PipeChat Digest #2384 - Tuesday, September 18, 2001
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #2380 - 09/17/01
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Death and Christianicity
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: PipeChat Digest #2380 - 09/17/01
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: the worst in NYC
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: "lifestyle"
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2381 - 09/17/01
  by "rfziegler" <rfziegler@ameritech.net>
IN response to NYC where do we go from here....
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2383 - 09/17/01
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2382 - 09/17/01
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2383 - 09/17/01
  by "Neil Shepherd" <neilshepherd@blueyonder.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2380 - 09/17/01 From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:46:11 EDT     --part1_c1.14081aa1.28d82b93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/17/2001 4:41:51 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:     > I'm wondering how long the themes of mourning and/or patriotism should > be carried on in the Sunday services. In the US, at least, I'm thinking > that the prayers for the dead and some sort of musical commemoration of > them should continue until all the funerals are over; as to the > patriotic, well, we're going to war ...   I haven't decided yet.... but probably we'll probably go on with the patriotic theme and even throw in Abide With Me and Battle Hymn of the Republic again.... My emotions have been so hateful since all of this happened I can barely think straight (and I never think "straight" = anyhow...) but militaristic hymns seem appropriate and I hope we are able to whoop = some major ass soon and be done with the ordeal. Unfortunately, I'm afraid = this will not be the case and I pray for patience, planning, strategy, and compassion on the part of our politicians and military leaders.   John Dallas       --part1_c1.14081aa1.28d82b93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/17/2001 4:41:51 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm wondering how = long the themes of mourning and/or patriotism should <BR>be carried on in the Sunday services. In the US, at least, I'm = thinking <BR>that the prayers for the dead and some sort of musical commemoration = of <BR>them should continue until all the funerals are over; as to the <BR>patriotic, well, we're going to war ...</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I haven't decided yet.... but probably we'll probably go on with the = patriotic theme and even throw in Abide With Me and Battle Hymn of the = Republic again.... &nbsp;My emotions have been so hateful since all of = this happened I can barely think straight (and I never think "straight" = anyhow...) but militaristic hymns seem appropriate and I hope we are able = to whoop some major ass soon and be done with the ordeal. = &nbsp;Unfortunately, I'm afraid this will not be the case and I pray for = patience, planning, strategy, and compassion on the part of our = politicians and military leaders. <BR> <BR>John <BR>Dallas <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_c1.14081aa1.28d82b93_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Death and Christianicity From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:53:10 EDT   Dear Mr. Edwards:   Tuesday morning, two young women, their hair and clothing in flames, held hands, and stepped out of their 105th floor office for the last time.   They stepped out the window, hand in hand, burning, not wishing to die = alone, and wanting their certain end to be merciful and quick. For them, the = plunge must have seemed much longer than the eternity it seemed for those = observing from the ground.   May you never, ever know the cannon-shot, sickening thud of a buckling sidewalk as skeletons shatter against it from more than a thousand feet = up. I am intrigued at what YOU might be thinking at that instant. Would you = be consumed by the abject horror of this completely unprocessable vision? Or =   would you wonder, amidst the shrieking and agonzing cries, why they were holding hands?   The God I know has less patience for the sanctimonious, self-righteous, ignorant spewers of hatred than he does for those who chose to love. More =   humans have been slaughtered in the misinterpreted words of The Almighty = than in any war or act of terror, and YOU, in all your twisted glory, have NO concept of life as it is.   Get on a plane, come to New York City, and bring your work gloves and gas mask. The corpses are still rotting and burning, and we need noble souls such as yourself. The real Christian heroes here are too exhausted to = stay awake, and too fearful to sleep, because the nightmares take over when = their eyelids fall shut.   SMG  
(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat Digest #2380 - 09/17/01 From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:02:34 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C13FD5.37E939A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <SNIP> I hope we are able to whoop some major ass soon and be done with = the ordeal. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this will not be the case and I pray = for patience, planning, strategy, and compassion on the part of our = politicians and military leaders.     Actually, I find comfort in the hope that it will be patient, planned, strategic, and compassionate. At least THEN we'll be justified in our actions in the eyes of those outside our borders. :-)   Respectfully, Jeff     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C13FD5.37E939A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <meta http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C13FD5.3773BB80"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; 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</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>I hope we are able to whoop some major =3D ass soon and be done with the ordeal. &nbsp;Unfortunately, I'm afraid this will =3D not be the case and I pray for patience, planning, strategy, and compassion on = =3D the part of our politicians and military leaders. <br =3D style=3D3D'mso-special-character: line-break'> <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =3D style=3D3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![endif]></span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:wind= =3D owtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =3D class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Actually, I find comfort in the hope that it =3D will be patient, planned, strategic, and compassionate.<span =3D style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>At least THEN we&#8217;ll be justified in our actions = =3D in the eyes of those outside our borders.