PipeChat Digest #2383 - Monday, September 17, 2001
 
RE: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat)
  by "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
RE: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: the worst in NYC
  by "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net>
Re: "lifestyle"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: the worst in NYC
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com>
Bible Reading
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: My letter to my Senator
  by "Michael K. Cronin" <mcronin@iag.net>
Re: Bible Reading
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: 32 ft Resultants (correction)
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: the worst in NYC
  by <Mozart609@aol.com>
Re: the worst in NYC
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat) From: "Joshua F. Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:04:56 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0002_01C13FC4.C94A1560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To all:   I'm sorry for my harsh words. On the contrary, I do have a problem with this, but I am willing to look past my differences to continue to have access to this vast library of knowledge on organs and the such. I will remove my harsh words from now on provided that others remove their's.   Sincerely,   Joshua F. Edwards -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Ray Ahrens Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:56 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat)     Can we please take this off list?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua F. Edwards Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:53 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: the worst in NYC   >>Anyone who has ever read the Bible knows that Soddom and Gomorrah = were >>destroyed for failing to provide hospitality to strangers. Nothing = is >>mentioned about homosexuality in any passage in the Bible about = Soddom and >>Gomorrah. Why not try reading it for a change?   On the contrary, John,.... read this!!!!   Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that they were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called = to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring = them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them = at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing = the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that = the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast = any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; = they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, = nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and = receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0002_01C13FC4.C94A1560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt = =3D verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001><FONT face=3D3Dverdana>To=3D20 all:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001><FONT face=3D3Dverdana>I'm sorry = for =3D my harsh=3D20 words.&nbsp; On the contrary, I do have a problem with this, but I am =3D willing to=3D20 look past my differences to continue to have access to this vast library = =3D of=3D20 knowledge on organs and the such.&nbsp; I will remove my harsh words =3D from now on=3D20 provided that others remove their's.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Dverdana>Sincerely,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580430302-18092001><FONT face=3D3Dverdana>Joshua = F.=3D20 Edwards</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr = align=3D3Dleft><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ray =3D Ahrens<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D20 Monday, September 17, 2001 9:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =3D PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B>=3D20 Re: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;Can we please take this off list?&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 Joshua F. Edwards</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 17, = =3D 2001 8:53=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> PipeChat</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: the worst in =3D NYC</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt;&gt;Anyone who has ever read the Bible knows =3D that=3D20 Soddom and Gomorrah were<BR>&gt;&gt;destroyed for failing to provide = =3D   hospitality to strangers.&nbsp; Nothing is<BR>&gt;&gt;mentioned =3D about=3D20 homosexuality in any passage in the Bible about Soddom=3D20 and<BR>&gt;&gt;Gomorrah.&nbsp; Why not try reading it for a=3D20 change?<BR><BR>On the contrary, John,.... read =3D this!!!!<BR><BR>Anyone who=3D20 has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that =3D they<BR>were=3D20 notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called = to=3D20 Lot<BR>and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? = =3D Bring=3D20 them out<BR>to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot =3D went out to=3D20 them at the<BR>doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, =3D 'Please, my=3D20 brothers, do<BR>not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New =3D Testament for=3D20 homosexuality is<BR>literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to =3D redefine what=3D20 the term "sodomite"<BR>means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 =3D years, even=3D20 today- "sodomy") Apart<BR>from the fact the city was clearly =3D destroyed by=3D20 God because of homosexuality<BR>in the narrative of Gen 19, even the = =3D New=3D20 Testament clearly states exactly<BR>the same thing in Jude 7 "Just =3D as Sodom=3D20 and Gomorrah and the cities around<BR>them, since they in the same =3D way as=3D20 these indulged in gross immorality and<BR>went after strange flesh, =3D are=3D20 exhibited as an example, in undergoing the<BR>punishment of eternal = =3D fire."=3D20 Any sinner should always remember that the God<BR>who commands us to = =3D love=3D20 our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and<BR>all =3D unrepentant=3D20 sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes,<BR>Lev = =3D 18:22-23=3D20 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it =3D is<BR>an=3D20 abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male = as=3D20 those<BR>who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a =3D detestable act;=3D20 they<BR>shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know = =3D that=3D20 the<BR>unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? 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(back) Subject: RE: the worst in NYC (the worst on pipechat) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:23:35 -0500   At 10:04 PM -0400 9/17/01, Joshua F. Edwards wrote: >To all: > >I'm sorry for my harsh words. On the contrary, I do have a problem >with this, but I am willing to look past my differences to continue >to have access to this vast library of knowledge on organs and the >such. I will remove my harsh words from now on provided that others >remove their's. > >Sincerely, > >Joshua F. Edwards   Thank you Joshua.   Right now many people's nerves are very raw especially those of the list members that live and work in New York. I have found out that their being able to share their fears and angers on these lists has been very good for them and have been of great help. And some of what they have said has needed to have been said.   David  
(back) Subject: RE: the worst in NYC From: "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:19:26 -0400   Dear Jonathan, Indeed, God loves you. He loves you dearly and truly, just as much as any straight man or woman. I firmly believe that! However, I equally aver that the lifestyle you have chosen is not a moral one at all. Since you have written to letters I will attempt to deal with them independently, but many of these issues are all bound up.   As a rather young person I have enjoyed seeing the good that has come out of this tragedy. Many are finding solace in God's house and communing with their fellow Christian brothers and sisters. But I must ponder whether all this GOD stuff really means much at all. All atheists have seemed to flee the face of the earth, only to be replaced with myriad Americans chanting God Bless America et cetera. But will this zeal last? Will we finally realize that God is present in both the bad times and the good? Why does it take us a National tragedy to truly proclaim God's name as it ought to be everyday.   On this list, many have been bashing Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. If you wish to decry their stated opinions this is indeed your privilege and right as an American. But please, do not just openly attack them without justifying your position. Quote them and the context if possible. Although I have no reason to fear a lack of candor on your part , I would like some evidence before I formulate an educated opinion regarding this matter. In an attempt to do so I've gone on the internet and wish to provide these quotes from abcnews.com.   God, he told Robertson, had protected America ''wonderfully these past 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time we have been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. " Throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools,'' he said. '' The abortionists have got to bear some responsibility for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad.   '' The pagans, the abortionists, the feminists, the gays, and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way-- all of them who have tried to secularize America, '' Falwell continued, '' I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.''   ''Well I totally concur,'' responded Robertson.   I am deeply confused that you, a member of the ACLU, and other liberals on this list would want to cart Robertson and Falwell off to a terrorist country, and then deprived of their rights. How can you ever accuse others of intolerance?? You speak far better of Bin-Laden then you do of either Falwell or Robertson. However, I do think I should try and understand your position. Obviously, Bud and you are very emotionally tied up in this whole affair. While this does not pardon any impolitic or unjust thing you might say against Robertson and Falwell, it does make it more understandable. With this in mind, I'll excuse Bud's drag queen and cockroach analogy as simply an illustration rather than construing that he wants them impaled and eviscerated.   Many people on this list are arbitrarily throwing out the word 'Fundamentalist' . You really should think about what you are doing. The are basically 5 groups identified today that entail most conservative Christians: Catholics, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Fundamentalists, and Pentecostals. Among all of these, no major distinction exists with regard to social morality. This, of course, includes homosexuality. As far as I know, all of the above, which make up the vast majority of American Christians, condemn it. ( My father is a Baptist minister and I attend a Catholic school :--)) interesting, eh!!)   Personally, I am not a Fundamentalist; I consider myself to be an Evangelical, and as far as I know, so does Falwell. There are indeed problems with Fundamentalists and extreme right-wingers who hate gays. I neither participate in or enjoy their promulgation of hatred against our fellow man. This bale must be condemned. " They will know we are Christians by our *LOVE*. However, this does not prevent me from believing that homosexual acts are depraved.   