PipeChat Digest #2471 - Wednesday, October 31, 2001
 
MY FLORIDA ADVENTURE
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re[2]: Membership in the parish
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
Re[2]: Membership in the parish
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
Re: Re[2]: Membership in the parish
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: MY FLORIDA ADVENTURE From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:09:43 EST     --part1_bb.161aaccb.2910d387_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi All   I just returned home to North Carolina from a fantastic trip to Florida. = I had the chance to reunited with friends from college and several years = ago, a very good friend from a former choir (who also graciously hosted me in her =   beautiful condo in Bradenton) and to make new friends. Of course, I tried =   making music and organ a central point of my trip, in addition to seeing = Bea Arthur's one woman show "And Then There's Bea" at the Tampa Bay Performing =   Arts Center. It was hysterical and she and her friend and accompanist, pianist Billy Goldenberg, put on one fantastic show! Now, on to the = organs and the music.   The first instrument I saw was shown to me by Tampa Bay area organist Tom Hoehn. If any of you have not heard Tom play you should make it a point = to. He plays concerts and silent films and it was great hearing a new artist = that I was not previously acquainted with. He took me to his church, First = United Methodist of Clearwater. There, he is both a choir member and organist. = The church is a beautiful and quite large, traditional southern colonial = facility with a spacious sanctuary. The three chambers are located directly across =   the front of the chancel speaking directly down the nave. The organ was originally a 60's Wicks which has been substantially enlarged and revoiced = by Ruffatti and a new four manual console built by Rodgers (along with some judicious digital voices). The organ is quite exciting, it is voiced very =   well and sounds very grand in the room and can play anything one would require of it. Everything from the string/vox 16, 8 and 4 combo to the choruses, solo reeds and a rather comprehensive pedal division sounds very =   fine indeed. The chapel has a small two manual Rodgers instrument.   Then we visited the Royal Theatre in downtown Clearwater which has the Devtronics theatre organ which is driven by a beautiful three manual Marr = and Colton console. It also has a complete pneumatic toy counter and = percussions as well as the original pneumatic combination action in the console. This =   instrument was formerly in the home of David Kopp in New Jersey. There = was a rehearsal so we didn't get to play the organ at the time, but I hope to return again in the future and give it a try.   The next morning Tom and I went to the absolutely stunning Tampa Theatre. =   Believe me when I tell you that the pictures in Ben Hall's book do not = begin to compare with the beauty of this house. It is indescribably beautiful = and colorful. It has recently been restored (not vacuumed and wiped down) but =   restored and painted to the original scheme and the lighting, though = updated, is still in its original "format" as well, giving the appearance of the 1920's. In Ben Hall's book the caption says something like "This = Andalusian Bon Bon...complete even down to Christopher Columbus discovering the orchestra pit." I remember that line well- and it was a real trip = "meeting Chris" in person. Yes- he is still in his original niche at the stage = left opening of the proscenium.   The Wurlitzer is wonderful. It was originally a 2 manual, removed and installed in a local Baptist Church, and, thankfuloly, repurchased and reinstalled BACK into the Tampa Theatre while also being enlarged. It now =   has a 3 manuals Wurlitzer console and has a marvelous, rich sound. It is = by no means brassy or strident, in fact, it is "sentimental" and lush. The = real treat occurred when Rosa Rio walked in to rehearse for her performance of Douglas Fairbank's silent film "The Mark of Zorro" and she spent no less = than an hour and a half regaling us with stories of the "old days" and talking = to us about theatre organs and organist, including real stories of Jesse Crawford, Lew White, Con Baker, Richard Liebert, Jack Ward, Anne Leaf and others. What an experience!!!!!!!!! And what a grand lady! My life has definitely been touched by this gentle, knowledgeable, remarkably young-at-heart lady. Every time we tried to leave she would say "OK- this will be the last one..........." and she would launch into another = wonderful story or anecdote. Needless to say, Tom and I had quite a morning. After =   finally excusing ourselves for taking up so much of her rehearsal time and =   having taken several photos with this grande dame of the theatre organ, = she sat down at the Wurlitzer and tore it up with "Everything's Coming Up = Roses." Uh- "Everything's Coming Up ROSA!" To Rosa: thank you, my dear, for sharing your music and yourself with us all as you have since you were a young girl at the console of the Brooklyn Fox Theatre (which, she = verified, DID have 37 ranks instead of the traditional 36, that additional rank = being a Dulciana Celeste).   I was invited by Charles Pierson to see the new 4/34 Wurlitzer in Grace Baptist Church on Sarasota. WOW what a fantastic organ! This instrument = has a brand new console built by Ken Chrome, which is just stunning to see. = From what I understand, the instrument has been collected and restored/rebuilt/enlarged by the local theatre organ society. The final assembly and final tonal finishing was by Allen Miller of Connecticut = (Bravo Allen!) The two large chambers bring the sounds of the pipes right into = the chancel where the choir sits, on the right and left, and the percussions = are installed immediately above the baptistry and speak through a sound transparent screen into the church. It is indeed a wonderful, powerful, = and extremely refined sound which would make any theatre organist want to = perform on this instrument. The wisdom of Mr. Pierson and others involved with = the installation of this very unique and exciting new organ is clearly shown = when one considers that, since the organ is in a church, many ranks of = foundation and "straight" stops have been included in the stoplist, including three mixtures and a rather complete pedal division. Charles told me that = artists who have visited the Grace Wurlitzer include Tom Hazleton, Rob Richards, = Lew Williams, George Wesner and Fred Davies. All, he said, left with overwhelming positive reviews of the organ. I can attest to this as well- = it is one hot organ! Again, Bravo Allen, bravo Charles and heartiest congratulations to the staff and congregation of Grace Baptist Church.   (As a side note I have now had the opportunity to perform on three of = Allen Miller's instruments: The Thomaston Opera House, Shea's Theatre in Buffalo =   and Grace Baptist. Allen- your work is beautiful. You are a true artist = and musician in the every sense of the word and you bring beauty beyond what = many others could do. Thanks for your wonderful talents!)   Lastly, I attended "Solemn High Mass" at the Roaring 20's Pizza and Pipes Restaurant in Ellenton. Having made my first pilgrimage in July when I = was in Florida to play for the wedding of the daughter of my good friend = Doreen, I heard Dwight Thomas put the organ through its paces (and then some). I remember he and Bill Vlasak playing it in Indianapolis. Please check out www.roaring20spizza.com for a fantastic website and detailed information about the former Oakland Paramount Publix and its wonderful new home. I = will say that it sounds much richer to my ears than I thought it did in Indianapolis. In Ellenton, it has wooden expression shades and the pipes = are below the shutter openings, giving the pipes a chance to blend in the = chamber before emanating into the room where the patrons listen to the happy = music.   The first visit this trip was last Friday night. We walked in and, much = to my surprise, the guest organist for the evening was Dave Cogswell. Dave = is now living near Ellenton and was one of the organists at Good Time = Charlie's in Grand Rapids, MI before it closed. His playing is better than ever and = it was great catching up with him again and renewing our old friendship. My second and, regrettably, last visit for this trip was last night (Monday) and once again we were treated to Dwight Thomas' impeccable musicianship. We =   also sat next to several members of his choir and congregation and had several good laughs and shared much fun music making. Dwight really knows =   this organ well, having studied and performed on it since he was 17 when = he studied on it in Indianapolis under John Ferguson. It is a pleasure to = hear someone who knows the instrument almost as a part of them and who can = really show it off. (Bravo Dwight!) I must indulge for a moment here and share that he invited me to the console and for about 40 minutes I was in sheer heaven! What an organ- well, another one! Though I don't know the instrument like he and Bill do, it is so easy to get used to that it = almost plays itself and is velvety smooth. Thanks again, Dwight, for your music = and your wonderful hospitality.   Central Florida is indeed fortunate to have these magnificent and varied instruments. I thanks everyone who made my trip such a success and for allowing me to have such a great time. I can't wait to return!   Scott Foppiano   --part1_bb.161aaccb.2910d387_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi All <BR> <BR>I just returned home to North Carolina from a fantastic trip to = Florida. &nbsp;I had the chance to reunited with friends from college and = several years ago, a very good friend from a former choir (who also = graciously hosted me in her beautiful condo in Bradenton) and to make new = friends. &nbsp;Of course, I tried making music and organ a central point = of my trip, in addition to seeing Bea Arthur's one woman show "And Then = There's Bea" at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center. &nbsp;&nbsp;It was = hysterical and she and her friend and accompanist, pianist Billy = Goldenberg, put on one fantastic show! &nbsp;Now, on to the organs and the = music. <BR> <BR>The first instrument I saw was shown to me by Tampa Bay area organist = Tom Hoehn. &nbsp;If any of you have not heard Tom play you should make it = a point to. &nbsp;He plays concerts and silent films and it was great = hearing a new artist that I was not previously acquainted with. &nbsp;He = took me to his church, First United Methodist of Clearwater. &nbsp;There, = he is both a choir member and organist. &nbsp;The church is a beautiful = and quite large, traditional southern colonial facility with a spacious = sanctuary. &nbsp;The three chambers are located directly across the front = of the chancel speaking directly down the nave. &nbsp;The organ was = originally a 60's Wicks which has been substantially enlarged and revoiced = by Ruffatti and a new four manual console built by Rodgers (along with = some judicious digital voices). &nbsp;The organ is quite exciting, it is = voiced very well and sounds very grand in the room and can play anything = one would require of it. &nbsp;Everything from the string <BR> <BR>Then we visited the Royal Theatre in downtown Clearwater which has the = Devtronics theatre organ which is driven by a beautiful three manual Marr = and Colton console. &nbsp;It also has a complete pneumatic toy counter and = percussions as well as the original pneumatic combination action in the = console. &nbsp;This instrument was formerly in the home of David Kopp in = New Jersey. &nbsp;There was a rehearsal so we didn't get to play the organ = at the time, but I hope to return again in the future and give it a try. <BR> <BR>The next morning Tom and I went to the absolutely stunning Tampa = Theatre. &nbsp;Believe me when I tell you that the pictures in Ben Hall's = book do not begin to compare with the beauty of this house. &nbsp;It is = indescribably beautiful and colorful. &nbsp;It has recently been restored = (not vacuumed and wiped down) but restored and painted to the original = scheme and the lighting, though updated, is still in its original "format" = as well, giving the appearance of the 1920's. &nbsp;In Ben Hall's book the = caption says something like &nbsp;"This Andalusian Bon Bon...complete even down to Christopher Columbus discovering the orchestra pit." = &nbsp;I remember that line well- and it was a real trip "meeting Chris" in = person. &nbsp;Yes- he is still in his original niche at the stage left = opening of the proscenium. <BR> <BR>The Wurlitzer is wonderful. &nbsp;It was originally a 2 manual, = removed and installed in a local Baptist Church, and, thankfuloly, = repurchased and reinstalled BACK into the Tampa Theatre while also being = enlarged. &nbsp;It now has a 3 manuals Wurlitzer console and has a = marvelous, rich sound. &nbsp;It is by no means brassy or strident, in = fact, it is "sentimental" and lush. &nbsp;The real treat occurred when = Rosa Rio walked in to rehearse for her performance of Douglas Fairbank's = silent film "The Mark of Zorro" and she spent no less than an hour and a = half regaling us with stories of the "old days" and talking to us about = theatre organs and organist, including real stories of Jesse Crawford, Lew = White, Con Baker, Richard Liebert, Jack Ward, Anne Leaf and others. = &nbsp;What an experience!!!!!!!!! &nbsp;And what a grand lady! &nbsp;My = life has definitely been touched by this gentle, knowledgeable, remarkably = young-at-heart lady. Every time we tried to leave she would say "OK- this = wi <BR> <BR>I was invited by Charles Pierson to see the new 4/34 Wurlitzer in = Grace Baptist Church on Sarasota. &nbsp;WOW what a fantastic organ! = &nbsp;This instrument has a brand new console built by Ken Chrome, which = is just stunning to see. &nbsp;From what I understand, the instrument has = been collected and restored/rebuilt/enlarged by the local theatre organ = society. &nbsp;The final assembly and final tonal finishing was by Allen = Miller of Connecticut (Bravo Allen!) &nbsp;The two large chambers bring = the sounds of the pipes right into the chancel where the choir sits, on = the right and left, and the percussions are installed immediately above = the baptistry and speak through a sound transparent screen into the = church. &nbsp;It is indeed a wonderful, powerful, and extremely refined = sound which would make any theatre organist want to perform on this = instrument. &nbsp;The wisdom of Mr. Pierson and others involved with the = installation of this very unique and exciting new organ is clearly shown <BR> <BR>(As a side note I have now had the opportunity to perform on three of = Allen Miller's instruments: The Thomaston Opera House, Shea's Theatre in = Buffalo and Grace Baptist. &nbsp;Allen- your work is beautiful. &nbsp;You = are a true artist and musician in the every sense of the word and you = bring beauty beyond what many others could do. &nbsp;Thanks for your = wonderful talents!) <BR> <BR>Lastly, I attended "Solemn High Mass" at the Roaring 20's Pizza and = Pipes Restaurant in Ellenton. &nbsp;Having made my first pilgrimage in = July when I was in Florida to play for the wedding of the daughter of my = good friend Doreen, &nbsp;I heard Dwight Thomas put the organ through its = paces (and then some). &nbsp;I remember he and Bill Vlasak playing it in = Indianapolis. &nbsp;Please check out www.roaring20spizza.com for a = fantastic website and detailed information about the former Oakland = Paramount Publix and its wonderful new home. &nbsp;I will say that it = sounds much richer to my ears than I thought it did in Indianapolis. = &nbsp;In Ellenton, it has wooden expression shades and the pipes are below = the shutter openings, giving the pipes a chance to blend in the chamber = before emanating into the room where the patrons listen to the happy = music. <BR> <BR>The first visit this trip was last Friday night. &nbsp;We walked in = and, much to my surprise, the guest organist for the evening was Dave = Cogswell. &nbsp;Dave is now living near Ellenton and was one of the = organists at Good Time Charlie's in Grand Rapids, MI before it closed. = &nbsp;His playing is better than ever and it was great catching up with = him again and renewing our old friendship. &nbsp;My second and, = regrettably, last visit for this trip was last night (Monday) and once = again we were treated to Dwight Thomas' &nbsp;impeccable musicianship. = &nbsp;We also sat next to several members of his choir and congregation and had several good = laughs and shared much fun music making. &nbsp;Dwight really knows this = organ well, having studied and performed on it since he was 17 when he = studied on it in Indianapolis under John Ferguson. &nbsp;It is a pleasure = to hear someone who knows the instrument almost as a part of them and who = can really show it off. &nbsp;(Bravo Dwight!) &nbsp;I mus <BR> <BR>Central Florida is indeed fortunate to have these magnificent and = varied instruments. &nbsp;I thanks everyone who made my trip such a = success and for allowing me to have such a great time. &nbsp;I can't wait = to return! <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.161aaccb.2910d387_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re[2]: Membership in the parish From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:24:29 +1100       Ross> When organists/church musicians say it doesn't matter what they = believe or Ross> do outside "performance" hours as long as they do their performance = well, Ross> then how about it not mattering what the clergy do or believe, = provided Ross> they can say the liturgy nicely, read prayers well, and make up a = sermon Ross> that sounds "orthodox" and is not insulting or likely to press = buttons? Ross> You'd hate it, and so would I, and the church would deserve to die.   To state the obvious, that is a quite invalid comparison. No one would = suggest that the range of duties expected of the clergy end with what is done in = Church on Sunday - pastoral oversight and care is vastly more important.   Musicians too, have duties outside what is done on Sunday. Mostly however = these duties are music related - preparation, practice,administration, = organisation etc. This is certainly the case for the Anglican model which you and I are = both familiar. And my "hypothetical" was on the basis that the person concerned = could carry out these duties competently and in the appropriate spirit.   Hence, I stick by my contention that in this context the personal beliefs = of the musician are not a factor. I have never been asked about my personal = beliefs in this connection and while I personally would be happy to answer the = question it should not in my view arise.   What of course arises from this is the question of discrimination in = employment.   In Australia discrimination on the basis of religious belief is contrary = to law but there is a general exception for employment by religious bodies. There = have been recent proposals to restrict this exception to employment of clergy = only but the matter has invariably been shelved after church lobbying. The = issue of employment of teaching staff in religious private schools appears to be a = major (and rather emotive) sticking point.   My own view is that the church has sheltered behind this sort of exemption = for far too long and legislative protection for employees of the church is = very long overdue.   Ross> There have been appalling things done in churches, but no more than Ross> anywhere else.   That in itself is an indictment. I think the general community has every = right to expect a much higher standard from the church as an employer and it = clearly is not happening. Bud Clark's recent appalling problems are only = reflective of a long string of clergy misbehaviour. These incidents may involve a = minority (and I am pleased to say I personally have never experienced such problems) but = the lack of legislative protection in such cases is a real concern.   In Australia at least church musicians have protection against unfair = dismissal in some circumstances - as was found in the appalling dismissal of Ian = Burke at St David's Cathedral Hobart a few years ago.   Ross> I've been an organist/choirmaster in a variety of positions before = that. Ross> Too, I'm in my 2nd term (the last was for 4 years, about 10 years = ago) as Ross> President of the Organists' Association, and have been the only = clergyman Ross> actively involved for my 41 years in the Association. I've been a Ross> Committee member for about 17 years.   But I would suggest to you that the circumstances you deal with, with very = few full time professional appointments (or even the circumstances here in Australia) are very different to what is at stake in USA where full time livelihoods are often involved.   But in all circumstances, the sooner church musicians of any status = receive the same legal protection as any other employee the better. This is not to = suggest I advocate a divisive approach; rather simply one where the hiring and = firing is based purely on what the musician is being paid to do.       --   Regards,   Roger       Roger Brown mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: Re[2]: Membership in the parish From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:26:27 +1100     quilisma> Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: If the musician can do the job = and quilisma> doesn't get involved in any public activity inimical to = the quilisma> image of the church then that's it so far as I am concerned   quilisma> I'm not quilisma> sure I even like the sound of THAT ...     For the record, that was my comment. I agree with most of what Bud says - = see my separate response to Ross's post     Regards,   Roger       Roger Brown mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Membership in the parish From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:00:20 +1300   Roger, Thanks for your response. We'll have to agree to disagree, and yes, as I think I mentioned, our NZ situation is different from the USA's. The churches in NZ have very stupidly, I think, argued successfully in the court that clergy are not employees, and that we are therefore not bound = by the Human Rights Commission or by any of the corpus of employment law and precedent. Stupid, because clergy not being employees is patently a legal fiction designed to enable stroppy church leaders of all denominations to = do as they wish. And that's hardly appropriate. There should be able to be legal protection of clergy just as there should be for fulltime church musicians and indeed part-time ones, and everyone else. Look at what they did to Martin Neary in England, for heaven's sake! We've had all sorts of problems with out-of-control clergy and organists in two of our NZ = Anglican cathedrals, as you may have heard. I guess my having been an organist who suffered at the hands of a = disastrous vicar means I'm more sympathetic to church musicians than you might think = - in fact, I've always got on very well indeed with my musicians in all my parishes. I've never had to "sack" or "remove" any singer or player of any kind, and we've always been good friends on good old-fashioned blunt and friendly speaking terms. I remember one of our very senior church musicians, who was organ scholar = at King's College Cambridge, being organist, but not music director, at a NZ Anglican church which went all wildly charismatic and grew fantastically = in numbers. The vicar had a vast notice outside the church and one night my friend John got caught at 11pm adding to the wording. It had read, = "Everyone very welcome here" and he added "except those with an atom of musical taste." He was sacked. I know the clergy, at least in the Anglican Church, are church-legally the Director of Music, but it is sad to see musically tone-deaf and musically-illiterate clergy doing things they shouldn't. For example, a local church recently paid a lot of money for a big Allen electronic and sold me their pipe organ for $250. The organ is of German construction and Laukhuff pipes and has five straight ranks; it was built in c1978. It has = 8 Gedackt, 4 Rohrflute, 2 Principal, 1 1/3 Gemsquint and 1 Octave. = Beautiful. As it has electric action, I'm busy adding it to my own home organ. And = just last week a local Baptist Church congregation took chainsaws and hammers = to their 1883 Hill organ and wrecked it, replacing it with a 3-deck Allen. I managed to hear about it and nabbed six ranks from the Great which had = been taken down a little before and stored in a basement, but the Swell is totally stuffed into a mangled heap of unfixable junk. Chests burnt = already. On the other hand, you hear endless stories of organists who cannot seem = to realise that the Vicar sometimes has the pulse of the musical climate in = the parish, and either the musician wants to go musically too trad, or too liberal, or too chorusy, or cannot compromise at all. In the days of = smaller congregations and greater costs, it makes it all very difficult indeed for both sides. If you're not asleep by all this, thanks for reading it, Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: Roger Brown <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 31 October 2001 21:29 Subject: Re[2]: Membership in the parish     > >quilisma> Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: If the musician can do the job and >quilisma> doesn't get involved in any public activity inimical to the >quilisma> image of the church then that's it so far as I am concerned > >quilisma> I'm not >quilisma> sure I even like the sound of THAT ... > > >For the record, that was my comment. I agree with most of what Bud says - see my >separate response to Ross's post > > >Regards, > >Roger > > > >Roger Brown >mailto:rbrown7@bigpond.net.au >http://rogerbrown.tripod.com > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >