PipeChat Digest #2361 - Tuesday, September 11, 2001
 
Re: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent?
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent?
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Organ Crawl in VT xpost
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Another organ to identify
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Thinking of you
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Thinking of you
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Aeolus CD label
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: Thinking of you
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
from Episcopal News Service
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
[Theatreorgans-L] A Prayer
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
NYC:  Aftermath
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
tonight, Sunday - St. Matthew's ACC, Costa Mesa CA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent? From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:04:01 +1200   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C13ACA.9C272360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Re: Celeste tuning I've just read one response, but I disagree with it 100%. A Celeste MUST = =3D NOT INCREASE IN SPEED AS YOU ASCEND THE SCALE if a good effect is to be = =3D produced. In my last parish, I had to threaten to sack the organtuner if = =3D he didn't comply with my wishes and tune the Celeste to the rank it is =3D to beat with - he assumed that tuning the Celeste in octaves was the =3D right way, and that speeding-up ascending was proper. I showed him many = =3D articles and books denying that. He was amazed at the improvement in =3D tone when he re-tuned the Celeste the way I demanded. In 1960, when I =3D heard my first Celeste tuned the correct way, on a T.C.Lewis of 1884, =3D unaltered and still with its original waterblower (still true in 2001) =3D the beats were identical in length. The chorus effect, and not a jangly = =3D one, is remarkably better. Listen to piano accordions, too: some makes =3D have the Celeste tuned to speed up, and its awful compared with the =3D right way. You can do the other on a home organ, especially as you have = =3D limited space, money and pipes, but it is not ideal, at all, at all, at = =3D all. After all, on a home organ, as my friend tells me, there are no =3D canons of good taste, and my own home organ would not be acceptable in a = =3D church due to limitations of design, etc., made from 2nd-hand bits. Regards, Ross Wards (The Rev.Dr) -----Original Message----- From: Ed Steltzer <steltzer@gwi.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 11 September 2001 12:23 Subject: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent?     I haven't seen this topic on Pipechat before, so I'll try it out; =3D perhaps a builder or two will offer their opinion, or describe their =3D normal practice.   The basic question: Should the beating (difference) frequency for a =3D celeste rank of pipes (relative to its "normal" pitched rank) be a =3D constant value (such as perhaps 2 beats per second), regardless of the =3D key played, or should the beating frequency increase as one plays up the = =3D keyboard? ..... or perhaps a compromise between the two schemes?   The question arises for me because I have a Dulciana unit rank in my =3D home pipe organ which I have tuned to a true quint pitch; it plays a =3D true-tuned 2 2/3 foot pitch (not an equal-tempered pitch). I also wired = =3D that same rank as a celeste (to play against a normally-tuned similar =3D rank) and find that it gives a satisfactory result, and thus gives me =3D two valuable uses for one rank. =3D20   Doing that, however, necessarily means that the beating frequency =3D increases as I play up the scale. Any comments on the basic =3D question, for academic interest?   Thanks! Ed, in Maine       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C13ACA.9C272360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Re: Celeste tuning</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've just read one response, but&nbsp;I disagree =3D with it 100%.=3D20 A Celeste MUST NOT INCREASE IN SPEED AS YOU ASCEND THE SCALE if a good =3D effect is=3D20 to be produced. In my last parish, I had to threaten to sack the =3D organtuner if=3D20 he didn't comply with my wishes and tune the Celeste to the rank it is =3D to beat=3D20 with - he assumed that tuning the Celeste in octaves was the right way, = =3D and that=3D20 speeding-up ascending was proper. I showed him many articles and books =3D denying=3D20 that. He was amazed at the improvement in tone when he re-tuned the =3D Celeste the=3D20 way I demanded. In 1960, when I heard my first Celeste tuned the correct = =3D way, on=3D20 a T.C.Lewis of 1884, unaltered and still with its original waterblower =3D (still=3D20 true in 2001) the beats were identical in length. The chorus effect, and = =3D not a=3D20 jangly one, is remarkably better. Listen to piano accordions, too: some = =3D makes=3D20 have the Celeste tuned to speed up, and its awful compared with the =3D right way.=3D20 You can do the other on a home organ, especially as you have limited =3D space,=3D20 money and pipes, but it is not ideal, at all, at all, at all. After all, = =3D on a=3D20 home organ, as my friend tells me, there are no canons of good taste, =3D and my own=3D20 home organ would not be acceptable in a church due to limitations of =3D design,=3D20 etc., made from 2nd-hand bits.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross Wards (The Rev.Dr)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B>Ed Steltzer &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:steltzer@gwi.net">steltzer@gwi.net</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: = =3D </B>PipeChat=3D20 &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>11 September 2001 12:23<BR><B>Subject: </B>Beating freq. for a =3D Celeste:=3D20 constant or pitch dependent?