<span style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =3D </span></span></font></span><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DWingdings><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings= =3D ; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-char-type:sym= =3D bol; mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span =3D style=3D3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings'>J</span></span></font></span><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font = =3D size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =3D class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br> Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =3D class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3D2 = =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><span style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span></span></font><font =3D color=3D3Dblack><span style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= =3D /p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C13FD5.37E939A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: the worst in NYC From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:01:18 EDT     --part1_fd.c528602.28d82f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Johnathan,     I couldn't agree with you more. Those of us who are gay organists/choirmasters need to come forward and make our faces and names known. I've been quasi closeted for years and at this point I'm fed up = with the rhetroic and hatred that has been vollied around by so called = religious leaders and their ilke. I love America just as much as anyone else, if = not more, and I'm outraged at the statements from certain factions. I believe =   it's time we all stood up for ourselves, proclaim the love of Christ = Jesus, and make the World a bettter place. If nothing more, make your true = opinions known to your congressmen.   I'm off my soap box now.   John Dallas           --part1_fd.c528602.28d82f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Johnathan,</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I couldn't agree with you more. &nbsp;Those of us who are gay = organists/choirmasters need to come forward and make our faces and names = known. &nbsp;I've been quasi closeted for years and at this point I'm fed = up with the rhetroic and hatred that has been vollied around by so called = religious leaders and their ilke. &nbsp;I love America just as much as = anyone else, if not more, and I'm outraged at the statements from certain = factions. &nbsp;I believe it's time we all stood up for ourselves, = proclaim the love of Christ Jesus, and make the World a bettter place. = &nbsp;If nothing more, make your true opinions known to your congressmen. <BR> <BR>I'm off my soap box now. <BR> <BR>John <BR>Dallas <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_fd.c528602.28d82f1e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "lifestyle" From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:07:39 -0500   At 10:37 PM 9/17/01 -0400, you wrote: <much snipped> >Is ignorance a lifestyle?   I'm reminded of a bumpersticker I saw once and have never forgotten. How unfortunate that its legend is not actually true -- if so, perhaps = numerous notable events of the past few days would not have ever occurred.   "TOO BAD THAT IGNORANCE ISN'T PAINFUL"   TMB              
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2381 - 09/17/01 From: "rfziegler" <rfziegler@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:16:40 -0700   on 9/17/2001 6:36 PM, a certain person who shall remain nameless wrote:     > > I don't know which Bible you are reading, but here is an article I found > dealing with this issue...   I think you should learn the serenity prayer.     -- Bob Ziegler rfziegler@ameritech.net AIM: zieglerbob99 Yahoo: zieglerbob   "It is better to follow the Voice inside and be at war with the whole = world, than to follow the ways of the world at be at war with your deepest self." Michael Pastore      
(back) Subject: IN response to NYC where do we go from here.... From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:36:39 -0500   Peace be with you all:   In several lists over the past week, there have been long and heated exchanges about why, and in some cases, what we should do. I would hope that we would all consider the contents of the two links below, in deciding what course of action to take in the future.   First:   < www.msnbc.com/news/628455.asp?0ql=3Dcep >   then   < www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html >   Noel Stoutenburg    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2383 - 09/17/01 From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:42:00 EDT     --part1_61.139c8db8.28d854c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/17/2001 11:49:18 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:     > On the contrary, John,.... read this!!!! > > Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows = that > they > were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8   Yeah, well you and FARTWELL can suck my fat cock........ which I'm sure is =   exactly what you want.... you narrow minded and sick FUCK.   --part1_61.139c8db8.28d854c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/17/2001 11:49:18 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">On the contrary, = John,.... read this!!!! <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and = Gommorah" knows that <BR>they <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen = 19:5-8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Yeah, well you and FARTWELL can suck my fat cock........ which I'm = sure is exactly what you want.... you narrow minded and sick = FUCK.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_61.139c8db8.28d854c8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2382 - 09/17/01 From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:47:55 EDT     --part1_9d.1b67fd17.28d8562b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   David,   Please remove me from this list I have no use for such biggots and = assholes in my life....... I deal with enough of them as it is..... Not to mention = Bin Laden and Fartwell/Robertson...........   John   --part1_9d.1b67fd17.28d8562b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>David, <BR> <BR>Please remove me from this list I have no use for such biggots and = assholes in my life....... I deal with enough of them as it is..... Not to = mention Bin Laden and Fartwell/Robertson........... <BR> <BR>John</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9d.1b67fd17.28d8562b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2383 - 09/17/01 From: "Neil Shepherd" <neilshepherd@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:34:44 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C14025.268802E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Please remove me from this list - not having read previous threads of =3D this correspondence, I find it hard coming to terms with statements such = =3D as these. I will certainly ensure that copies of these comments are =3D circulated amongst the English organ fraternity and that all =3D references/details to/of this list are removed.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C14025.268802E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D2>Please = remove =3D me from this=3D20 list - not having read previous threads of this correspondence, I find =3D it hard=3D20 coming to terms with statements such as these. I will certainly ensure =3D that=3D20 copies of these comments are circulated amongst the English organ =3D fraternity and=3D20 that all references/details to/of this list are=3D20 removed.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C14025.268802E0--