PipeChat Digest #2375 - Saturday, September 15, 2001
 
Re: Hatred and the right to speak out
  by "Kristen Jones" <wufeisgirl@yahoo.com>
Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center
  by "Kristen Jones" <wufeisgirl@yahoo.com>
Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Architect's rendition
  by "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net>
Re: Architect's rendition
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
back to you Paul
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Another message from Pastor Suehr
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: A beautiful tribute
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: A beautiful tribute
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
[Fwd: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center]
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: fundamentalism
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Return to Normalcy--Please
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: America the Beautiful [X post]
  by "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
Felix Hell's Birthday Party
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Hatred and the right to speak out From: "Kristen Jones" <wufeisgirl@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:10:19 -0700 (PDT)   What do you lads think about this?   "He who gives up freedom for a little bit of safety deserves neither freedom nor safety."   I, personally, agree with it. To an extent.   __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/  
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:19:07 -0400   > hehehehehe!!! > > [Image]   Unfortunately, the actually image didn't make it through. Please try it again, directly to me.   TommyLee    
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center From: "Kristen Jones" <wufeisgirl@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:00:59 -0700 (PDT)   I got it. It's funny. Tommy... you want me to send it, or did you already get it. it's hilarious!   --- TommyLee Whitlock <tommylee@whitlock.org> wrote: > > hehehehehe!!! > > > > [Image] > > Unfortunately, the actually image didn't make it > through. Please try it > again, directly to me. > > TommyLee > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/  
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:27:38 EDT     --part1_a5.1b824787.28d521ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Wha hoppened to the graphic caption that was with that rendition last = night???   LOL   Phil L.   --part1_a5.1b824787.28d521ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wha hoppened to the = graphic caption that was with that rendition last night??? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>LOL <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Phil L</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D4 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">.</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_a5.1b824787.28d521ca_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition From: "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:28:22 -0400   Hello,   It would be nice to see a hyper link rather than a bunch of gibberish and gobbledygook........   JVDS  
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:02:23 -0500   Note to all:   Unfortunately, attatchments (picture files, etc) are prohibited from being sent through the listserver. Marika's picture was sent embedded into an email message, so might have squeaked by into a few folk's systems -- most will get gibberish or nothing at all.   Marika, it'd be best if you could put the pic on a website somewhere and post the URL to that site on Pipechat -- I'd like to see it too, I think! (we ALL could probably use a chuckle or two!).   Thank you all --   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator    
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:49:43 -0400     --------------126A74704A6D429D33B3529F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey Phil, Marika was smart enough to sneak the picture past the server. Did you want to get her kicked off the list as well? :-)   Mike (who feels good to smile again)   ORGANUT@aol.com wrote:   > Wha hoppened to the graphic caption that was with that rendition last > night??? > > LOL > > Phil L.   --------------126A74704A6D429D33B3529F Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hey Phil, <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Marika was smart enough to sneak the picture past the server. Did you want to get her kicked off the list as well?&nbsp; :-) <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike (who feels good to smile again) <p>ORGANUT@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Wha = hoppened to the graphic caption that was with that rendition last = night???</font></font> <p><b><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D+1>LOL</font></font></font></b> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Phil = L</font><font size=3D+1>.</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------126A74704A6D429D33B3529F--    
(back) Subject: Re: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:50:28 -0400   oops....my sincerest apologies for that.....   Here's the link:   http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/NewWorldTradeCenter.jpg   Administrator wrote:   > Note to all: > > Unfortunately, attatchments (picture files, etc) are prohibited from = being > sent through the listserver. Marika's picture was sent embedded into an > email message, so might have squeaked by into a few folk's systems -- = most > will get gibberish or nothing at all. > > Marika, it'd be best if you could put the pic on a website somewhere and > post the URL to that site on Pipechat -- I'd like to see it too, I = think! > (we ALL could probably use a chuckle or two!). > > Thank you all -- > > Tim Bovard > Pipechat Co-Administrator > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: back to you Paul From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:16:20 -0400   Subject: Re: a Pastoral Message (and a note to Paul) From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:52:34 -0400   Dear Wayne, I guess my message today can somewhat let you know why I feel the way I feel. I fear for America, a country which I love dearly. I saw my youth disappear in war but it was my 15 minutes of glory to work with those who gave their supreme sacrifice. There are no more glorious heros than American servicemen especially those I knew in the United States Air Force. Paul ************************************** Thanks Paul... unfortunately that one derogatory name just set me off and at that point I quickly stepped up to the plate...(or came out swinging) I too am a republican and I happen to think more of Bush Jr. than I did of Bush Sr. (he always reminded me of Oscar... (I think that was his name ) on the 6 million dollar man!!!).   Anyway, I think that our current administration ( no one's perfect) probably has more going for it at this very point than any we've had in a while. I attribute much of this to Colin Powell too. Hopefully George will have enough leadership to be able to temper any far right views as a public servant and leave them to his more personal life (which at least he exhibited some true character and sincerity in the memorial service) and use good common sense to lead this country along an even keel that will benefit that country as a whole, thus disregarding the extremes of both the ultra left and the ultra right, which we don't need!   I have little use for people whose thinking is on the fringe like Falwell or Hillary Clinton, who consistently preach their way or no way. I certainly don't want to see either of them as president... but that's my personal view! I think we can all say that this is is certainly not limited only one party or philosophy.   I am glad to see that we are not just aimlessly bombing who ever the hell we want right now as others have done in the past.... not mentioning any names here....   What ever we do has to be well thought out and with carried out with intelligence and conviction to complete the objective. these are tough times and I'm glad to see the country for the most part united! It is a real sobering sight to see American flags hanging from overpasses going down the highway.   Take care and God bless us all!   I'm going away for vacation to the beach with my family so you guys are free to flame me while I'm gone :>)   Wayne            
(back) Subject: Another message from Pastor Suehr From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:20:44 -0400   At 8:45 a.m. on Tuesday morning September 11th, our world changed. In a little over two hours, both of the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City were destroyed, the Pentagon was damaged, and a plane headed toward Washington D.C. crashed in Somerset County, which is about 50 miles from where we are right now. Death and injuries are still estimated in the tens of thousands. Just as things have never been the same since December 7, 1941, they will never be the same from here on. Both days will live in infamy. So many questions confront us and so few answers are available. As I watched the TV, listened to the radio, listened to people in our community, talked with children, attended prayer vigils, and met with other clergy, I have been struck by the questions: Why did they do that? How can people be so evil? Who is to blame? Where is God? What can I do? And are we still in danger? In the light of all these questions, it is once again become painfully clear that there truly is evil in this world. God is not the source of this evil. Evil exists because of humanity=92s rejection of God. Free will allows us to choose those things that are contrary to the will of the Lord. The evil one and our own evil nature create the pain, sorrow, and brokenness surrounding us that affects all of our relationships. As Lutherans we know that this heinous event of last Tuesday must have a just solution. It is the function of government to protect and give order to society. We might be surprised to know how strongly Luther believed in the role and rule of government. Brother Martin said that: The greatest necessity in this world is a strict temporal power. The world cannot be ruled according to the Gospel, for the sphere of influence that the Word has is too small and limited. The Word lays hold of few; not one man in a thousand will accept it. Therefore you cannot establish and external rule with it. The Holy Spirit has a little flock, the rest are all harlots and rogues. They require a temporal sword. If temporal power does not administer justice strictly, everyone grabs what he can. Then follows rebellion, murdering, warring, ravishing of wife and children, so that no one can live securely. Mr. Everybody is no Christian. The king, the princes, and the lords must use the sword and remove heads. In all the pain and sorrow that is around is, we realize that we live in a dangerous world. We don=92t live in a Christian world. There are evil people in the world who hate us simply because of who we are. As Christians we simultaneously are called to love the world and do what we can to contain and control evil.   A high school friend of mine emailed me about the events of September 11th. He expressed his concern that the most dangerous thing that the terrorists brought into our country was hate. He hit the nail on the head. I firmly support our president in his quest to eliminate terrorism. I know it will take planning and sacrifice. We must do what we can to keep this kind of thing from happening again here or any place in the world. However, hating people because of their national origin or color or race is not what justice is all about. The words of people like Jerry Falwell only import hate and not responsible action. Sadly and realistically, as long as human sin exists there will be acts of diabolic destruction. I believe that what Christian faith offers to this and other tragedies is contained in a true story I heard about 25 years ago. Dr. Bruce Thielman was the Dean of the Chapel at Grove City College. As I was listening in the chapel, Dr. Thielman told of a pilot friend who had many years of experience. Dr. Thielman was actually terrified of flying just like John Madden the former coach of the Oakland Raiders and football commentator. He asked the pilot how he could fly with all the dangers involved. Thielman had great fear of the plane going down. The pilot friend replied, =93Even if I go down, I know that I=92m going up.=94 In light of all tragedies and death, our Christian faith reminds us that even if we go down, we know that we are going up. The pain and brokenness of this world will always fill us with questions of why this and why that. Evil will exist even in our own midst. We will not have answers to all those questions of =93Why?=94 on this side of eternity. However, we can know that God is with us. We can pray that our government act in a prudent and honorable manner to eliminate terrorism. We can support those given the commission of bringing the guilty to justice. We can assist all those organizations that bring relief to the suffering, like Lutheran World Relief. We can invite those who need to know the love of God to come and worship with us. We can do our best to be lights in the darkness of this world. Where there is hate, let us sow love. All this is possible through Christ who strengthens us. Remember that even if we go down, we are going up. Thanks be to God. Amen        
(back) Subject: Re: A beautiful tribute From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:36:30 -0500   Thanks, Bruce. That's a lovely picture.   John Speller   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > I received a beautiful photograph of the WTC > towers in the shadow of St. Paul's Chapel. It > is not possible to send attachments to the > lists, so I invite you to visit my webpage < > http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ > and click > on *Tower Memorial* at the top of the opening > page. The photograph was taken several years > ago by an architect visiting NYC.    
(back) Subject: Re: A beautiful tribute From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:22:47 -0500   Thank you Bruce - a very moving photo.   I, along with others I am sure, have been concerned about St. Paul's Chapel, which is right in the shadows of the former WTC. From checking the emergency page of the Trinity Church web site I have learned that the chapel is still standing and seems to be OK. The following is copied from the web site: ************************* ST. PAUL'S CHAPEL   The bells at St. Paul's rang out at noon today, Friday. Trinity = staffers Jim Doran and Mike Borrero gained access to the chapel for an inspection, which confirmed no visible damage apart from some broken windows.   St. Paul's, the oldest public building in continuous use in Manhattan = and the church in which George Washington gave thanks for his inauguration, is across the street from where the World Trade Center stood. It is a = chapel of the Parish of Trinity Church. *************************   Right now as i write this Trinity Parish is working to figure out where they will be able to have services tomorrow morning. Although it will not be possible for them to worship in Trinity Church itself they are working to have their services as close as possible to Trinity as they can get.   If folks want to follow what is going on at Trinity their Emergency Web Page is at: http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/emergency.html   David      
(back) Subject: [Fwd: Architect's rendition of the New World Trade Center] From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:45:48 -0400   > For those of you who might be interested in a little information about = the > World Trade Center, check out this link: > > http://www.GreatBuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html > > and of course, the main link, http://www.GreatBuildings.com is loaded = with > great and interesting stuff.    
(back) Subject: Re: fundamentalism From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:25:07 -0400   Bruce, et al,   I'm afraid that you missed the poinot of my post. I was not being critical of the music publisher, but rather the "commerialism" exhibited by Fallwell and Robertson as they tried to blame the "gays and liberals" for this tragedy.   I am also a bit confused by your comment: "I believe if you check your memory banks that you will > find that most ALL of your music was purchased. " Mainly because I have never tried to sell any of MY music       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY           On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:28:10 EDT Cremona502@cs.com writes: > In a message dated 9/15/01 12:17:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dougcampbell@juno.com writes: > > > > In a discussion of "what music to play ?" there was a post from a > > publisher suggesting a particular piece, and the web site fo their > > catalog. This evoked some harsh critism about "commerializing a > tragic > > event". Are not the comments by Fallwell and Robertson really just > the > > same sort of "commercialism" ??????? > > Absolutely not! The Dellamano's were simply trying to share a > piece of > music written by him. I went to the site and it is a stunningly > beautiful > piece, and most appropriate for the time. They indicated where it > could be > found in the event that someone wanted to use it. The price was > not > inflated. I believe if you check your memory banks that you will > find that > most ALL of your music was purchased. > > Had they not indicated where the piece could be found, there would > have been > posts asking where. I am appalled at the hatred from this list > toward > these fellow church musicians who were simply endeavoring to share > their > offerings and talents with the rest of the group. > > I'm really ashamed of all who have participated in this injustice > and > unkindness. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, > Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/  
(back) Subject: Return to Normalcy--Please From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:16:28 -0400   Dearest List members, I post this with the highest regard for all who are grieving for loved ones, venting their frustrations, and posting materials relevant to the tragedy. I applaud our list administrators who have been compassionately patient with all the off topic messages that haven't the slightest relevance to the stated purpose of these lists. It is unfortunate that many of these messages also violate the strict guidelines concerning the derision of all people, whether list members or other public officials. You may be getting away with this right now because of the leeway our administrators have granted us, but you can be sure your remarks are being archived, and you may have to answer for them latter. In 1974, my Father died, and what I remember most was the continuous parade of family and friends coming to the house to pay their respects. Each encounter was like another hammer blow to my emotions, and it seemed to never end. I am beginning to feel the same way about the tragedy. It dominates and permeates every segment of the media, it is the subject of every conversation with everyone I talk to, and the outright display of hatred by so many, seems to underscore what caused the tragedy in the first place. So what I ask you all, is, please allow these organ lists to begin their return to normalcy. Let us share our love for the organ and its music again. Let the teachers give some lessons, and let the students ask some questions. Tell us about the concerts you have attended, and post your service music so that we may all know. And remember, if we let the events of Sept. 11 dominate every shred of our existence, then the terrorists have been wildly successful in their goal to disrupt our lives in the most complete way possible. Since joining Piporg-L and Pipechat, I have found them to be a refuge and a most pleasurable distraction from the grim realities of every day life. I desperately need to be distracted and sheltered again for a little while each day. I feel many of you might agree. I don't want to forget what happened on Sept. 11, nor wish to minimize the importance of it to all of us, but I do want the first steps of healing to begin. I beg you to get on with the agenda of these lists, because I truly think we all need it more than we know.   Respectfully Mike Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Re: America the Beautiful [X post] From: "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:13:42 -0400   noel jones wrote: > > Of the many requests I have had for the reharmonization of the hymntune > "America" (which we sing as "My Country, Tis of Thee) a number have come > from around the world, from organists who wish to remember the United > States in coming services, especially those who have visitors from the > United States. > > A number have mentioned "America the Beautiful" as sung by Ms. Graves > today in the service from the National Cathedral. Since it is not > available generally...and even unknown...outside of the United States, I > have found a copy of the words and music and will forward it to anyone > in need. > > This was written in the late 1800's and is most definitely in the public > domain as is the "America". The hymntune may be familiar to some as = "Materna". > > Just email me and I will send it off. > > noel jones > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Hello, Noel! You are always so nice to share! I'm the lady, few months ago, that you FAXED the hymn "Precious Memories" to. You were my only respondent. I was wondering: Would it be any expense or trouble for you to FAX this "America the Beautiful" to me? FAX NUMBER: 1-252-537-2975. I am in the US, in North Carolina. Thank You, Noel, if this is possible for you.............. -Jane Hanudel  
(back) Subject: Felix Hell's Birthday Party From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:22:34 EDT   Dear List Members:   Last night I finally got to meet Felix Hell, and also had the opportunity = to enjoy an evening of prayer, song, and a variety of young, talented = organists performing in his honor. I am going to leave the review of the evening to =   Malcolm Wechsler, as he has always been the unofficial concert reviewer = for the chatlist, and I seem to be the organbuilding curmudgeon and war correspondent.   I will say, however, that both Felix and his parents are amazingly fun, = open, and loving people. Any thoughts one might have of the overbearing "stage parents" or the stuck-up child prodigy vanish when one immediately latches =   onto the joy they have for what they do, and how they share it.   The evening began with a candle-lit ceremony at the base of the CitiCorp tower, at which were sung hymns and songs; we proceeded to a DELICIOUS church supper, followed by several fine, young musicians who will welcome Felix into their ranks at Curtis, ending the evening with a period of silence, and a period of birthday-cake eating.   As these young organists hone their already dazzling techniques under the aegis of John Weaver, they will mature emotionally, and it will be = reflected in their musical interpretations. None of us played the organ at 16 as we =   will at 50 -- we haven't lived enough, had our hearts broken enough, been betrayed enough, or found the love of our life yet. HOWEVER, innocence, youth, excitement, and exuberance, with the promise of a bright future, translate into VERY exciting playing, and a very present joy. Certainly, = the sobering events of Tuesday HAVE affected their souls, and may be an interpretational reference point in their performances later in life.   To those of us who managed to make it in last night, we are fortunate that =   the event was NOT cancelled, and that Felix and his parents made such an effort to get him back to NYC, despite his stress and fatigue.   Sebastian