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I haven't seen this topic on = Pipechat =3D before, so=3D20 I'll try it out;&nbsp; perhaps a builder or two will offer their =3D opinion, or=3D20 describe their normal practice.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The basic question:&nbsp; Should = the =3D beating=3D20 (difference) frequency for a celeste rank of pipes (relative to its =3D "normal"=3D20 pitched rank) be a constant value (such as perhaps&nbsp;2 beats per =3D second),=3D20 regardless of the key played, or should the beating frequency increase = =3D as one=3D20 plays up the keyboard?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ..... or perhaps a =3D compromise=3D20 between the two schemes?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The question arises for me because = I =3D have a=3D20 Dulciana unit rank in my home pipe organ which I have tuned to a true = =3D quint=3D20 pitch;&nbsp; it plays a true-tuned 2 2/3 foot pitch (not an =3D equal-tempered=3D20 pitch).&nbsp; I also&nbsp;wired that same rank as a celeste (to play =3D against a=3D20 normally-tuned similar rank) and find that it gives a satisfactory =3D result, and=3D20 thus gives me two valuable uses for one rank.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Doing that, however, necessarily = =3D means that the=3D20 beating frequency increases as I play up the=3D20 scale.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Any = =3D   comments on the basic question, for academic interest?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>Thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D Ed, in=3D20 Maine</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C13ACA.9C272360--    
(back) Subject: Re: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent? From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:05:17 +1200   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01C13B0D.D7155E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Folks - I should have noted that a string Celeste is tuned sharp and a flute =3D Celeste and a Dulciana (the latter Celeste is called Unda Maris, not =3D Voix Celeste or Celeste) is tuned flat, for the best effect. So, that =3D leaves a quint Dulciana rank as a Celeste even more problematic: change = =3D its name to Unda Maris, if you must, but "Celeste" is better reserved =3D for a Viole, Viol, Gamba, Salicional, Viole d'Orchestre, etc. I'm sure =3D we all know a Dulciana is not a string, nor a flute. I played two =3D genuine Snetzler Dulcianas in England in 1992 - wonderful! By the way, does anyone have some 2nd-hand drawstop solenoids I could =3D acquire for my home organ? Regards again, Ross -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com <Cremona502@cs.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 11 September 2001 16:49 Subject: Re: Beating freq. for a Celeste: constant or pitch dependent?     In a message dated 9/10/01 8:22:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D steltzer@gwi.net=3D20 writes:=3D20       Should the beating (difference) frequency for a celeste rank of =3D pipes=3D20 (relative to its "normal" pitched rank) be a constant value (such as = =3D   perhaps 2 beats per second), regardless of the key played, or should = =3D the=3D20 beating frequency increase as one plays up the keyboard? ..... =3D or=3D20 perhaps a compromise between the two schemes?     I think this is one place where electronically monitored accuracy is =3D not=3D20 necessary. One of the beauties of a celeste is its inequality of =3D movement. =3D20 The undulation changes from chord to chord and note to note. My =3D feeling=3D20 is.... if it sounds good and makes your feet tingle.... it's ok!=3D20   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01C13B0D.D7155E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Folks -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I should have noted that a string Celeste is tuned = =3D sharp and a=3D20 flute Celeste and a Dulciana (the latter Celeste is called Unda Maris, =3D not Voix=3D20 Celeste or Celeste) is tuned flat, for the best effect. So, that leaves = =3D a quint=3D20 Dulciana rank as a Celeste even more problematic: change its name to =3D Unda Maris,=3D20 if you must, but "Celeste" is better reserved for a Viole, Viol, = Gamba,=3D20 Salicional, Viole d'Orchestre, etc. I'm sure we all know a Dulciana is =3D not a=3D20 string, nor a flute. I played two genuine Snetzler Dulcianas in England = =3D in 1992=3D20 - wonderful!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>By the way, does anyone have some 2nd-hand drawstop = =3D solenoids=3D20 I could acquire for my home organ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Regards again,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B><A href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> = &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: = =3D </B><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> &lt;<A = =3D   =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>11 September 2001 16:49<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Beating freq. for a = =3D   Celeste: constant or pitch dependent?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a message dated 9/10/01 =3D 8:22:11 PM=3D20 Eastern Daylight Time, <A =3D href=3D3D"mailto:steltzer@gwi.net">steltzer@gwi.net</A>=3D20 <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Should the beating (difference) frequency for a celeste = =3D rank of=3D20 pipes <BR>(relative to its "normal" pitched rank) be a constant =3D value (such=3D20 as <BR>perhaps 2 beats per second), regardless of the key played, or = =3D should=3D20 the <BR>beating frequency increase as one plays up the keyboard?=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;..... or <BR>perhaps a compromise between =3D the two=3D20 schemes?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I think this is one place where =3D electronically=3D20 monitored accuracy is not <BR>necessary. &nbsp;One of the beauties of = =3D a=3D20 celeste is its inequality of movement. &nbsp; <BR>The undulation =3D changes from=3D20 chord to chord and note to note. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My feeling =3D <BR>is....=3D20 if it sounds good and makes your feet tingle.... it's ok! =3D <BR><BR>Bruce=3D20 Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; =3D <BR>with the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit =3D Howling=3D20 Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0026_01C13B0D.D7155E40--    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Crawl in VT xpost From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:37:20 -0400   I do believe so- it was the first "Cathedral Organ" in Vermont, having = been originally in St. Paul's Episcopal cathedral in Burlington. I'll confirm = on Sunday.     Paul   >"Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> wrote: >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:32 AM >Subject: Organ Crawl in VT xpost > > >> Next Sunday, Sept. 16th, the Vertmon AGO Chapter is sponsoring its = annual >> organ crawl. > 7:00: Grace Episcopal Church, Sheldon; 1833 1-10 Henry >Erben tracker, also >> demonstrated by Erik Kenyon. > >Isn't this the organ on which John Henry Hopkins, Jr., son of the first >Bishop of Vermont, composed "We three kings of orient are"? > >John Speller > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Another organ to identify From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:50:42 -0500   On Disney's "The Kid", there was a wedding scene with a church and an = organ, and there was real organ music playing, or so it seemed to me. Does this church and organ belong to a real place, or was it just elaborate props?   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Thinking of you From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:25:57 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C13AEF.33309060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear those in the US,   My thoughts and prayers are with you all after today's appalling events.   Steve   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C13AEF.33309060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear those in the US,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My thoughts and prayers are with you = =3D all after=3D20 today's appalling events.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C13AEF.33309060--    
(back) Subject: Re: Thinking of you From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:38:39 -0500   >Dear those in the US, > >My thoughts and prayers are with you all after today's appalling events. > >Steve     Steve   On behalf of all of us in the U.S., your thoughts and prayers are greatly appreciated. I think most of us, even though many of us are not near to New York and Washington, are in a state of shock. To watch the events unfold on live TV this morning was appalling.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Aeolus CD label From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:01:19 -0400   As featured on Pipedreams as broadcast this week (in most places), the ne= w Aeolus CD label is now available from OHS at http://www.ohscatalog.org. F= or the moment, all of these fascinating new CDs are gathered into a group an= d can be viewed by clicking on the "Aeolus" link on the opening page.   Featured are French and German performers on both French and German organ= s, both new and historic, including a rare CD of the Silbermann at Glachau a= nd another on an organ built by Dom Bedos and now restored, as well as two o= n Cavaill=E9-Coll organs. The latest release is of Suzanne Chaisemartin pla= ying Dupr=E9 at St. Sulpice, Paris. There is much rare organ repertoire explo= red, including Symphonie 1 by Widor's contemporary Lazare Auguste Maquaire on UM-20041, CDs devoted to composers D=E9odat de S=E9verac (1872-1921) and = Johann Mattheson (friend of Handel), and spectacular improvisations by Frederic Blanc and Ansgar Wallenhorst. Then, there is Karg-Elert played on 100 ran= ks of a mostly 1894 Sauer organ at Bremen Cathedral.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Thinking of you From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:47:16 EDT     --part1_15b.cd7360.28cfc444_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/11/01 12:41:12 PM Central Daylight Time, admin@pipechat.org writes:   I know those of us in major metropolitan areas, are very much aware of = what it must be like with most of the city shutting down. It truly is an eye opening situation.   St. Louis is almost completely shut down, any place that large numbers of people can gather have been shut down, skyscrapers are all closed as are = the shopping centers.     > I think most of us, even though many of us are > not near to New York and Washington, are in a state of shock.       --part1_15b.cd7360.28cfc444_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/11/01 12:41:12 PM Central Daylight Time, <BR>admin@pipechat.org writes: <BR> <BR>I know those of us in major metropolitan areas, are very much aware of = what <BR>it must be like with most of the city shutting down. &nbsp;It truly is = an eye <BR>opening situation. <BR> <BR>St. Louis is almost completely shut down, any place that large numbers = of <BR>people can gather have been shut down, skyscrapers are all closed as = are the <BR>shopping centers. <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think most of = us, even though many of us are <BR>not near to New York and Washington, are in a state of shock. = &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_15b.cd7360.28cfc444_boundary--  
(back) Subject: from Episcopal News Service From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:54:56 -0700   Eyewitness to disaster by John Allen   When the first aircraft hit New York's World Trade Center during the morning rush-hour on Tuesday, September 11, young children were arriving at Trinity Wall Street's pre-school, staff were on the streets around the center, and Archbishop Rowan Williams of Wales was preparing for a day's   videotaping with Trinity Television.   The Rev. Dr. Daniel P. Matthews, rector of the Parish of Trinity Church, and a group of colleagues were in a meeting in the parish's office tower   three blocks from the center.   "We were on the 24th floor, which has a view of the World Trade Center,   when we heard the sound, and looked up to see a ball of fire coming from one of the towers. A few minutes later, we saw the second plane hit, and again a ball of fire erupted," he said. He was soon down in the building's lobby, reassuring shocked staffers as security staff sought guidance on the safest response.   Before the first blast, staff on the streets around Trinity heard what to some sounded like military jets carrying out a low flypast before hearing the blast. Within minutes, pieces of paper were raining from the sky onto the church, the churchyard and the surrounding streets.   In Trinity Television's studio a small group of shocked visitors gathered as Trinity's director of television, Bert Medley, asked Archbishop Williams to lead the group in prayer.   The Rev. Gay Silver went to minister to the teachers and pupils at the pre-school. The Rev. Lyndon Harris, who heads the ministry at historic St. Paul's Chapel across the street from the World Trade Center, set out for the chapel to see how he could help there. Before he arrived, the second aircraft hit the center and he was forced to return to Trinity to avoid flying debris.   The Rev. Stuart Hoke, executive assistant to Dr. Matthews, was among those in the church leading prayers and hymns for shocked passers-by some time   later when a tower at the WTC collapsed. The power was cut and much of the congregation fled screaming into Broadway. Trinity's office tower shuddered and dust began to penetrate the building down lift shafts from the top.   Staff who tried to leave the building found the lobby filled with dust, and were forced to return to upper floors to breathe. Outside, the pall of dust that had settled over the financial district with the tower's collapse had made it dark as night.   Staff designated as fire wardens gathered at the pre-school to evacuate the children to the basement. Other staff searched the building, looking for   places which were both as low down in the building and as dust-free as possible. Once breathing masks had all been handed out, towels in the pre-school were torn up and soaked in water for people to breathe through.   When the order to evacuate the office block came, Trinity staffers and pre-school children filed out under the direction of security staff and fire wardens. They streamed down Greenwich Street at the back of the building, heading through the gloom and holding masks or towels to the their faces, to the south end of the island of Manhattan. When they heard the sounds of another collapse from the World Trade Center, they dashed for cover in doorways and under alcoves.   Numbers boarded the Staten Island ferry across New York harbor to escape the downtown area, and others were evacuated by buses up the east side. As at the time of writing, there was no way of knowing the fate of friends and colleagues.   -- John Allen is communications director for Trinity Parish, Wall Street and editor of Trinity News.    
(back) Subject: [Theatreorgans-L] A Prayer From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:21:08 -0400   "Eternal Rest Grant Unto them O'Lord and let Perpetual Light Shine Upon Them. May their Souls, and the Souls of the faithful departed, Rest in Peace"   AMEN  
(back) Subject: NYC: Aftermath From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:37:53 EDT   Dear Fellow Listers:   Things are still unbelievable here, people walking through the streets in = a state of shock. We're all just wandering around, not knowing what to do = or what to feel. They are moving aircraft carriers into port here, and all airports have been closed.   Fighter jets overhead, no vehicular traffic except the constant ambulances =   and fire engines. It will be many days before we know how many tens of thousands perished.   Seeing the second plane slam into the tower was unreal; watching the buildings collapse was terrifying. I've never seen anything like it. = Many, many other buildings were destroyed, and the hospitals are jammed.   Grocery stores are a madhouse, but I'm sure we'll have no problems with = food deliveries in the coming days, and water is still running, although they = may shut off gas in some areas of the downtown due to damaged mains.   My staff is all okay, having been evacuated from Temple Emanu-El by the Police. As the largest Temple in the world, it is considered a possible secondary target. Of course, no "Star Wars" missile defense system could have stopped this, and we really have to evaluate how America has isolated =   itself from the rest of the world in recent months. But after eight = hours, the fires are still burning, and recovery of anybody inside is not really possible.   I'm sure you're all watching on television; I do not know if any list members worked in the area, and it may be days before we find out if any = of us, or our families, were affected.   Sebastian  
(back) Subject: tonight, Sunday - St. Matthew's ACC, Costa Mesa CA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:02:00 -0700   Tonight:   Votive Mass "For the Nation" - 6:30 p.m.   The Great Litany in Procession O God, Our Help In Ages Past Jesus, Son of Mary A Mighty Fortress Is Our God Merbecke Setting   Sunday - 9 & 11 a.m.   same hymns Willan setting "O Saviour of the World" - Goss   Voluntaries tonight   silence, probably, or some of the old hymns   Voluntaries Sunday   Before Thy Throne - Bach silence       Bud