bytes of data that you could send/receive as free for e-mail and newsgroups. After reaching your = monthly allotment of bytes, you would be charged an upload/download fee for each additional byte of data. Now, this was years ago, my memory seems to tell me, perhaps 20 years or somewheres around that figure.   Some newsgroups do charge a monthly flat fee for accessing newsgroups, usually about $10/month for unlimited access, but ISP's charge mostly a = flat rate fee for the entire month of unlimited access, or some, like AT&T and Verizon, charge a fee that includes 150 hours of access time per month. = 150 hours divided by 30 days is 5 hours a day which I think is about average = for a hardcore internet user.   I'm honestly not sure if anyone pays by the byte anymore for = upload/download services for e-mail and newsgroups. Some webhosts charge according to = used bandwidth. though. I'm not sure if this is the issue at all.   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Does it REALLY cost people who have to pay for their online time THAT > much more to download a message with extensive quotes and/or multiple > sig lines?    
(back) Subject: David's Soapbox.... From: "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:09:28 -0400   I'm sorry but I don't remember any subtle "advice" or hint from David to = any of these people the past few days... unless he did it privately. David = gets mad at us for being rude, and he himself was very rude..... I find that untactful...   Josh in TN    
(back) Subject: Mistake.... From: "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:40:03 -0400   Sorry, David... I meant Tim.....    
(back) Subject: RE: tierces in chorus mixtures / an early crescendo mechanism From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:45:16 -0400   Not to mention, among many other pieces, O Mensch bewein, dein s=FCnde = gross, of the Orgelb=FCchlein. I play it about 3 times a day.   -     I often wish the same thing, Robert. First time I heard that huge = diminished chord + suspension at the end of the Adagio from his C Major Toccata, Adagio, and Fugue I almost passed right out. :o) If any of the organ = techs on this list can develop a time machine with left over bits of their great-auntie's hammond, let me know.   Mandy=20 -  
(back) Subject: Re: Tim's "fireside chat" From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:56:09 -0500   Well . . .   (1) I am very happy to see more "organic" discussion and technical information on the list in the last day or so. That was one of the = reasons I joined - to soak up more factual information that would help me = understand and be a better organist. So thank you all.   (2) I have been having major trouble with my phone lines for the last month. We have harrassed Sprint, but to no avail. Therefore, it may take as long as an hour to even get connected to the internet to get my e-mail, and then the connection may be terminated before I can download. This is terribly frustrating, and many times I am only able to get through once a day, and just hope that my mailbox doesn't overload and I don't get kicked off the lists.   So, I am much appreciative of Tim's underlying idea - when I actually make = a connection, every nanosecond counts - your regurgitation could be the = reason why I don't get 30-100 e-mails, some from the list, others regarding AGO business or lakeside recitals, others from family regarding my father-in-law's hospitalization.   I am checking into a second phone connection - we can't get a DSL or cable out here, and satellite runs about $100 per month (I'm not THAT addicted = to the internet). Although I don't have the time to sit for an hour to get = on the internet, I do enjoy all your e-mails when I get them.   And thank you, Tim - but if you need it, that Zoloft really helps.   Glenda Sutton (who must get her plants in before the projected frost = warning this weekend in Florida)      
(back) Subject: RE: Tim's "fireside chat" From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:59:35 -0400   Bud writes:   >I don't claim to be as computer-literate as most of the folks on here, but I REALLY, honestly and truly don't understand what my alleged transgression is.   Me either. Of the twelve messages I have sent to this list, in the eleven days since joining, I found one that was nothing but quotes from others. This was sent entirely by mistake, during a bit of bewilderment after discovering that on this list, "Reply" replies to the list; whereas on PIPORG-L "Reply" replies to the individual author. I defy anyone to point out another message from me that was full of appended quotes.   Microsoft Outlook automatically begins a reply by placing everything in = the previous message into the window below the cursor. By the time one = finishes writing, it may have become invisible. It is, indeed, not much trouble to delete it. However, it does require extraordinary presence of mind, in = that for most business e-mail this transcript of an entire conversation is = often useful, so most of us in this institution usually leave it there.   These are admittedly confusing and inefficient on a mailing list. In addition to the monetary cost to some receivers that Bud mentions, there = is the burden on the host computer, which is often an academic mainframe provided as a public service. Listservs etc. can consume a lot of resources, so list owners may be under pressure from that direction to minimize this however they can. Secondly, voluminous quotes etc. really bulk up and confuse a digest and = the process of searching archives for a desired text.   I'm sorry if a single offense constitutes "egregious." I strive to be careful and am embarrassed whenever see that I have failed; but I I'm = afraid it would be unrealistic to promise that will *never* happen again. So my offense (or defense) is that I'm a human newbie.   Paul Emmons    
(back) Subject: RE: ALL READ From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:15:36 -0400   I'd rather not be on a NAZI list. Do remove me. Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@pipechat.org] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:40 PM To: PipeChat Cc: admin@pipechat.org Subject: ALL READ     OK, Folks.   We've tried the subtle approach...we've tried the not-quite-as-subtle approach.   All seem to have failed. Miserably.   So, we'll try the next level. Naming names, and being rude.   ROBERT COLASACCO BUD CLARK PAUL EMMONS (these 3 simply representing today's egregious offenders...there are more names that could be easily included in this list..., if I looked back a = day or two in the Archives)   The List Administrators hereby command you to EDIT EXTRANEOUS TEXT from your replies to Pipechat. Also, to make a HABIT of doing so. EVERY time you send something to the List.   Failure to do so will result in your earning a free vacation (possibly permanently) from the List.   End of story. Period.   DO IT!!!!!!!   We are VERY serious about this -- for the named names, AND EVERYONE ELSE. It is positively RIDICULOUS for messages to appear on the List with 4, 5, or 6 footers following (not to mention all the rest of the pointless regurgitation). Those that insist on continuing this behavior are showing their complete and utter disregard for all other Listmembers -- and we are sick and tired of dealing with it. Editing one's own postings is NOT THAT DIFFICULT!!!   SO -- are we all clear now...?   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Admin <admin@pipechat.org> (with finger on the <delete subscriber> button...)   PS, to the majority of subscribers, who do tend to follow the rules and be considerate of fellow Listmembers:   Please disregard this rant. Your Administrators are truly grateful for your cooperation. Those that really need to hear this message will (hopefully) recognize themselves. If they don't -- they'll be gone soon.                   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: tierces in chorus mixtures From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:24:15 EDT     --part1_141.3a89b8f.290ada1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I remember how amazed i was the first time I used a Pilcher Dolce Cornet (1921) in chorus. It was so beautiful and not overbearing at all.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_141.3a89b8f.290ada1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I remember how amazed i = was &nbsp;the first time I used a Pilcher Dolce Cornet (1921) in chorus. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was so beautiful and not overbearing at all. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_141.3a89b8f.290ada1f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Crescendo Crutch From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:26:35 EDT     --part1_ce.1c67d0ad.290adaab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/26/01 12:43:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rbrown7@bigpond.net.au writes:     > If you have been taught the "English" system of registering with = divisionals > (plus good old great and pedal pistons coupled), the crescendo pedal = becomes > totally unnecessary even on the largest of instruments. > >   Again.... learned that with Bill Barnard at Christ Church Cathedral - Houston. Also, it's much more fun than using the cresc ped. Bill = always amazed me at what he could do...   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_ce.1c67d0ad.290adaab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/26/01 12:43:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rbrown7@bigpond.net.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If you have been = taught the "English" system of registering with divisionals <BR>(plus good old great and pedal pistons coupled), the crescendo pedal = becomes <BR>totally unnecessary even on the largest of instruments. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Again.... learned that with Bill Barnard at Christ Church Cathedral - = Houston. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, it's much more fun than using the cresc ped. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bill always amazed me at what he could do... <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_ce.1c67d0ad.290adaab_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2451 - 10/24/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:34:16 EDT     --part1_3f.b7092d.290adc78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/26/01 1:00:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > Normally a chest > is switched off so its primaries do not clack away unless any of the = stops > are actually in use, when it is turned on by a station switch. So there = you > would be on an old electo-pneumatic or electro-mechanical console in a = large > organ with the primaries of twenty odd chests all clacking away while a > single Aeoline was drawn.   Sigh.... this was one of my favorite combinations.... with 16 and 4 couplers!!! ;-) Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_3f.b7092d.290adc78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/26/01 1:00:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Normally a chest <BR>is switched off so its primaries do not clack away unless any of the = stops <BR>are actually in use, when it is turned on by a station switch. = &nbsp;So there you <BR>would be on an old electo-pneumatic or electro-mechanical console in a = large <BR>organ with the primaries of twenty odd chests all clacking away while = a <BR>single Aeoline was drawn. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Sigh.... this was one of my favorite combinations.... with 16 and 4 = couplers!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.b7092d.290adc78_boundary--