The official Catholic position is stated quite well in the Catechism: "Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction towards persons of the same sex.'' It continues, ''Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity ( Gen: 19:1-29; Rom. 1:24-27; I Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10), tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered'' ( Personana Humana 8).'' They are contrary to natural law. It continues, "Under no circumstances can they be approved. The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not chose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. The *must* be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.''   Pope John Paul also states, '' .....an overly benign representation was given to the homosexual condition it self, some going so far as to call it neutral, or even good. *Although the particular inclination of the Homosexual person is not a sin*, it is more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder. Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of the orientation is a morally acceptable option. It is not. ....''It is only in the marital relationship that the use of the sexual faculty can be morally good. A person engaging in homosexual behavior therefore acts immorally.   All of the above coupled with scripture, and fine scholarship dating before Christ, pretty much closes the issue of whether homosexual *acts* are wrong from a Christian perspective. Thus, If homosexual acts constitute sin in the mind of God, it is his right to punish those who commit these acts e.g., Sodom and Gamorah.... We *ALL* are sinners. Neither Jonathan B. Hall, Allan Jackson (me) , Father Judge, Falwell, Robertson, or even the Pope *deserve* heaven. We simply cannot earn it! We are indeed on the same sinking boat, Jonathan. Only by God's grace will any of us make it to heaven. However, unrepentant sin will keep us out.     In light of all this, I feel God's punishment might have something to do with these past terrorists attacks. Sure, WE Christians love to sit back in our furnished pews and listen to how much God loves us, and cares for us, et cetera. But what we don't want to hear is the Bible's perennially call to *repentance*! God's judgment on the human race is throughout history. You only need to look so far as your own Bible to see that much. Proverbs says that the Lord punishes those he *loves*. WE are indeed Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God as Jonathan Edwards so eloquently put it. God is merciful, but God is a jealous and *just* God as well.   I hope I haven't been too 'thickheaded, obtuse, mean' :-). My own uncle died of AIDS 8 years back ( I was about 7 years old) :--(( I loved him just as I love all gay people. Luckily, he repented before he died.   God Bless YOU! Congratulation on the F.A.G.O certificate! I hope to achieve this high distinction some day.   In Friendship, Allan Carl Jackson III        
(back) Subject: Re: "lifestyle" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:37:15 EDT   Ah, the "gay" "lifestyle."   So many stylish, sophisticated, cultured, upper-middle class people. What = a lifestyle. And what an enviable one at that. Even HETEROSEXUALS who lead =   such wonderfully nice lifestyles are to be envied and admired.   Their sexuality, however, is really none of my business. We'd ALL love to =   change our lifestyles, up the ante, jump a class or two; we're Americans, =   Capitalists, Consumers. It's all ABOUT lifestyle.   But other peoples' sexuality really doesn't interest me, and I am = intelligent enough to know the difference between sexuality and lifestyle, and which = one is really important. One of the benefits of education and literacy. Is ignorance a lifestyle?   ..  
(back) Subject: RE: the worst in NYC From: "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:38:15 -0700   OK, okay, enough already. Everyone put a sock in it!   If it's not about organs, don't write about it, get it?!?!?!!?!! --sam   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of ... Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:19 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: RE: the worst in NYC   ....endless drivel...  
(back) Subject: Bible Reading From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:42:44 EDT   Of course one should NEVER lie with a man as one lies with a woman.   You ALWAYS tell your buddies the truth. You think a guy is gonna tell his wife EVERYTHING? Heck, guys HAVE to lie with women:   "No, honey, you don't look fat in that, you look GREAT," or "No, dear, four hundred dollars is perfectly reasonable for a pair of = shoes." When you lie with a man, it's different: "No, man, that dent was in your pickup when I borrowed it," or "Heck, I never TOUCHED your sister, I took her directly home to your = folks."   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: My letter to my Senator From: "Michael K. Cronin" <mcronin@iag.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:12:33 -0500   Steve Chandler wrote: Here's what I wrote my Senator.   Steve: I agree with your thoughts.   Should we also consider a cabinet level office specializing in all aspects of anti-terrorism -- intelligence gathering, security measures, tracking suspects, defense against biological warfare, planning covert activities, etc?   Wouldn't the "risks/gains" seem to justify such a focussed department?   ___________________________ Michael K. Cronin Ormond Beach, FL http://home.iag.net/~mcronin  
(back) Subject: Re: Bible Reading From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:00:32 -0500   >Of course one should NEVER lie with a man as one lies with a woman. > >You ALWAYS tell your buddies the truth. >You think a guy is gonna tell his wife EVERYTHING? >Heck, guys HAVE to lie with women: > >"No, honey, you don't look fat in that, you look GREAT," or >"No, dear, four hundred dollars is perfectly reasonable for a pair of = shoes." >When you lie with a man, it's different: >"No, man, that dent was in your pickup when I borrowed it," or >"Heck, I never TOUCHED your sister, I took her directly home to your = folks."   LOLOL!!!!!!!  
(back) Subject: Re: 32 ft Resultants (correction) From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:45:31 +1200     -----Original Message----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 18 September 2001 13:38 Subject: Re: 32 ft Resultants (correction)     > >"Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> , you could never hear the effect of a 32ft resultant at home, >> as the standing-wave of a 32ft pipe is about 40ft - you need to be that >> distance away to hear the bottom note! > >While this is true of a real 32' stop, such as a 32' Double Open Wood, >Contra Violone, Sub Bourdon or Contra Trombone, a 32' Resultant does not >actually need to produce any 32' standing waves. The only standing waves >are from the 16' and 10.2/3' that create it, and it works by a trick of = the >ear. Of course, in a very small room you won't get the 16' and 10.2/3' >standing waves either, and in that case you won't hear the resultant either. > >John Speller > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > Dear John, re: 32fts again. Thanks for your comment. It's not quite true to say that Resultants are only a trick of the ear. At Wellington Cathedral, a large building with 8secs.reverb and a seating capacity of about 1,000, the 32ft flue these days is a wooden Bourdon. Before that, there was a Resultant: i.e. the 32ft Acoustic Bass used the Open Wood 16ft at suboctave pitch down to TenC and then used the bottom octave of the Open Wood and the Quint of the SubBass (also wood) for the bottom octave. If it was only a trick of my ears, then the building = wouldn't have shook the way it used to, especially from about EEEE down. It was a stunning sound, far more effective than the present pathetic weak 32ft Bourdon - which, incidentally, was made by a large-scale Open Wood 16ft being stoppered and cut-up slightly. No, from this and other experiences I'm convinced that the effect is in = the building, not just the ear. In the same way, lp's (vinyl 33 1/3rds) always sound better than CDs, because a CD stops at 20,000cps and a good record will go beyond 30,000. = Of course, of course, you can't hear that frequency, but what you DO HEAR is the resultants dropped within the audible range. So, a brilliant organist and recording engineer I utterly respect for the quality of his "ear" says that the woofer on a hi-fi set provides the bass (no argument), but the midrange speaker provides the treble + bits of highs and lows, and the job of the tweeter is mostly to drop inaudible very high frequencies into mid-range pitch that you can hear: hence the lack of richness in a violin = on CD, the violin having so many upper harmonics that are just not "heard" or recorded by a CD. That is not just an effect of the ear, either, as it = could not be actually recorded, surely if it was an ear thing only. So, I stand by my remark. Listen to the 32ft Resultant in the late 19th-century T.C.Lewis in London in Southwark Cathedral, and there you'll hear an absolutely stunning 32ft Resultant - the actual pipes go to about AAAA only. There, the building shakes, too: not just an ear effect! Kind regards, Ross Wards    
(back) Subject: Re: the worst in NYC From: <Mozart609@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:39:03 EDT     --part1_112.4c445b0.28d81bd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ENOUGH WITH THE GAY BASHING!!!!!I have had it with this crap. I wish that = the "Bible-bangers" would go away and play their Hammond's with stuck = tremolos.   This kind of condemnation is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.   MRW   --part1_112.4c445b0.28d81bd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><B>ENOUGH WITH THE = GAY BASHING!!!!!I have had it with this crap. I wish that the = "Bible-bangers" would go away and play their Hammond's with stuck = tremolos. <BR> <BR>This kind of condemnation is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. <BR> <BR>MRW</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_112.4c445b0.28d81bd7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the worst in NYC From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:21:15 -0400   At 11:39 PM 17/09/2001 -0400, Mozart609@aol.com wrote: >I wish that the "Bible-bangers" would go away and play their Hammond's >with stuck tremolos.   On behalf of decent Hammond folk everywhere, I object to your suggestion of cursing us us with those hateful individuals. We don't need =   negativity any more than anybody else on this list, we're already getting enough of it.   If we must, must MUST bash someone else to feel better about ourselves as musicians, how about a rotating schedule to allow for healing? Could we please switch to bashing zither players for a little while? Or didjeriwhatsitists? Or tambourine shakers? Would that make = any more sense? LOL   I also object to HTML posts. :) Plain text only please. See this url for directions on how to do this with AOL 6.0:   http://members.aol.com/adamkb/aol/mailfaq/#aol6html   Have fun! Ad ;->