PipeChat Digest #2467 - Tuesday, October 30, 2001
 
Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module
  by "James A. Rice" <jamesarice@mpinet.net>
Re: Organists serving in other denominations
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Membership in the parish
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Re: Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Membership in the parish
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Organists serving in other denominations
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Membership in the parish
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re[2]: Membership in the parish
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
New Console Arrives
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
Re: Re[2]: Membership in the parish
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module From: "James A. Rice" <jamesarice@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:38:37 -0500   Has anyone had any experience good or bad on the Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module? Was planing to buy one of the Romantic Modules for my Johannus Prestige 30 Organ. Hopeing someone could tell me about the price of this module, and what dealer to buy from in Florida or other states. Phone Ahlborn-Galanti in Bensenville,Ill.which gave me two dealers in Florida. Their prices are a little high. Jim Rice  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists serving in other denominations From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:43:56 EST   The topic of organists being members of the congregations where they play = has been interesting, and the overall impression I get is totally different = from most of the churches and organists I'm familiar with. But in reading = some of these responses, I'm starting to wonder whether organists, either as a whole or individually, feel comfortable working in a church that has some basic belief differences from the organist. As a bassoonist, I am often called upon to play for concerts, services, musicals, etc. at different churches. I have no problem with accepting jobs from ELCA Lutherans (of which I am one), Methodists, Presbyterians (PCUSA), Episcopalians, = Brethren, Jewish, and Moravians. But I won't accept jobs at Baptist churches, Missouri Synod Lutheran, Presbyterian (PCA), Reformed Episcopal, Roman Catholic, or other which will not ordain women or allow me to take = communion. How do organists feel about this? Do they take the job and bite their tongue about the things they disagree with? Do they just see it as = another job, and not even worry about it? Just some things I've been curious = about since the other posts started.   Thanx   Richard   P.S. - At my church, they have voted to replace the console so far..... = lets see how much extra stuff they find out they have to do to restore the pipes/chests/sliders/blowers, etc. Maybe some people realize that it = might have been cheaper to just go ahead and buy a new digital and/orr restored pipe organ and have it done, knowing how much it would cost up front.  
(back) Subject: Re: Membership in the parish From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:52:32 EST     --part1_b4.de2c97.290f7e00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This is so different from any church where I played where I was expected = to join the church and take part in the activities. The rest of the staff = were also members, including the pastor. I did not know it was done any differently. Lee   --part1_b4.de2c97.290f7e00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is so different = from any church where I played where I was expected to join the church and = take part in the activities. &nbsp;The rest of the staff were also = members, including the pastor. &nbsp;I did not know it was done any = differently. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b4.de2c97.290f7e00_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:06:58 -0800   James,   There are 4 models to choose from, I haven't tried the Romantic, but do = have a 201. These modules are very versitile as to tuning, voicing etc.. Try Gerald Cluff at http://www.midi-organ.com   He should be able to answer all of your questions.   Vern Jones, Sound Research http://www.foothill.net/~soundres     "James A. Rice" wrote:   > Has anyone had any experience good or bad on the Ahlborn Romantic = Archive > Module? Was planing to buy one of the Romantic Modules for my Johannus > Prestige 30 Organ. Hopeing someone could tell me about the price of this > module, and what dealer to buy from in Florida or other states. Phone > Ahlborn-Galanti in Bensenville,Ill.which gave me two dealers in Florida. > Their prices are a little high. Jim Rice > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Romantic Archive Module From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:08:29 EST   Hi Jim   The price per module is $2,400 used and about $3,500 new. If you need amp and speakers and reverb twice that. They are polyphonic will work with your combination action, and any and all stops can be played simultaneously. Every stop is voiceable. They have a programable crescendo, and a built in sequencer. 6 or 7 temperments at 440 and 415Hrz. Order the pipe tracking. An Instruction book comes with, there are some coupler tricks that require a technicion to hook up. A kit can be ordered for remote placement of the module on a pipe organ console additional draw knobs can be added for a custom addition.   