PipeChat Digest #2357 - Sunday, September 9, 2001
 
Re: Value of pipe organ$?
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: A nice "quiet" afternoon (NOT!) (X-posted)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
the new regime - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: the new regime - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted)
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
back to the value of organs... i must have missed something
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Value of pipe organ$? From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:41:33 -0400   Dear Andrew,   Since you have now specified "replacement value" - I think I can be of some help.   IF the instrument is NOT of some special historical value, then a figure of $15,000 to $ 20,000 (US funds) per rank is indicated for an instrument of average size (20 - 40 ranks). If thhe organ is smaller than 20, the value may be slightly higher "per rank" because of the costs of the console, relay, action and blower, etc.   If the instrument is larger, then a more careful assement of the replacement value should be considered.   EXample: We currently have a 40 rank EP instrument on order w/ Casavant for the price of $ 492,000 (US funds). It is scheduled for delivery in Spring, 2003.   A special note about insurance: The church should get a policy that automatically increases to compensate for inflation ! My research on pipe organ costs determined that a good rate if inflation of organ costs is about 3% per year.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:27:29 -0400 "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> writes: > I wish to be quite clear about the following; I'm not trying to sell > an old > organ. I'm trying to get a figure that will accurately reflect the > value of > a clients pipe organ for the purpose of insurance. > > > Thanks for your input. So far I've heard a figure as high as $20,000 > and I'm > inclined to think it's accurate but I will wait 'till the thread > ends. > > rgrds. > Andrew Mead > Port Hope, Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf > Of > Mick709@aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:23 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Value of pipe organ$? > > I BELIEVE the general 'guesstimate" for organ prices is about > 1$12,000-15,000 > per rank for replacement value. That naturally would vary somewhat > from > builder to builder and chest styles. However, if you are looking to > sell the > instrument I think you might be hard pressed to get that figure per > rank. > > > Awaiting the 4 week long criticism of my response...  
(back) Subject: Re: A nice "quiet" afternoon (NOT!) (X-posted) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:31:38 EDT     --part1_109.5576687.28cc126a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   You don't need to practice. Just rely on the Lord, who will miraculously = put your fingers and toes where they should be (<grin>).   Your priorities are obviously askew (sp?). Clean church or good music? That's easy: clean church comes first (<big grin>).   Have a blessed Sunday every1.   Neil B     --part1_109.5576687.28cc126a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>You don't need to practice. &nbsp;Just rely on the Lord, who will = miraculously put <BR>your fingers and toes where they should be (&lt;grin&gt;). <BR> <BR>Your priorities are obviously askew (sp?). &nbsp;Clean church or good = music? &nbsp; <BR>That's easy: &nbsp;clean church comes first (&lt;big grin&gt;). <BR> <BR>Have a blessed Sunday every1. <BR> <BR>Neil B <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_109.5576687.28cc126a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: the new regime - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:11:18 -0700   9:00 a.m. - Prayer Book Communion Service WITH choir   Hymns The God of Abraham Praise - Leoni Before Thy Throne, O God, We Kneel - St. Petersburg Fling Out The Banner - Waltham - by request (grin)   Setting Willan Scottish Chant Great Amen - Robinson in D   Canticle between the Epistle and Gospel Jubilate Deo - Russell in F   Anthems What God Ordains Is Always Good - Pachelbel Remember Me - contemporary trash, pretty melody, choir likes it (grin) Come Unto Me - Willan   11:00 a.m. - High Mass WITHOUT choir   Processional - Praise to the Lord - Lobe den Herren Introit - Respice, Domine - simple Psalm Tone 8 - congregation Kyrie - Willan Gradual - Respice, Domine - simple Psalm Tone 6 - congregation Alleluia - Domine, refugium - English Gradual Alleluia / simple Psalm Tone 6 - congregation Offertory - organ, or maybe I'll sing the Proper Offertory, since there's no anthem Sanctus - Willan Great Amen - Robinson in D Agnus - Willan Communion - Panem de caelo - Gregorian, mode V, sung by the organist (grin) Hymn - Let Thy Blood In Mercy Poured - Luis Gloria in excelsis - Scottish Chant Recessional - Praise, My Soul, The King of Heaven - Lauda anima   Organ Voluntaries at both services Various Gospel hymn preludes from some book or other (grin)       Needless to say, I'm not TOO pleased with this arrangement, if for no other reason than it makes my morning LONGER (the choir now has to come at 8:15 a.m.) AND I have nothing to do from 10 until 11, but that's not enough time to leave and eat breakfast.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach        
(back) Subject: Re: the new regime - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted) From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:32:25 -0400   > Needless to say, I'm not TOO pleased with this arrangement, if for no > other reason than it makes my morning LONGER (the choir now has to come > at 8:15 a.m.) AND I have nothing to do from 10 until 11, but that's not > enough time to leave and eat breakfast.   Under the circumstances, it looks pretty good to me. Considering how your rector seems to blow with the wind, if the people don't like and support this, I predict you'll be right back where you started pretty soon.   Not enough time to *go and eat,* for sure, but plenty of time to *eat,* if you've done some advance preparation and brought it with you! Think = outside the box, Bud!   Regards,   Dave    
(back) Subject: back to the value of organs... i must have missed something From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 00:36:50 -0400   Andrew, didn't mean to go off but you misread my intentions a little and I = must have obviously missed your original post #1, clearly there are a lot of pipe organs out there that are worthless = tonally. #2. to blindly say I have an organ, what is it worth means very little in = the real world.   I think the biggest thing, which is my mistake, is I assumed you were = someone like an insurance adjuster, or something, since I'm kinda new here = and don't know everyone... but now that we're on the subject.... I'm an organist, not a builder, but we all know... All = organs are not created equal, by a long shot. I can understand your frustration, especially when you get answers that = "x" # of ranks can cost a million dollars   Hey, there are 24 stop organs out there that cost churches in excess of = $600,000. these are not the "run of the mill" pipe organs   I guess if you really want some concrete answers ( I still must have = missed that part somewhere about what it was???), If the information = wasn't made available, it would probably help these guys who really can give you some honest interpretations of reasonable value to = know what kind of organ is is.. who built it, it's disposition, what = playing condition it's in, and an opus #.   Otherwise, like I said before, as a pipe organ on the used market... it = could be worthless, from the standpoint of rebuilding and tonal = refinishing. that may not be the case but it is always one of the answers that no one wants to hear!   For example.... I had a 2.5 rank Wicks unit organ. OK... if I asked the value of an organ = and got 10k or 20k per rank, that would make me feel great but leave me = with a totally inflated idea of the value of that organ, which would be totally out of the ballpark of what this organ = is/was worth.   That's got nothing to do with what it would cost to build a new one...   I wasn't saying the organ was worthless because I haven't a clue what it = was, but there are a lot of them out there that are worth next to nothing = and can be had for hauling them away.   Lousy pipe work and an organ that needs a lot of work really can't fall = under the blanket of replacement cost. though it would be nice!   So... I have missed some important information about the organ somewhere = and that leaves me to sound like I'm out in left field... all I saw was a = host of replies with varied replacement costs, which sent up a red flag after a recent experience i had with an organ = I've had for a while.   After what I went through selling mine, I didn't want you to get an = inflated expectation and go WOW... this is GREAT! (now I know you're in = the business so that's not the case... my mistake)   When I went to sell the little Wicks, I talked to a local builder and he = gave me an honest reality check about what it would be worth (cost to buy = a new 2.5 rank organ)... and what that organ... with it's fine Wicks pipe work was probably gonna fetch on the open = market..... not much!   Sorry about the confusion.... and I hope you see where I was coming from.   Wayne