PipeChat Digest #2373 - Saturday, September 15, 2001
 
Re: a Pastoral Message (and a note to Paul)
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Hatred
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Re Ground Zero and Sebastion and Paul Valtos's coments
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: A Personal Thought
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Barry Norris Residence Organ (update)
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
A beautiful tribute
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: fundamentalism
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
NY Search Dogs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: A Personal Thought
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: a Pastoral Message (and a note to Paul) From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:52:34 -0400   Dear Wayne, I guess my message today can somewhat let you know why I feel the = way I feel. I fear for America, a country which I love dearly. I saw my youth disappear in war but it was my 15 minutes of glory to work with those who gave their supreme sacrifice. There are no more glorious heros than = American servicemen especially those I knew in the United States Air Force. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: a Pastoral Message (and a note to Paul)     > First, now that I've calmed down and read through 3 list digests I feel > the need to apologize publicly to Paul for the name calling, I was > extremely frustrated after reading those posts and did not appropriately > express or vent myt frustration an some other way.....everything else I > meant! :>) > Sorry Paul! > > This is a message that I got from a pastor that I have the absolute > privilage of working with. Our brief time working together was based > on total respect and appreciation for the other's gifts. It goes to > show how we all remember the good ones! > > Well, read Clif's message here. > > Pastoral Message > September 12, 2001 > > At the time of writing this reflection, I am > listening to radio reports about the tragic chain of > events in New York, Washington DC, and Somerset > County, PA. This diabolical series of terrorist > attacks is shaking our nation to its very roots. As > free people we find these heinous acts of violence > almost inconceivable. Yet, they did happen in a > degree greater than that of Pearl Harbor. This > unprovoked and cowardly attack is utterly evil in > nature. > > My immediate reaction was of great distress and > sorrow, as I thought about the loss of life involved. > My eyes misted as I was watching live coverage when I > saw the second plane rammed the remaining tower. > Then, the first tower of the International Trade > Center fell to the earth. A short time later the > second tower fell. I became fearful. Symbols of > United States Commerce, Military, and Politics had > been attacked. What came to mind in my distress were > the words of Jesus of "fear not little flock." The > context of these words of Jesus is found in Luke 12: > 29-32. There our Lord said: > > Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil > nor spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his > glory was not clothed like one of these. But if God > so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive > today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much > more will he clothe you--you of little faith! And do > not keep striving for what you are to eat and what you > are to drink, and do not keep worrying. For it is the > nations of the world that strive after all these > things, and your Father knows that you need them. > Instead, strive for his kingdom, and these things will > be given to you as well. "Do not be afraid, little > flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give > you the kingdom." > > As we reflect on these words of the Lord, we can > remind ourselves that ultimately God will prevail. > Jesus has conquered sin, death and the evil one. In > this world there is no absolute security. Our > citizenship is in heaven with our Lord. However, > there are some things we can and should do at a time > like this. First, we can pray as individually and > collectively. Second, those who are able may donate > blood to help those in need. Third, we can show our > resolve by not panicking. Fourth, we can affirm our > commitment to God by being regular in worship. Fifth, > we can show kindness and love to one another. Sixth, > we can donate to Lutheran World Relief, the Red Cross > and other emergency services. Seventh, we can express > our heartfelt gratitude to all emergency workers. I > am sure that you might think of many more things that > would make this world a better place by showing > Christ's love for others. What is important is to act > positively to this tragedy. Let it serve as a wake-up > call that evil does exist in this world. In Christ, > we can conquer evil with loving goodness. > > God bless you. > Peace, > > The Rev. Dr. Clifton J. Suehr > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hatred From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:56:07 -0400   Dear Doug, I too am a moderate, registered Republican and detest the takeover of the party by those looneys of the extreme right who have polarized our nation. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Hatred     > I find it interesting that a year ago, "Clinton Bashing" was rabidly > defended as "free Speech", but now if anything is said that could in any > way be construed as derogatory about "dubya" it is immediately labeled > "Leftist Hatred". Kindly remember that the MAJORITY of Americans voted > AGAINST him. > > As an American, and a Vietnam Veteran, I enjoy the right to be critical > of ANY politician, at any time, and frankly, I'm old enough ( and > intelligent enough) to understand the difference between criticizing a > polititian and supporting the Government of the United States in a time > of crisis. > > As a registered Republican, I resent the implication that, because I > don't agree with the head of the Republican Party on EVERYTHING, I am a > "Hateful Leftist". I think that your comments, and others like yours, = are > the MOST hurtful things posted on this list. > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:02:21 -0500 "Mr. Berley Antoine Firmin II" > <Firman1@prodigy.net> writes: > > The hatred from the leftists on this list for President Bush does not > > belong > > here. We should all unite in this time of tragedy. > > Mr. Berley Antoine Firmin II > > Bayou La Combe, Louisiana > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > > topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Re Ground Zero and Sebastion and Paul Valtos's coments From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:25:45 -0400   Dear Bruce,   Just so you know.... There is a company in Auburn, NY tha makes leather "booties" specifically for rescue dogs. They shipped many pairs to Oklahoma following the bombing there, On Wednesday, they shipped a large quantity by State Police car to Manhattan and have been "cranking them out" ever since tuesday afternoon.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:11:56 EDT Cremona502@cs.com writes: > Since many of the rescue assistance efforts have been inundated with > volunteers and overstocked with supplies, if you are looking for > another way > to assist in the rescue efforts here is one. > > The rescue dogs need "booties" to wear on their feet and are going > through > them very quickly. Contact your local Dog Rescue or Humane Society > groups > for specific ways to help. > > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, > Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/  
(back) Subject: Re: A Personal Thought From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:26:26 EDT     --part1_14.1aa06de3.28d4e942_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/15/2001 11:20:26 AM Central Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > > I woiuld point out that Mr. Gordon Sinclair's broadcast of this > commentary was done in June of 1973 !!!   Mr. Campbell< > > That still does not change the validity, truthfulness or timeliness of = it. > Others are still posting it to the internet.   The Constitution was written over 200 years ago. It is still as valid = and applicable > today as when it was written. > Phil L.       > >       --part1_14.1aa06de3.28d4e942_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/15/2001 11:20:26 AM Central Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>I woiuld point out that Mr. Gordon Sinclair's broadcast of this <BR>commentary was done in June of 1973 !!!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Mr. Campbell&lt;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR>That still does not change the validity, truthfulness or timeliness of = it. &nbsp;Others are still posting it to the internet.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp;&nbsp;The Constitution was written over = 200 years ago. &nbsp;It is still as valid and applicable </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">today as when it was written. <BR>Phil L.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_14.1aa06de3.28d4e942_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Barry Norris Residence Organ (update) From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:15:19 -0500   For those that are interested: The specification of the Barry Norris Residence organ on the Wicks = Organ Company web site has been updated. A few things have been moved around, = and a few stops added, and all digital stops have been properly indicated.. Barry tells me this is the final spec of the organ, and that it should be complete in the next couple of months. (Just for the record, I've heard that before.) We are still awaiting some photos to best convey how the organ is installed in the house. Mr. Norris is also willing to answer questions about his instrument, and share what he's learned from building a home instrument. There is an email link set up for that purpose. You can find all of this at http://www.wicks.com/organ . Click on Specifications, and find the Norris residence organ on the right side of the page. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com    
(back) Subject: A beautiful tribute From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:22:38 EDT     --part1_b0.1a5c64bb.28d4f66e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I received a beautiful photograph of the WTC towers in the shadow of St. Paul's Chapel. It is not possible to send attachments to the lists, so I =   invite you to visit my webpage < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ > =   and click on *Tower Memorial* at the top of the opening page. The photograph was taken several years ago by an architect visiting NYC.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_b0.1a5c64bb.28d4f66e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I received a beautiful = photograph of the WTC towers in the shadow of St. Paul's Chapel. = &nbsp;&nbsp;It is not possible to send attachments to the lists, so I = invite you to visit my webpage &nbsp;&nbsp;&lt; = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ &gt; and click on *Tower = Memorial* at the top of the opening page. &nbsp;&nbsp;The photograph was = taken several years ago by an architect visiting NYC. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b0.1a5c64bb.28d4f66e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: fundamentalism From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:28:10 EDT     --part1_2d.110e5a86.28d4f7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/15/01 12:17:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > In a discussion of "what music to play ?" there was a post from a > publisher suggesting a particular piece, and the web site fo their > catalog. This evoked some harsh critism about "commerializing a tragic > event". Are not the comments by Fallwell and Robertson really just the > same sort of "commercialism" ???????   Absolutely not! The Dellamano's were simply trying to share a piece of music written by him. I went to the site and it is a stunningly beautiful =   piece, and most appropriate for the time. They indicated where it could = be found in the event that someone wanted to use it. The price was not inflated. I believe if you check your memory banks that you will find = that most ALL of your music was purchased.   Had they not indicated where the piece could be found, there would have = been posts asking where. I am appalled at the hatred from this list toward these fellow church musicians who were simply endeavoring to share their offerings and talents with the rest of the group.   I'm really ashamed of all who have participated in this injustice and unkindness.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_2d.110e5a86.28d4f7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/15/01 12:17:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a discussion of = "what music to play ?" &nbsp;there was a post from a <BR>publisher suggesting a particular piece, and the web site fo their <BR>catalog. This evoked some harsh critism about "commerializing a tragic <BR>event". Are not the comments by Fallwell and Robertson really just the <BR>same sort of "commercialism" ???????</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Absolutely not! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Dellamano's were simply trying = to share a piece of music written by him. &nbsp;I went to the site and it = is a stunningly beautiful piece, and most appropriate for the time. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They indicated where it could be found in the event that = someone wanted to use it. &nbsp;&nbsp;The price was not inflated. &nbsp;I = believe if you check your memory banks that you will find that most ALL of = your music was purchased. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Had they not indicated where the piece could be found, there would = have been posts asking where. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am appalled at the = hatred from this list toward these fellow church musicians who were simply = endeavoring to share their offerings and talents with the rest of the = group. <BR> <BR>I'm really ashamed of all who have participated in this injustice and = unkindness. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2d.110e5a86.28d4f7ba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: NY Search Dogs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:29:34 EDT     --part1_15e.e96739.28d4f80e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Unfortunately.... there always seems to misinformation. here is the correction:   An apparently false story has been circulating on the internet requesting donations of booties for the search dogs who are working to locate survivors/bodies at the site of the WTC tragedy. This story is not true and correct information needs to be circulated in its place.   According to the NDSDF (National Search Dog Disaster Foundation), there = are two types of search dogs:   Disaster Search Dogs: These dogs search through the rubble of downed buildings to locate humans. Utilization of these dogs is coordinated by FEMA or your local Office of Emergency Services (OES). To determine whether search dogs have been deployed to any disaster site, you can contact FEMA or your local OES.   Wilderness Search Dogs: These dogs search woods, landslides, avalanches, etc. to locate humans. Your local sherrif's office coordinates those = efforts.   If you wish to make a donation to assist the Search Dog teams in NY, the NDSDF requests that all donations be in monetary form. The teams (dog & handler) are totally responsible for everything themselves. This includes =   food & clothing, hotel rooms, medical care, transportation, and even protective booties for the dogs.   If you would like to assist the search dog effort, you can make a direct donation to a local search team, or you can make a contribution to the NDSDF at:   National Disaster Search Dog Foundation 323 E Matilijia, #110-245 Ojai, CA 93023   Telephone 1-888-646-7842   http://www.ndsdf.org/   Please forward to as many lists as possible, as the previous information regarding the need for booties was incorrect.       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_15e.e96739.28d4f80e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Unfortunately.... there = always seems to misinformation. &nbsp;here is the correction: <BR> <BR>An apparently false story has been circulating on the internet = requesting <BR>donations of booties for the search dogs who are working to locate <BR>survivors/bodies at the site of the WTC tragedy. &nbsp;This story is = not true <BR>and correct information needs to be circulated in its place. <BR> <BR>According to the NDSDF (National Search Dog Disaster Foundation), = there are <BR>two types of search dogs: <BR> <BR>Disaster Search Dogs: &nbsp;These dogs search through the rubble of = downed <BR>buildings to locate humans. &nbsp;Utilization of these dogs is = coordinated by <BR>FEMA or your local Office of Emergency Services (OES). &nbsp;To = determine <BR>whether search dogs have been deployed to any disaster site, you can <BR>contact FEMA or your local OES. <BR> <BR>Wilderness Search Dogs: &nbsp;These dogs search woods, landslides, = avalanches, <BR>etc. to locate humans. Your local sherrif's office coordinates those = efforts. <BR> <BR>If you wish to make a donation to assist the Search Dog teams in NY, = the <BR>NDSDF requests that all donations be in monetary form. The teams (dog = &amp; <BR>handler) are totally responsible for everything themselves. &nbsp;This = includes <BR>food &amp; clothing, hotel rooms, medical care, transportation, and = even <BR>protective booties for the dogs. <BR> <BR>If you would like to assist the search dog effort, you can make a = direct <BR>donation to a local search team, or you can make a contribution to the =   <BR>NDSDF at: <BR> <BR>National Disaster Search Dog Foundation <BR>323 E Matilijia, #110-245 <BR>Ojai, CA 93023 <BR> <BR>Telephone 1-888-646-7842 <BR> <BR>http://www.ndsdf.org/ <BR> <BR>Please forward to as many lists as possible, as the previous = information <BR>regarding the need for booties was incorrect. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15e.e96739.28d4f80e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: A Personal Thought From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:48:36 -0400   If you read the editorial carefully the part about the weakness of the American dollar should have tipped people off that this was an old editorial. I remember hearing the original broadcast on CFRB, but I think = it was 1975-- not 1973. It was exactly what one least expected to hear in Toronto at that time. When you consider that until about 20 years ago there was a pervasive, but weak anti-American sentiment existing in the City since the war of 1812 = when the U.S. Army invaded Toronto ( York then ) and burned our Government buildings (that act was avenged two years later when the British invaded Washington and torched a few government buildings including the = presidential mansion-the subsequent repair of which necessitated a change in name to = the "Whitehouse").   Unfortunately, my memories of Gordon Sinclair are not good. By the time he owned enough of CFRB he would, every year a few days before Christmas, broadcast a diatribe of mind boggling proportions against Christianity. Pure, unbridled hatred. Toronto was a tolerant city and people more or = less accepted it as a sort of weird Christmas tradition. I should point out = that he was without religious affiliation of any kind. I understand earlier in life a personal tragedy had so affected him he decided to blame God for = it.   I apologize for being way off topic. It was a relative pleasure to think = of something else for a while.....   A. Mead Port Hope, Canada   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Douglas A Campbell Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:11 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A Personal Thought   I would point out that Mr. Gordon Sinclair's broadcast of this commentary was done in June of 1973 !!!