On our pipe organ, I also added a remote sequencer to play the entire organ like a player organ, another $750.00 total. You can record over two hours on a single IBM 3 1/2" floppy.   Contact me for any further questions. I have described these in previous posts.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Membership in the parish From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:21:44 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C16167.590C7940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear all, I've been "lurking", in the sense that I haven't taken in part in the =3D discussions here for the last few weeks since joining the List. As an clergyman (Anglican Church in New Zealand, not Episc.Church USA), = =3D and also an organist, I would not necessarily expect my organist to =3D become an Anglican if s/he wasn't already, but I would certainly expect = =3D him/her to be an active Christian. I've just retired and in my last =3D parish one of our leading organists was Presbyterian and the Music Group = =3D leader was Baptist - no problem with me, as by their constant attendance = =3D at worship in our parish church and by their involvement in parish =3D activities, they could be clearly be defined as "members". What is a =3D member? Someone who signs a book or goes through a ceremony, or someone = =3D who is active and regular in worship? To me, the active and regular =3D worshipping is the key issue. I could not have someone whose beliefs and outlook were not compatible, = =3D e.g. Mormon or Christian Science or Jewish. I cannot accept, you see, =3D that the first two are Christian at all, and the latter denies the =3D divinity of Christ. How do people find as Christians that they can play = =3D the organ in a synagogue, or how do Jews play in churches? I am really =3D curious, as the music is so much part of the worship that it is far more = =3D than just a job or a way of earning money. Love, Ross Wards (in New Zealand) -----Original Message----- From: Chicaleee@aol.com <Chicaleee@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 30 October 2001 16:53 Subject: Re: Membership in the parish     This is so different from any church where I played where I was =3D expected to join the church and take part in the activities. The rest =3D of the staff were also members, including the pastor. I did not know it = =3D was done any differently. Lee=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C16167.590C7940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Dear all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've been "lurking", in the sense that I haven't =3D taken in part=3D20 in the discussions here for the last few weeks since joining the=3D20 List.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>As an clergyman (Anglican Church in New Zealand, not = =3D   Episc.Church USA), and also an organist, I would not necessarily expect = =3D my=3D20 organist to become an Anglican if s/he wasn't already, but I would =3D certainly=3D20 expect him/her to be an active Christian. I've just retired and in my =3D last=3D20 parish one of our leading organists was Presbyterian and the Music Group = =3D leader=3D20 was Baptist - no problem with me, as by their constant attendance at =3D worship in=3D20 our parish church and by their involvement in parish&nbsp; activities, =3D they=3D20 could be clearly be defined as "members". What is a member? Someone who = =3D signs a=3D20 book or goes through a ceremony, or someone who is active and regular in = =3D   worship? To me, the active and regular worshipping is the key=3D20 issue.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I could not have someone whose beliefs and outlook = =3D were not=3D20 compatible, e.g. Mormon or Christian Science or Jewish. I cannot accept, = =3D you=3D20 see, that the first two are Christian at all, and the latter denies the = =3D divinity=3D20 of Christ. How do people find as Christians that they can play the organ = =3D in a=3D20 synagogue, or how do Jews play in churches? I am really curious, as the = =3D music is=3D20 so much part of the worship that it is far more than just a job or a way = =3D of=3D20 earning money.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Love,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross Wards (in New Zealand)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B><A href=3D3D"mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com">Chicaleee@aol.com</A> = &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com">Chicaleee@aol.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: = =3D </B><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> = &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>30 October 2001 16:53<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Membership in the=3D20 parish<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid"></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>This is so different from any = =3D church where I=3D20 played where I was expected to join the church and take part in the=3D20 activities. &nbsp;The rest of the staff were also members, including =3D the=3D20 pastor. &nbsp;I did not know it was done any differently. =3D &nbsp;Lee</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C16167.590C7940--      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists serving in other denominations From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:21:20 EST   Dear Richard   I don't think we want to get into who will allow people to take communion or ordaining women.We have had food fights over that before, and it's totally unproductive. These churches have taken their stand, accept it!   The first is a theological choice of the religious body mentioned, and the second is an aberation of the 80's 90's inclusiveness. These were breaks with tradition on the ordination of women dating from Old Testament Times. It has also spelled the close of a lot of churches. Don't tamper with tradition, and that is what it is, tampering.   Nuff Said,   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Membership in the parish From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:08:01 EST     --part1_fc.e4dbbe6.290f8fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/29/01 11:11:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > . How do people find as Christians that they can play the organ in a > synagogue, or how do Jews play in churches? I am really curious, as the > music is so much part of the worship that it is far more than just a job = or >   I guess to put it very simply, a good (church) musician simply learns the rules and then "plays the game." Or, to put it another way, ya don't = need to be a vegetarian to be able to make a broccoli casserole.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_fc.e4dbbe6.290f8fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/29/01 11:11:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. How do people = find as Christians that they can play the organ in a synagogue, or how do = Jews play in churches? I am really curious, as the music is so much part = of the worship that it is far more than just a job or a way of earning = money.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I guess to put it very simply, a good (church) musician simply learns = the rules and then "plays the game." &nbsp;&nbsp;Or, to put it another = way, ya don't need to be a vegetarian to be able to make a broccoli = casserole. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_fc.e4dbbe6.290f8fb1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re[2]: Membership in the parish From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:43:17 +1100     Ross> As an clergyman (Anglican Church in New Zealand,   Ah yes, the shaky isles. Can't play rugby, can't play cricket and can't = play netball!   (non Oceanics ignore - it's just an Aussie Kiwi thing)     Ross> I could not have someone whose beliefs and outlook were not = compatible, Ross> e.g. Mormon or Christian Science or Jewish. Ross> I am really curious, as the Ross> music is so much part of the worship that it is far more than just = a job Ross> or a way of earning money.   So let me put a hypothetical.   What would be your position if someone came to your church to play a trial service. And the person played beautifully and with every sensitivity and respect for the service.   And you were about to tell the person they had the job and they said "Well = one thing you should know is that I am an atheist/Mormon/Christian Scientist/Jew/whatever <name your sect>.   Would you then show them the door or might you say "God has found this = person who CAN help God's work in this place even if the person may not yet have = found God in the way I would wish"?     --   Regards,   Roger       Roger Brown mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: New Console Arrives From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:40:16 EST   Today the people from John-Paul Buzard Pipe Organ Craftsmen delivered to Kenwood Church our new 4-manual console and removed most of the reed pipes =   for re-building. I have posted some photos of the work today. I will post photos of the console itself later in the week, or on the weekend. The address is:   http://www.webphotos.iwon.com/list_photos.asp?mi=3D3&smi=3D1&a=3D35588   I hope you enjoy the photos.     Larry L. Wheelock Madison, Wisconsin   "SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIUM ERUDITONIS HABES"  
(back) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Membership in the parish From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:09:06 +1300   Roger, I'd say the same thing as I'd say to a brilliant actor who could read a sermon and prayers beautifully, but didn't believe what he was saying.   Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: Roger Brown <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 30 October 2001 18:45 Subject: Re[2]: Membership in the parish     > >Ross> As an clergyman (Anglican Church in New Zealand, > >Ah yes, the shaky isles. Can't play rugby, can't play cricket and can't play >netball! > >(non Oceanics ignore - it's just an Aussie Kiwi thing) > > >Ross> I could not have someone whose beliefs and outlook were not compatible, >Ross> e.g. Mormon or Christian Science or Jewish. >Ross> I am really curious, as the >Ross> music is so much part of the worship that it is far more than just = a job >Ross> or a way of earning money. > >So let me put a hypothetical. > >What would be your position if someone came to your church to play a = trial >service. And the person played beautifully and with every sensitivity and >respect for the service. > >And you were about to tell the person they had the job and they said = "Well one >thing you should know is that I am an atheist/Mormon/Christian >Scientist/Jew/whatever <name your sect>. > >Would you then show them the door or might you say "God has found this person >who CAN help God's work in this place even if the person may not yet have found >God in the way I would wish"? > > >-- > >Regards, > >Roger > > > >Roger Brown >mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au >http://rogerbrown.tripod.com > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >