PipeChat Digest #2390 - Wednesday, September 19, 2001
 
Re: Speagles
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Proselytizing
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: choir practices
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: choir practices
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Proselytizing
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Proselytizing
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Crude Comments
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: choir practices (LONG)
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Crude Comments
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
hymnal supplement suggestions (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:More Resultants (was32 ft Resultants (correction))
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: Proselytizing
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Speagles From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:14:52 EDT     --part1_15e.11ff6d3.28da2c8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/19/01 8:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes:     > http://community-2.webtv.net/Arooo/SPEAGLESPIX/ >   John, Thanks for sending that. The "Snoopster" is one of our beagle buddies = from our lists. Rev. Ed (Snoopy's "staff") is really creative and that is one =   cute doggie. Swims and lays around by the pool. Whuddahoot!   Thanks again.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_15e.11ff6d3.28da2c8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/19/01 8:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">http://community-2.webtv.net/Arooo/SPEAGLESPIX/ <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>John, <BR>Thanks for sending that. &nbsp;&nbsp;The "Snoopster" is one of our = beagle buddies from our lists. &nbsp;&nbsp;Rev. Ed (Snoopy's "staff") is = really creative and that is one cute doggie. &nbsp;&nbsp;Swims and lays = around by the pool. &nbsp;&nbsp;Whuddahoot! <BR> <BR>Thanks again. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_15e.11ff6d3.28da2c8c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Proselytizing From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:11:52 -0500   Robertson is, embarrassingly, a Yale law school graduate....   G-d only KNOWS what Robertson is ... confused, at best?   Good post, Sebastian!   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: choir practices From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:29:12 EDT     --part1_c0.1aeb9cd6.28da2fe8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Susan, I've never directed a choir (in 35 years) that liked warm-up exercises. I =   must confess that, as a singer, I don't like them either. I think it's critical for the choir to rehearse the hymns for Sunday, and they can be = used for warm up.   Take one phrase of a hymn and have them sing the melody using a vowel = sound. Repeat this several times, raising the key by half-steps and perhaps changing the vowel sound. After several times through the phrase, have = the choir sing one stanza of the the hymn in unison and then one in parts. An =   additional stanza could be added reversing the soprano and tenor lines for = a descant.   Then go to the anthem for Sunday, and then perhaps another anthem.   Then rehearse another hymn using the above method. Singing on vowels = will relax their voices and refocus their attention on blend.   Rehearse another anthem. To cover more anthems, rehearse only the more difficult parts of them, gradually increasing the amount of the anthem rehearsed as its "time" draws closer.   One very important thing (and I add this as a chorister) is to keep talk = to a minimum. Don't dwell on problems in the music, but rather approach them from an improvement standpoint, pointing out not how they are wrong, but = how they can be better.   Good luck. Also, remember to challenge your choir with music. Doing = only music that is easy and comfortable for them is boring, whether they = realize it or not.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_c0.1aeb9cd6.28da2fe8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Susan, <BR>I've never directed a choir (in 35 years) that liked warm-up = exercises. &nbsp;I must confess that, as a singer, I don't like them = either. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think it's critical for the choir to rehearse = the hymns for Sunday, and they can be used for warm up. <BR> <BR>Take one phrase of a hymn and have them sing the melody using a vowel = sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;Repeat this several times, raising the key by = half-steps and perhaps changing the vowel sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;After several = times through the phrase, have the choir sing one stanza of the the hymn = in unison and then one in parts. &nbsp;An additional stanza could be added = reversing the soprano and tenor lines for a descant. <BR> <BR>Then go to the anthem for Sunday, and then perhaps another anthem. <BR> <BR>Then rehearse another hymn using the above method. &nbsp;&nbsp;Singing = on vowels will relax their voices and refocus their attention on blend. <BR> <BR>Rehearse another anthem. &nbsp;To cover more anthems, rehearse only = the more difficult parts of them, gradually increasing the amount of the = anthem rehearsed as its "time" draws closer. <BR> <BR>One very important thing (and I add this as a chorister) is to keep = talk to a minimum. &nbsp;&nbsp;Don't dwell on problems in the music, but = rather approach them from an improvement standpoint, pointing out not how = they are wrong, but how they can be better. <BR> <BR>Good luck. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, remember to challenge your choir with = music. &nbsp;&nbsp;Doing only music that is easy and comfortable for them = is boring, whether they realize it or not. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_c0.1aeb9cd6.28da2fe8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: choir practices From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:37:05 EDT     --part1_10.12b0dfd8.28da31c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Susan, In addition, your could learn alot and have a great form for questions and =   support if you join anglican-music@list.stsams.org . Just sent an = e-mail to anglican-music-request@list.stsams.org   It's a wonderful group of people.     Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_10.12b0dfd8.28da31c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Susan, <BR>In addition, your could learn alot and have a great form for questions = and support if you join anglican-music@list.stsams.org . = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just sent an e-mail to <BR>anglican-music-request@list.stsams.org <BR> <BR>It's a wonderful group of people. <BR> <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_10.12b0dfd8.28da31c1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Proselytizing From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:39:17 -0700   I KNOW! Somebody put bad LSD in the water at Yale while Robertson was there (evil grin).   Bud-by-the-Beach   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > Robertson is, embarrassingly, a Yale law school graduate.... > > G-d > only KNOWS what Robertson is ... confused, at best? > > Good post, Sebastian! > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Proselytizing From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:43:14 EDT   The two Americans on trial in Afghanistan are members of a church in my = home town. They are indeed fundamental literalist from all indication and hold =   membership in Antioch Community Church in Waco, Texas. Both are graduates = of Baylor University. They are among eight Christians being held by the = Taliban and were on trial for Christian activities and evangelizing at the time of =   last week's attack. The other "hostages" of the Taliban include four = Germans and two Australians.   If anyone has questions regarding the two young American women, contact me =   off list and I will attempt to provide answers. I am not a member of = their church but am fairly familiar with their circumstances due to our common = city of residence,   I will not repond to inquiries on list for reasons that should be = apparent. Furthermore, the subject is not organ-related.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts        
(back) Subject: Re: Crude Comments From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:41:42 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Stanley:   The kind of obscenne remarks below go beyond just being somewhat crude. The type of remarks posted are in no way whatsoever appropriate to appear in print in this or any other medium under any circumstances.   If the question of free speech comes up, it is absolutely riduculous for anyone to assume that free speech "rights" give him the right to say anything he pleases no matter who is offended. Even here in America, we do NOT have the right to do anything we please. Surprisingly to such people, I and other morally upright people have the right not to be bombarded with such obscene dribble.   PLEASE -- let's drop the subject.   D. Keith Morgan --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > > > douglas morgan wrote: > > > > Now we have crossed the line and gone past the > point > > of no return. It's time to drop this subject and > get > > on with the business of organs and music. > > > > D. Keith Morgan > > Aw shucks. shoot! and the ultimate '4Q'.. > We're all crude here at times - at least I hope so > among friends. > > Tell me about St. Patrick's and the Brooklyn > Paramount, in that order. > > signed, > S. Joseph Lowkis > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/  
(back) Subject: Re: choir practices (LONG) From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:18:13 EDT   bud, thanks for these. they are of great help to me too. merry   In a message dated Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:09:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > Dear Susan, > > Since you are in an Episcopal Church, first of all, join the Royal = School of > Church Music in America ... they have all manner of "how-to" books for = the > amateur choir director. > > http://www.rscmamerica.org/ > > Then get yourself a copy of "The Episcopal Musician's Handbook" from The = Living > Church Foundation, if you don't already have one. It's a GOLD MINE of = all KINDS > of information. > > http://www.livingchurch.org/default.asp > > I inherited a choir similar to yours when I came to St. Matthew's. There = was a > forty-five minute rehearsal before Mass on Sunday, no week-day = rehearsal, and > "anthems" consisted of hymns sung from the Hymnal. > > The RECTOR turned things around as much as anyone. He went to the choir = and > said, "we are GOING to have a TWO-hour rehearsal on a week-day ... pick = the > day." He was also very specific and very adamant about the changes he = wanted in > the service music. > > At present, we rehearse from 7-9:30 pm on Thursday, with a = fifteen-minute > break, and from 8:15-8:45 am on Sunday. > > If people consistently come late, then move the rehearsal back a = half-hour. > > We at least LOOK at the hymns for Sunday; if one's unfamiliar, or there = are one > or more verses printed underneath the music, we sing those. > > That passes for a warm-up for us ... or I begin with a unison chant, if = all the > hymns are familiar. In my opinion, warm-up EXERCISES aren't a sword = worth > falling upon. If they don't want to do them, don't do them. > > If they say their voices are shot after only an hour, they're not = singing > correctly. NEVER allow them to sing above mp+ in rehearsal. > > Given the kind of music we do, I allow my choir to sing forte in SERVICE = twice > a year: Christmas and Easter. > > "If you can't hear all four parts around you, you're singing too LOUD." > > If you rehearse in a choir room, "circle the wagons" and have them in a = full > circle around you and the piano. > > Test their vocal ranges, section by section ... have all the sopranos = stand and > sing a phrase of a familiar hymn ... move it up by half-steps and tell = them to > sit down when it becomes uncomfortable ... then the altos, and so forth. = You > may discover that you're doing things that are simply beyond their = ranges. > > I presume you use the 1980 Episcopal Hymnal ... it's somewhat better = than the > 1940 as to the pitches of things, but some things are still too high for = the > average congregation/choir. > > If your organ has a transposer, simply take things DOWN a half-step or a = whole > step, BUT DON'T TELL THE CHOIR (grin) ... some prima donna / primo uomo = is > bound to complain that it confuses her/him. > > Mine are used to me transposing things all over the lot ... I write all = the > Gregorian chants in no sharps or flats and then put them wherever they = need to > be ... so they don't mind. > > If I want to change the pitch of something in rehearsal, I simply play = handfuls > of notes and say, "forget that pitch," and then give the pitch in the = new key. > > CHALLENGE THEM. If they're BORED, they WILL lose interest after an hour. > > SATB isn't the be-all and end-all. If you don't have four balanced = parts, do > SAB, 2-part, or unison. > > There's a wonderful series of anthem books called "Sing Joyfully" edited = by > Mason Martens, and published by Walton Music Corp. ... Vol. 1 is unison, = Vol. 2 > is 2-part, Vol. 3 is 3-part, Vol. 4 is 4-part. All are solid classical = pieces; > none are falling-off-a-log easy. > > Other SAB books I use constantly are "Sing For Joy", and "The SAB Choir = Goes > for Baroque", both edited by Paul Thomas (Concordia). "Make A Joyful = Noise, > edited by Walter Ehret (Shawnee) has a lot of interesting 18th century = Moravian > things in it. "Sing In Exultation" (2 vols.), edited by Gladys Pitcher = and > published by Willis Music in Cincinnati is probably out of print, but you > should be able to find it on Interlibrary Loan ... those two books are a > TREASURY of all the old Anglican warhorses in decent SAB arrangements. > > Unison and two-part -- the Morning Star Choir Books (1-2-3), also edited = by > Thomas (Concordia). Oxford Easy Anthems also has lots of good unison, = 2-part > and 3-part anthems. > > One technique I used to get them to take choir seriously was to have a = REAL > anthem EVERY Sunday, whether unison, two-part, three-part or SATB. But = it had > to be an ANTHEM, not a hymn with interludes. And we SANG it, come what = may. > After a while, they learned they NEEDED to be there, and on TIME. > > PLAN your rehearsals ... sing/play through every vocal part of every = piece > you're going to rehearse. Mark ALL the pitfalls in your score ... > pronunciation, odd intervals, places they're likely to breathe when they > shouldn't, sudden changes in dynamics, etc. Then go through the pieces = one at > a time with the choir and give THEM the marks BEFORE you begin them, so = you > don't have to stop every measure or two. > > Unless they're SUPER sight-readers, don't waste time with an initial > run-through ... commence straight away rehearsing the parts, first one = at a > time, then two at a time in all the possible combinations (S+A, S+T, S+B = and so > forth), then three, and FINALLY four. A piece rehearsed methodically = like that > will STICK ... they'll remember it when you pull it out NEXT year. > > Put the responsibility for accurate singing on THEM. Sometimes I have = mine sing > the COUNTING, rather than the words. > > Since I'm organist-choirmaster, we have to mark EVERYTHING in rehearsal = ... I > only give the occasional attack and/or cut-off in service. Before I came = to St. > Matthew's, they had a separate organist and director, and were used to = being > spoon-fed every cue. After some initial whining, they got over THAT = (grin). > Now, I use one of the chanters for a time-beater / cue giver when = necessary. > > ALWAYS put the most challenging piece first or second on your = music-list, when > they're still fresh. I often leave the hymns (if we need to do them) for = LAST. > I usually do the anthem for Sunday first, then a section of something = REALLY > hard next ... right now we're working on difficult anthems for = Christmas, the > dedication of our new church, and Easter (!), a section at a time. > > Creating a spirit of dedication and professionalism in the choir takes = longer, > and it's hard to put into words how to do THAT. > > One way is to have folders, notebooks, and hymnals for each choir = member, and > cubbies to keep them in. I have my people put their names on EVERYTHING, = so > that they always use the same copies. > > I post the anthems for a season; then beside it I post a large calendar = sheet; > my people sign out if they're going to be gone on a given Sunday or = Thursday. > > The more organized you LOOK, the more organized they will BE. > > My desk at home may be total CHAOS, but when I walk into that rehearsal, = I know > EXACTLY what I'm going to do, and the allotted time for each item. I've = worked > with my group long enough that I pretty much know how long a run-through = of > parts, etc. is going to take for each piece, but in the beginning I = wrote out a > schedule. > > SOCIALIZE. That's something I have difficulty getting my choir to do, = because > the average commute is 30-45 minutes each way. But choir parties are = great > morale-builders. > > It's OK to run a choir by consensus, once you've arrived at a consensus, = but > it's still necessary to point out that choir-directing and choir-singing = ISN'T > a democracy. YOU'RE the boss; the ultimate decisions are YOURS to make. = That > was hard for me when I was young; now that I'm old and scary it's easy = as pie > (grin). It has to be done tactfully, but it has to be done. > > Good luck! > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Crude Comments From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:19:52 -0400   Dear D. Keith, Learn to spell "obscene" luv, S. Joseph   and the matter is Closed.   douglas morgan wrote: > > Dear Stanley: > > The kind of obscenne remarks below go beyond just > being somewhat crude. The type of remarks posted are > in no way whatsoever appropriate to appear in print in > this or any other medium under any circumstances. > > If the question of free speech comes up, it is > absolutely riduculous for anyone to assume that free > speech "rights" give him the right to say anything he > pleases no matter who is offended. Even here in > America, we do NOT have the right to do anything we > please. Surprisingly to such people, I and other > morally upright people have the right not to be > bombarded with such obscene dribble. > > PLEASE -- let's drop the subject. > > D. Keith Morgan > --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > > > > > > douglas morgan wrote: > > > > > > Now we have crossed the line and gone past the > > point > > > of no return. It's time to drop this subject and > > get > > > on with the business of organs and music. > > > > > > D. Keith Morgan > > > > Aw shucks. shoot! and the ultimate '4Q'.. > > We're all crude here at times - at least I hope so > > among friends. > > > > Tell me about St. Patrick's and the Brooklyn > > Paramount, in that order. > > > > signed, > > S. Joseph Lowkis > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: hymnal supplement suggestions (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:16:26 -0700   Lacking anything better to do (grin), I decided to do some work on the Hymnal Supplement we're thinking about doing.   The Supplement is intended as a supplement to the Episcopal Hymnal 1940, so I'm looking for things that AREN'T in the 1940, principally additional hymns for the seasons (particularly Lent, Passiontide and Easter), saints' days, and sacraments (particularly penance, communion, and anointing).   The organization will be the same as the English Hymnal: liturgical Office Hymns first, followed by the others in alphabetical order within each category. Like the Chicago diocesan supplement, it will pick up with #802, the first number following the supplement that's already bound into the 1940.   If anybody has any suggestions for texts or tunes, I'd be happy to have them. I'd PREFER they be in the public domain, but I'm sure we'll tackle the copyright tangle at some point, as I know I want to include things like "Crucifer" and "Union Seminary".   This may seem like re-inventing the wheel, but we can't use The Hymnal 1982, and the focus is somewhat different in any case. The emphasis is on the liturgical Office Hymns missing from the 1940, and a LOT more celebratory hymns for the Eucharist, along with the Prayer-Book Saints' Days of the (old) Kalendar.   I've already got most of the "moldy oldies" ... things that were in The Hymnal 1916, etc. ... and the good things that were added to The Hymnal 1982 (if I can secure the copyrights) ... I'm looking for things BEYOND that, particularly in the categories I mentioned. And yes, I AM open to GOOD early American and Gospel hymns (grin).   Thanks for your help!   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach    
(back) Subject: Re:More Resultants (was32 ft Resultants (correction)) From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:34:04 +0100   > "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > If it was only a trick of my ears, then the building wouldn't > > have shook the way it used to, especially from about EEEE down. It was = a > > stunning sound, far more effective than the present pathetic weak 32ft > > Bourdon - which, incidentally, was made by a large-scale Open Wood = 16ft > > being stoppered and cut-up slightly     Hmm - thinks -- there is probably more to this than meets the eye.   One factor may be that the frequency response of ones hearing is very dependent on the sound level. At low levels and very low frequencies ones aural response is almost zero. Hence the general ineffectiveness of 32 ft Bourdons unless they actually shake the floor and communicate by feeling. = A loud 32 ft stop with few harmonics (eg a hefty Diaphone) you should hear because at high levels ones hearing sensitivity is not too far from its mid-range value. A 32 ft reed you will 'hear' in any case because you can hear the = harmonics and can then infer the fundamental.   That favourite Theatre Organ combination Tibia 4' + 2/2.3' is another practical use for resultants but at more amenable frequencies. There is no = 8 ft fundamental, yet this is the pitch the listener hears, albeit highly coloured. There are just the second and third harmonics, the 8 ft is 'inferred'. BTW, if you play the 4' and 2.2/3' separately, then together, they just don't go back together again straight away - the ear remembers they were separate and you have to wait a few moments to get the = fundamental back again. Fascinating stuff !!   I feel another sound clip coming on !   Click the link 8 ft resultant clip. - Solo - Tibia 4'+2.2/3', Accomp - Strings 8. Pedal = - Bourdon 16+8 (Bank/Patch 22/79, 23/60, 23/114). Any speakers should do. www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/amgrace.mp3   Bruce Miles   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk    
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:14:34 EDT   At our company, we have disabled the ability to use AOL on any of our work = stations. One of our employees downloaded AOL, before we turned it off at = the firewall, and damaged the entire IP stack on a Novell file server. AOL = 6.0 software is dangerous in my opinion and I would not advise loading it = on any computer that is connected to a network or performs any functions = other than running AOL exclusively.   In a message dated 09/18/2001 10:19:51 AM Central Daylight Time, chercapa@enter.net writes:   << To the list, Anyone who believes that hype being broadcast on tv channels about = AOL being easy to operate has not been bumped thousands of times, had their computer screwed up by AOL and had the AOL techs say that its a glitch = that they are working on.I wound up with my password installed under the AOL icon. It's only a glitch said the AOL tech. Paul >> Paul, I have had the same problems with AOL. They had me believing that I was = the only person in the world having this problem. I am about ready to change providers. When I downloaded AOL 6.0 my computer had a nervous = breakdown!.   Later, Phil L.    
(back) Subject: Re: Proselytizing From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:36:29 -0400   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I KNOW! Somebody put bad LSD in the water at Yale while Robertson was > there (evil grin). > > Bud-by-the-Beach   You mean there really is good LSD and bad LSD Bud??? Wow, that sure = explains a lot. I thought the cockroaches coming from Robertson's mouth were = real!!! (eviler grin)   Mike-by-the Water-Cooler